Avi Garcia not extended QO - now a Free Agent 11/5/21

[brewmann04]

Lets hope he can continue to hit like this for the rest of the season, it will sure help the Crew going into the Playoffs.

[rickh150]

Plate appearances at 314….

[rickh150]

Plate appearances at 314….

[Jopal78]

Even if it becomes a mutual option; I’m not so sure a corner outfielder coming off a .782 OPS declines a 12 million dollar guarantee. It is only because Milwaukee’s other hitters are so bad that his numbers seem better than mediocre.

[MrTPlush]

Even if it becomes a mutual option; I’m not so sure a corner outfielder coming off a .782 OPS declines a 12 million dollar guarantee. It is only because Milwaukee’s other hitters are so bad that his numbers seem better than mediocre.

 

He gets the $2mil buyout regardless of who declines it….so he would only need $10mil to match what he would get accepting (and the Brewers also accepted).

 

Guessing he’s probably takes that risk with the chance to get a multi year contract.

[Lathund]

I don't think Avi is a Brewer in 2022. If he doesn't decline the option, Brewers very well might (Or trade him). Not that he wouldn't be worth a $10m 1-year commitment, but more looking at the rest of the outfield. Yelich and Cain are under contract still. JBJ is unlikely to opt out (And probably unlikely to be released too). And Taylor will be out of options. Taylor looks like a fairly similar player to Garcia in many ways, going with him in that starting role isn't a big drop-off and saves you $9.5m. And you can then go with an optionable 5th OF or an INF/OF type for that roster spot.

 

And I think there's a decent chance Garcia declines it too. 109 wRC+ this year (112 over the last 5 years), plays average-ish defense in RF, can play CF when needed, still only 30 with no real health concerns. I think he'll feel pretty good about beating the $10m that'd be left.

[MrTPlush]

I figure there is a good chance the Brewers will decline the option and not completely close the door. $10mil is a big chunk of money to be dropping on a very average player before FA even starts. They could always circle back after FA heats up and grab him if they want. If we decline his option and then lose out on him are we really going to be that heartbroken? We can find an average corner OFer well into FA if we need one.

[bork]

Does the chance for a labor dispute in the off season affect some of these decisions? Do guys take the sure thing if they're not sure if teams will be able to make any offers during much of the offseason?

[Jopal78]

Even if it becomes a mutual option; I’m not so sure a corner outfielder coming off a .782 OPS declines a 12 million dollar guarantee. It is only because Milwaukee’s other hitters are so bad that his numbers seem better than mediocre.

 

He gets the $2mil buyout regardless of who declines it….so he would only need $10mil to match what he would get accepting (and the Brewers also accepted).

 

Guessing he’s probably takes that risk with the chance to get a multi year contract.

 

Another way to look at it is, if Garcia and the Brewers each exercise their option, he gets a 12 million dollar guarantee for 2022. If he declines or the Brewers decline he gets the 2 million dollars, but then will be going out to find employment in a crowded market of players with similar skill sets.

 

In fact, similar players like Joc Pederson, Mark Canha, Corey Dickerson, Eddie Rosario, Kyle Schwarber all of whom made less than 12 million in 2021 will be free agents; not to mention aging but more accomplished outfield free agents like McCutcheon, Tommy Pham etc. Short of an extended hot streak to boost his numbers, I'm not sure Avi Garcia gets a multi-year deal from another club, nor that he tops 10-12 million dollars in pay for the 2022 season.

 

Time will tell, but historically 2nd tier free agents in their 30s haven't done very well for themselves the last few offseasons.

[brewcrewdue80]

We could pick up the option and trade him. If he has a successful 2nd half. 1 year over that competition of FA similarities could fit a team's roster needs more than potential multi-yr deals. Or less talented 1yr FA deals.

If it becomes mutual and Avi declines I don't have a problem with it. Avi reminds me of Perez at the plate. Eager to swing at 1st pitches even if they are 6" out of the zone because its a big moment. Runs in to some big hits more often, and you're not upset with his defense overall. But in the end he's your basic Starter OF with some downside.

[Simba2020]

From my standpoint, I'd be kind of reluctant to pick up the option because he's consistently been an every other year type of player. Never hit higher than .245 in an even year. While that might not be a consideration to most people and likely not the Brewers, it would still make he hesitate.

 

If the Brewers exercise the option, Avis' decision might come down to how much he enjoys playing here. He likely would get either a 1 or 2 year deal at roughly the same money he's making now ($10 million). So does he feel like gambling on trying to get the 2-year deal or just take the one year option? Second half will go a long way in answering that question.

[rickh150]

Odds are he picks up enough at bats and the option will be mutual. I doubt that he’ll be back. If he does well in the 2nd half, he’ll leave. If he doesn’t, the Brewers will use the $ elsewhere.

[DHonks]

From my standpoint, I'd be kind of reluctant to pick up the option because he's consistently been an every other year type of player. Never hit higher than .245 in an even year. While that might not be a consideration to most people and likely not the Brewers, it would still make he hesitate.

 

If the Brewers exercise the option, Avis' decision might come down to how much he enjoys playing here. He likely would get either a 1 or 2 year deal at roughly the same money he's making now ($10 million). So does he feel like gambling on trying to get the 2-year deal or just take the one year option? Second half will go a long way in answering that question.

 

He’s clearly in tremendous shape this year. One can only assume that he has learned some lessons and keep this going forward

[djoctagone]

will sammon reports that the 2022 option becomes mutual if garcía amasses 1050 plate appearances in 2020 and 2021. garcía had around 550 prorated plate appearances last season, so if he gets around 500 plate appearances this year, it turns into a mutual option.

 

he has 183 plate appearances in 53 team games played.

392 plate appearances in 112 team games played.

[djoctagone]

415 plate appearances in 122 team games played.

 

conceivable to get 85 more plate appearances in the next 40 games? barring injury, seems like a lock, which will turn the 2022 option into a mutual option.

[Hopper]

I never thought I'd say it, but I hope he is back in 2022.

If it is at all possible to get rid of JBJ, or even Cain, I'd be all for it.

LF Yelich, CF Cain/Taylor, RF Garcia.

Taylor can fill any off days for the other guys.

[roadcrew3]

After this season, Avi is going to decline his side of the option if I had to guess. This is the tweet from Heyman when the deal was originally signed.

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

Avisail Garcia turned down 3 year deals with Brewers and elsewhere due to the expiring basic agreement in 2 years and the chance to raise the AAV afterward. Betting on himself #brewers

 

Will be interesting to see what he can garner on the open market. I would be surprised to see him back with the Brewers if he's going to be bringing in $15+ AAV. Next year the outfield is probably the biggest question mark for the team. I expect Stearns to somehow offload one of JBJ or Cain this offseason and am interested to see how he fills the rest. Taylor to me is a solid bat off the bench and can step in full time when injuries occur, but not sure he is a guy you want to go into the season with as your #1.

[gebc1997]

Do we know whether, if Garcia does not exercise his part of the mutual option, the Brewers can still offer him a qualifying offer??

[adambr2]

A qualifying offer is almost 20M on a 1 year deal. I can't see us offering Garcia that even if we were able.

[DHonks]

Right now I would assume the qualifying offers go away. That’s probably number one on the list of demands for players. Really major league baseball should go with a system more like the NFL where they don’t punish a team for signing people but rather they compensate a team for losing people.

[MrTPlush]

The QO system could go, but I really doubt that is a big issue for players.

 

We aren't offering a QO to Garcia though, he would happily skip all the way to the bank.

[umphrey]

I would not offer Avi more than 2 years. Too many questions about work ethic for a long contract.

[djoctagone]

garcía needs only 67 more plate appearances for his option to turn into a mutual option.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I would not offer Avi more than 2 years. Too many questions about work ethic for a long contract.

 

Who is questioning his work ethic? I'm not sure I've seen anything like that anywhere.

[Outlander]

This past year he was the Brewers best shape of his life story. It isn't fair to say he has poor work ethic but will he keep the high level he was at this year, only time will tell.