Avi Garcia not extended QO - now a Free Agent 11/5/21

[rickh150]

I think alot of people forget how hobbled braun was in LF at the end of last season...giving him more time at 1st limits how much running he does, which h at this point in his career is a good thing.

 

 

So he plays there 4 or 5 times a week? What is the plan with Braun?

[liveforoctober]

I think alot of people forget how hobbled braun was in LF at the end of last season...giving him more time at 1st limits how much running he does, which h at this point in his career is a good thing.

 

 

So he plays there 4 or 5 times a week? What is the plan with Braun?

 

I'm not certain there needs to be a plan. We now have 4 capable bodies to man 3 outfield spots. 3 of those guys have an injury history and/or are coming off of an injury riddled season. The other broke his knee cap within the last 4 months. I'm sure Braun will be considered at 1st base if we can't find a suitable RH platoon option. BUT even if not, over course of 162 games, I am betting one of those 4 OF will be needing or scheduled to have a day off almost every day. Even Gamel, who I don't anticipate starting often, is going to get a lot of playing time as a final 2 inning sub for Cain or whoever is in LF that day.

 

In the NBA there is so much talk these days of 'load management'. I have a hunch Counsell is about to 'load manage' to heck out of his 2019 outfield. Yelich will likely only get that treatment for the first few weeks/months .. but nonetheless.

[3and2Fastball]

Who cares where Braun wants to play or how often? He’s going to be 36 years old. The last time he played 150+ games was 2012. He’ll play where Counsell tells him to play...

[pacopete4]

Who cares where Braun wants to play or how often? He’s going to be 36 years old. The last time he played 150+ games was 2012. He’ll play where Counsell tells him to play...

 

Yes, who cares what Braun wants... He's only moved everywhere they've ever asked him to and has said that he would be open to other positions to help the team. BTW, he played in 140+ games last year and started like 115 while being their 3rd best bat, but yes, screw Braun.

[Underachiever]

Earlier, someone mentioned Yelich's back. What are the details of that? It would seem to me that the real issue with a bad back is swinging the bat, not running in the outfield. So would first base actually be that much of a relief as long as he was still taking 4-5 ABs a game?

[rickh150]

Who cares where Braun wants to play or how often? He’s going to be 36 years old. The last time he played 150+ games was 2012. He’ll play where Counsell tells him to play...

 

Yes, who cares what Braun wants... He's only moved everywhere they've ever asked him to and has said that he would be open to other positions to help the team. BTW, he played in 140+ games last year and started like 115 while being their 3rd best bat, but yes, screw Braun.

 

Counsell cares, I would think. He wants to keep the locker room culture similar to these last two or three years. Braun ultimately will be getting less playing time than what he is used to getting, even with all his off days. Braun moved to 1B to get MORE playing time. Now he will be moving positions and getting even less, presumably. It's not an issue now, or as far as we know, but it will be interesting to see how this develops.

[xisxisxis]

I make comments here that as a boss/manager of that person I would never make to the person. I am sure Counsell will approach Braun in the correct way to make sure Braun is an active part of the decision to play at _______ position.

[LouisEly]

Braun ultimately will be getting less playing time than what he is used to getting, even with all his off days. Braun moved to 1B to get MORE playing time. Now he will be moving positions and getting even less, presumably. It's not an issue now, or as far as we know, but it will be interesting to see how this develops.

Maybe I'm not following you on this, but why should Braun be getting less playing time even with his off days? He's a much better hitter than Garcia.

 

I think this is more about Yelich - he's missed time with a bad back and is coming off of a fractured knee cap. I think Yelich is the one who will be getting more off days to take care of his back and put less stress on his knee.

[3and2Fastball]

Ultimately it won’t matter if the Brewers don’t make the playoffs, but if they do then you want Braun as close to healthy at the end of the season as possible. Being able to rest him extra is key to that. Braun might be way more valuable in October if he’s only played 90-100 games in the 2020 season...

 

Braun is a proven clutch veteran postseason bat. Ideally you want him as close to 100% as you can have him during the games he’s most valuable (vs LHP in the regular season and occasional other games, and starting every postseason game)

[Fear The Chorizo]

I think alot of people forget how hobbled braun was in LF at the end of last season...giving him more time at 1st limits how much running he does, which h at this point in his career is a good thing.

 

 

So he plays there 4 or 5 times a week? What is the plan with Braun?

 

Start him 4 or 5 times a week, either at 1B or LF - keep him fresh with an off day each week but the roster has flexibility to stretch his days off a bit more if he is hitting well and feeling good. IMO at this stage in his career it would be foolish to expect anything more from him or ride him harder, as nagging injuries/aches will crop up and wind up causing his production to dip even if he isn't wounded enough to wind up on the IL.

 

This is also all assuming every single player that could potentially play corner OF or 1B stays healthy all year long - which likely won't be the case. Why is this so hard?

[stoutdude04]

Bold take(guess) If Garcia stays healthy he has a better season than Castellanos.

[JosephC]

I think alot of people forget how hobbled braun was in LF at the end of last season...giving him more time at 1st limits how much running he does, which h at this point in his career is a good thing.

 

 

So he plays there 4 or 5 times a week? What is the plan with Braun?

 

Will Braun become the first LF/1B utility man in the history of MLB?

[Roderick]

I think alot of people forget how hobbled braun was in LF at the end of last season...giving him more time at 1st limits how much running he does, which h at this point in his career is a good thing.

 

It would seem to me, that there would be more diving at 1B in total over a season. That would seem to be a more injury prone exercise than running in the OF, especially for a back-tweaking-injury-prone player.

 

But I really don't know for sure that the act of diving for a grounder is a more injury prone movement.

[ReverendBrewmeister]

I think alot of people forget how hobbled braun was in LF at the end of last season...giving him more time at 1st limits how much running he does, which h at this point in his career is a good thing.

 

 

So he plays there 4 or 5 times a week? What is the plan with Braun?

 

Will Braun become the first LF/1B utility man in the history of MLB?

 

Stan Musial made a pretty good career of being an outfielder/first baseman. Of course, that's shooting a bit high.

[RollieTime]

Love the signing of Garcia! I think he’s going to be one of the most underrated signings of the entire offseason across MLB. I assume Yelich will move back over to left with Garcia seeing the majority of his time in right field and possibly making 10 or so starts in center during the year. If all goes well, Braun will probably start around 50 games at first and 60 games in left field.

 

I could see Garcia being a very good 5 or 6 hole hitter for us while hitting .290 or so with 25-28 homers. He is going to be a very good addition to our lineup.

 

Him turning down a guaranteed third year is interesting in that he feels he is still improving as a player. Plus, it gives him motivation to produce well to get a large future payday. Not that players aren’t going to do their best all the time, but him betting on himself is going to make him work harder and give him that little extra motivation to perform well knowing that he’s playing for a big future contract.

[RollieTime]

Love the signing of Garcia! I think he’s going to be one of the most underrated signings of the entire offseason across MLB. I assume Yelich will move back over to left with Garcia seeing the majority of his time in right field and possibly making 10 or so starts in center during the year. If all goes well, Braun will probably start around 50 games at first and 60 games in left field.

 

I could see Garcia being a very good 5 or 6 hole hitter for us while hitting .290 or so with 25-28 homers. He is going to be a very good addition to our lineup.

 

Him turning down a guaranteed third year is interesting in that he feels he is still improving as a player. Plus, it gives him motivation to produce well to get a large future payday. Not that players aren’t going to do their best all the time, but him betting on himself is going to make him work harder and give him that little extra motivation to perform well knowing that he’s playing for a big future contract.

[Oxy]

Love the signing of Garcia! I think he’s going to be one of the most underrated signings of the entire offseason across MLB. I assume Yelich will move back over to left with Garcia seeing the majority of his time in right field and possibly making 10 or so starts in center during the year. If all goes well, Braun will probably start around 50 games at first and 60 games in left field.

 

I could see Garcia being a very good 5 or 6 hole hitter for us while hitting .290 or so with 25-28 homers. He is going to be a very good addition to our lineup.

 

Him turning down a guaranteed third year is interesting in that he feels he is still improving as a player. Plus, it gives him motivation to produce well to get a large future payday. Not that players aren’t going to do their best all the time, but him betting on himself is going to make him work harder and give him that little extra motivation to perform well knowing that he’s playing for a big future contract.

 

 

This gave me a chuckle.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=ronald+acuna+jogging+montage&rlz

[Oxy]

Love the signing of Garcia! I think he’s going to be one of the most underrated signings of the entire offseason across MLB. I assume Yelich will move back over to left with Garcia seeing the majority of his time in right field and possibly making 10 or so starts in center during the year. If all goes well, Braun will probably start around 50 games at first and 60 games in left field.

 

I could see Garcia being a very good 5 or 6 hole hitter for us while hitting .290 or so with 25-28 homers. He is going to be a very good addition to our lineup.

 

Him turning down a guaranteed third year is interesting in that he feels he is still improving as a player. Plus, it gives him motivation to produce well to get a large future payday. Not that players aren’t going to do their best all the time, but him betting on himself is going to make him work harder and give him that little extra motivation to perform well knowing that he’s playing for a big future contract.

 

 

This gave me a chuckle.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=ronald+acuna+jogging+montage&rlz

[anglotiger]

Not that players aren’t going to do their best all the time

 

I hate to bring up Gary Sheffield (when you're clearly blocking) but...

[anglotiger]

Not that players aren’t going to do their best all the time

 

I hate to bring up Gary Sheffield (when you're clearly blocking) but...

[Ennder]

The Brewers must value him as a breakout player.... They wouldn't spend this much on a multi-year deal for what he has done in a typical year so far, especially with other similar players in FA.

The injury issues with him are also concerning, especially since every outfielder we have has had injury issues last season, except Gamel.

 

He is 28 years old and his 3 year average in WAR is slightly over 2 and that includes a partial season. Stretch it out to 4 years and it is more like 1.6 WAR. If anything he is getting underpaid by what he has actually done.

[Ennder]

The Brewers must value him as a breakout player.... They wouldn't spend this much on a multi-year deal for what he has done in a typical year so far, especially with other similar players in FA.

The injury issues with him are also concerning, especially since every outfielder we have has had injury issues last season, except Gamel.

 

He is 28 years old and his 3 year average in WAR is slightly over 2 and that includes a partial season. Stretch it out to 4 years and it is more like 1.6 WAR. If anything he is getting underpaid by what he has actually done.

[djoctagone]

@BNightengale

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Avisail Garcia's two-year,$20 million guarantee with the #Brewers could turn into a three-year, $30 million contract. He gets a 500K signing bonus, $7M in 2020, $10M in 2021 with a $12M club option or $2M buyout in 2022. Its [sic] a mutual option if he has 550 plate appearances in 2021

 

I like this deal better now. Although it's tough to see the team picking up his option if he has fewer than 550 plate appearances in 2021.

will sammon reports that the 2022 option becomes mutual if garcía amasses 1050 plate appearances in 2020 and 2021. garcía had around 550 prorated plate appearances last season, so if he gets around 500 plate appearances this year, it turns into a mutual option.

 

garcía certainly got a lot of playing time in with injuries to lorenzo cain and christian yelich, and with an underperforming jackie bradley, jr.

 

he has 183 plate appearances in 53 team games played.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

He’s on pace to be roughly a 3 WAR player. My guess is he would decline his end of the option. Take his 2 mil. And then try to get another modestly long deal. Would rather him than Bradley though. Looks like he’s going to be around for a bit..

[MrTPlush]

If he continues to hit similar to how he has so far he is 99% declining the option.