Madison Bumgarner to the Dbacks, 5-years/$85M

[Brewcrewin07]

 

5-years/$85M

[Eye Black]

Huh, didn’t see that coming.

[homer]

80 - 90 million per Heyman

[pacopete4]

This is a good one for me. I did not want him anywhere near a Brewers uniform.

[homer]

85 million

[Brewcrewin07]

85 million...$15 million deferred.

 

[JimH5]

Good for them and good for him. I like that he stays in the NL West and gets to compete with the Dodgers.

[trwi7]

D’Backs are the hamsters of MLB.

[xisxisxis]

if he has a full no-trade deal then this is the best xmas present ever...

[reillymcshane]

That's a lot of years for MadBum. $17M is a lot too, but I expected something around that. But 5-years is a long time.

[Eye Black]

I’m going to predict that Robbie Ray gets traded this off-season. As the Diamondbacks showed with the Goldschmidt trade, they want to net something for their players on expiring contracts while trying to replenish the MLB team with talent.

[CheezWizHed]

D’Backs are the hamsters of MLB.

 

Wheels spinning and going nowhere?

[trwi7]

D’Backs are the hamsters of MLB.

 

Wheels spinning and going nowhere?

 

Bingo

[Brewcrewin07]

Guys...please...as much as people hate me posting in every thread about the Brewers payroll etc. It gets just as annoying seeing people post how much these big money deals are going to be regrettable. None of us know that. Just because a player might be older, and gets a lot of money doesn't mean the contract will be regrettable. If Bumgarner wins a cy young in those 5 years and the Dbacks win a world series, will they rgret it?? I highly doubt it, even if his last 3 years are terrible. I wouldn't as a Brewers fan, I know that much.

 

I honestly think some of it is envy in that the Brewers will never make these kinds of signings so everyone hopes they turn out bad for the team that does sign them, so they can feel better about the Brewers NOT signing someone like this.

 

I tend to look at these things with no regard to the $$, because i honestly feel you have to. Think about it, who is MORE likely(of course no guarantees) to be a better pitcher over the next three years..Madison Bumgarner, Gerritt Cole and Stephen Strasburg, or Brett Anderson, Josh Lindblom and Matt Lauer?? Who's numbers would benefit the Brewers more in all likelihood?? That's how I look at these things.

[Brewcrewin07]

Heyman thinks the deal is quite reasonable...can't say i disagree in comparison..

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

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9m

Bumgarner 85M deal seems quite reasonable, especially considering his incredible October record, and especially in this market with Wheeler getting 33M more. 1st on MB: @JeffPassan

1st with 15M deferred: @Ken_Rosenthal

[brewerfan82]

Guys...please...as much as people hate me posting in every thread about the Brewers payroll etc. It gets just as annoying seeing people post how much these big money deals are going to be regrettable. None of us know that. Just because a player might be older, and gets a lot of money doesn't mean the contract will be regrettable. If Bumgarner wins a cy young in those 5 years and the Dbacks win a world series, will they rgret it?? I highly doubt it, even if his last 3 years are terrible. I wouldn't as a Brewers fan, I know that much.

 

I honestly think some of it is envy in that the Brewers will never make these kinds of signings so everyone hopes they turn out bad for the team that does sign them, so they can feel better about the Brewers NOT signing someone like this.

 

I tend to look at these things with no regard to the $$, because i honestly feel you have to. Think about it, who is MORE likely(of course no guarantees) to be a better pitcher over the next three years..Madison Bumgarner, Gerritt Cole and Stephen Strasburg, or Brett Anderson, Josh Lindblom and Matt Lauer?? Who's numbers would benefit the Brewers more in all likelihood?? That's how I look at these things.

I'm curious what your house, car, and bank account look like.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Guys...please...as much as people hate me posting in every thread about the Brewers payroll etc. It gets just as annoying seeing people post how much these big money deals are going to be regrettable. None of us know that. Just because a player might be older, and gets a lot of money doesn't mean the contract will be regrettable. If Bumgarner wins a cy young in those 5 years and the Dbacks win a world series, will they rgret it?? I highly doubt it, even if his last 3 years are terrible. I wouldn't as a Brewers fan, I know that much.

 

I honestly think some of it is envy in that the Brewers will never make these kinds of signings so everyone hopes they turn out bad for the team that does sign them, so they can feel better about the Brewers NOT signing someone like this.

 

I tend to look at these things with no regard to the $$, because i honestly feel you have to. Think about it, who is MORE likely(of course no guarantees) to be a better pitcher over the next three years..Madison Bumgarner, Gerritt Cole and Stephen Strasburg, or Brett Anderson, Josh Lindblom and Matt Lauer?? Who's numbers would benefit the Brewers more in all likelihood?? That's how I look at these things.

 

Nobody has said anything about this deal being regrettable. you're arguing with yourself to make a point. You've been asked by multiple mods to stop bringing this payroll argument to every thread you post in. Just in the last 2 hours you've derailed the Garcia thread, tried to derail the Kluber thread, and brought it here unabated. If you want to talk about the payroll, there are threads about payroll. Stop derailing every thread with this payroll rant.

[homer]

Guys...please...as much as people hate me posting in every thread about the Brewers payroll etc. It gets just as annoying seeing people post how much these big money deals are going to be regrettable. None of us know that. Just because a player might be older, and gets a lot of money doesn't mean the contract will be regrettable.

 

 

Most people here were on board when the Brewers signed Cain to a big deal.

[82brewcrew82]

Guys...please...as much as people hate me posting in every thread about the Brewers payroll etc. It gets just as annoying seeing people post how much these big money deals are going to be regrettable. None of us know that. Just because a player might be older, and gets a lot of money doesn't mean the contract will be regrettable. If Bumgarner wins a cy young in those 5 years and the Dbacks win a world series, will they rgret it?? I highly doubt it, even if his last 3 years are terrible. I wouldn't as a Brewers fan, I know that much.

 

I honestly think some of it is envy in that the Brewers will never make these kinds of signings so everyone hopes they turn out bad for the team that does sign them, so they can feel better about the Brewers NOT signing someone like this.

 

I tend to look at these things with no regard to the $$, because i honestly feel you have to. Think about it, who is MORE likely(of course no guarantees) to be a better pitcher over the next three years..Madison Bumgarner, Gerritt Cole and Stephen Strasburg, or Brett Anderson, Josh Lindblom and Matt Lauer?? Who's numbers would benefit the Brewers more in all likelihood?? That's how I look at these things.

Or it could be that a large number of them do, in fact, turn out horribly?

[xisxisxis]

Guys...please...as much as people hate me posting in every thread about the Brewers payroll etc. It gets just as annoying seeing people post how much these big money deals are going to be regrettable. None of us know that. Just because a player might be older, and gets a lot of money doesn't mean the contract will be regrettable. If Bumgarner wins a cy young in those 5 years and the Dbacks win a world series, will they rgret it?? I highly doubt it, even if his last 3 years are terrible. I wouldn't as a Brewers fan, I know that much.

MadBum has a ~.830 OPS against the last 2 years away from the best pitchers park in the majors. It would be stupid for Stearns to give away an $850M contract when you can get that level of production from 50% of the 1 year signees. It's not that they shouldn't spend the money ever, it's that they shouldn't spend it on a player who isn't worth it.

[Brewcrewin07]

Guys...please...as much as people hate me posting in every thread about the Brewers payroll etc. It gets just as annoying seeing people post how much these big money deals are going to be regrettable. None of us know that. Just because a player might be older, and gets a lot of money doesn't mean the contract will be regrettable. If Bumgarner wins a cy young in those 5 years and the Dbacks win a world series, will they rgret it?? I highly doubt it, even if his last 3 years are terrible. I wouldn't as a Brewers fan, I know that much.

 

I honestly think some of it is envy in that the Brewers will never make these kinds of signings so everyone hopes they turn out bad for the team that does sign them, so they can feel better about the Brewers NOT signing someone like this.

 

I tend to look at these things with no regard to the $$, because i honestly feel you have to. Think about it, who is MORE likely(of course no guarantees) to be a better pitcher over the next three years..Madison Bumgarner, Gerritt Cole and Stephen Strasburg, or Brett Anderson, Josh Lindblom and Matt Lauer?? Who's numbers would benefit the Brewers more in all likelihood?? That's how I look at these things.

 

Nobody has said anything about this deal being regrettable. you're arguing with yourself to make a point. You've been asked by multiple mods to stop bringing this payroll argument to every thread you post in. Just in the last 2 hours you've derailed the Garcia thread, tried to derail the Kluber thread, and brought it here unabated. If you want to talk about the payroll, there are threads about payroll. Stop derailing every thread with this payroll rant.

 

Not sure how this was anything about the Brewers payroll...but it's clear you don't like me for some reason. That's cool though man.

[Devinep]

While I hope the brewers do get a legit pitcher (Ryu, keuchel, etc) for the top part of the rotation, I really didn’t want it to be madbum. The guy is a tool so I wouldn’t like to root for him

[JimH5]

I think half the deals should turn out to be regrettable by the teams, and half the deals should be regrettable by the players. Then it would be a fair market. If every deal was great for every team, then the players didn't get enough.

[CheeseheadInQC]

Guys...please...as much as people hate me posting in every thread about the Brewers payroll etc. It gets just as annoying seeing people post how much these big money deals are going to be regrettable. None of us know that. Just because a player might be older, and gets a lot of money doesn't mean the contract will be regrettable. If Bumgarner wins a cy young in those 5 years and the Dbacks win a world series, will they rgret it?? I highly doubt it, even if his last 3 years are terrible. I wouldn't as a Brewers fan, I know that much.

 

I honestly think some of it is envy in that the Brewers will never make these kinds of signings so everyone hopes they turn out bad for the team that does sign them, so they can feel better about the Brewers NOT signing someone like this.

 

I tend to look at these things with no regard to the $$, because i honestly feel you have to. Think about it, who is MORE likely(of course no guarantees) to be a better pitcher over the next three years..Madison Bumgarner, Gerritt Cole and Stephen Strasburg, or Brett Anderson, Josh Lindblom and Matt Lauer?? Who's numbers would benefit the Brewers more in all likelihood?? That's how I look at these things.

 

The problem is the Brewers can't look at things with no regards to money. Resource allocation is a thing. And with Bumgarner there are reasons for people to be glad they didn't do this deal beyond the price, even beyond the fact that his act is pretty tiresome. His road splits have been close your eyes bad. If you believe that is the pitcher he would be in Milwaukee, it is best to steer clear. Even if you believe that he is just naturally better at home, it would be difficult to justify because the home stats will get worse moving to Milwaukee and you still would have the bad road splits.

 

Maybe he finds success outside of San Fran, but lumping him in with Cole and Strasburg seems like a mistake.

[adambr2]

Guys...please...as much as people hate me posting in every thread about the Brewers payroll etc. It gets just as annoying seeing people post how much these big money deals are going to be regrettable. None of us know that. Just because a player might be older, and gets a lot of money doesn't mean the contract will be regrettable. If Bumgarner wins a cy young in those 5 years and the Dbacks win a world series, will they rgret it?? I highly doubt it, even if his last 3 years are terrible. I wouldn't as a Brewers fan, I know that much.

MadBum has a ~.830 OPS against the last 2 years away from the best pitchers park in the majors. It would be stupid for Stearns to give away an $850M contract when you can get that level of production from 50% of the 1 year signees. It's not that they shouldn't spend the money ever, it's that they shouldn't spend it on a player who isn't worth it.

 

Correct! We should be very grateful that we have a GM who is not impulsive and doesn't simply throw money at a name because he has money to throw at a name.

 

Bumgarner hasn't been in the Cy Young conversation since 2016 and most likely won't be in one in the next 5. To question if a team will regret paying a guy if said player goes on to win a Cy Young and WS is a pretty silly hypothetical and could be applied to any pitcher who signs elsewhere.