Corey Kluber traded to The Texas Rangers for OF Delino DeShields Jr. and RHP Emmanuel Clase

[wallus]

Wow, I was told Cleveland wasn't dumping payroll.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Interested in seeing what they got for a return. I’m sure it’ll still be quite the haul.

 

Nope...Brewers couldn't have met or exceeded this??

 

 

They very easily could have. I assume that he had too many red flags for the Brewers to consider at this point, because the Indians practically gave him away if that is all the return is.

 

I’m guessing that Kluber had more red flags then Brett Anderson.

[RollieTime]

Apparently not...that's it, that's the deal

 

 

Probably a mix of the Indians wanting to shed payroll and them being very high on Clase. Similar to our deal with the Padres how they were pretty high on Grisham and seemed to overpay to get him.

[Devinep]

He isn’t really a brewers pitching target: he’s good

[brewers888]

Either Kluber is damaged goods or a lot of teams including the Brewers missed the boat. I think its pretty obvious that we are going to go into the 2020 season with a much lower payroll regardless of whether this was a move we should have made. If healthy lots of teams are going to be kicking themselves for not beating this completely underwhelming offer.

[PeaveyFury]

He isn’t really a brewers pitching target: he’s good

 

No, he's a fan pitching target: recognizable name who WAS good but probably won't be going forward.

[homer]

He's gonna be 34 in April. Two years might have been worth it depending on the return.

[areacodes]

Either Kluber is damaged goods or a lot of teams including the Brewers missed the boat. I think its pretty obvious that we are going to go into the 2020 season with a much lower payroll regardless of whether this was a move we should have made. If healthy lots of teams are going to be kicking themselves for not beating this completely underwhelming offer.

 

A lower payroll? It seems like that but it gives us a chance to add significantly at the deadline by taking on contracts.

 

A significantly lower payroll? I don’t know how anybody can say that with certainty. Still plenty of offseason left and time to add players - not to mention we’ve got 5 spots on the 40 man to fill still and players on there we could get rid of without hesitation. Did you see them signing Cain to his contract 2 years ago? What about Grandal last year?

[Devinep]

He isn’t really a brewers pitching target: he’s good

 

No, he's a fan pitching target: recognizable name who WAS good but probably won't be going forward.

 

No, he’s a pitcher who was hurt last year but was elite for years before then and is affordable. Unless his health is worse than is publicly known, or the Brewers actually sign a good pitcher, this was a missed opportunity. They have plenty of money and could use a top starter

[brewmann04]

just sign Ryu or Dallas and be done

[Brewcrewin07]

Either Kluber is damaged goods or a lot of teams including the Brewers missed the boat. I think its pretty obvious that we are going to go into the 2020 season with a much lower payroll regardless of whether this was a move we should have made. If healthy lots of teams are going to be kicking themselves for not beating this completely underwhelming offer.

 

A lower payroll? It seems like that but it gives us a chance to add significantly at the deadline by taking on contracts.

 

A significantly lower payroll? I don’t know how anybody can say that with certainty. Still plenty of offseason left and time to add players - not to mention we’ve got 5 spots on the 40 man to fill still and players on there we could get rid of without hesitation. Did you see them signing Cain to his contract 2 years ago? What about Grandal last year?

 

The difference is, there aren't really any players left worth giving $46 million too(to match last year's payroll), unless they sneak in and sign Donaldson and Castellanos. Without those two, handing out $46 million regardless of the number of players they sign yet, seems like severe overpays.

 

And if they don't add more impactful players before spring training then they have to this point, I doubt they will be anywhere near contention to add at the trade deadline and use the $$ that way. Seems 99.9% certain they ARE cutting payroll, which so many seemed intent they weren't going to do.

[areacodes]

He isn’t really a brewers pitching target: he’s good

 

No, he's a fan pitching target: recognizable name who WAS good but probably won't be going forward.

 

No, he’s a pitcher who was hurt last year but was elite for years before then and is affordable. Unless his health is worse than is publicly known, or the Brewers actually sign a good pitcher, this was a missed opportunity. They have plenty of money and could use a top starter

 

Based on the return, doesn’t this option seem likely?

[Devinep]

 

No, he’s a pitcher who was hurt last year but was elite for years before then and is affordable. Unless his health is worse than is publicly known, or the Brewers actually sign a good pitcher, this was a missed opportunity. They have plenty of money and could use a top starter

 

Based on the return, doesn’t this option seem likely?

 

Quite possibly, but unless the brewers actually use the money the have available, it wouldn’t make sense to pass. The reward is higher than the risk imo

[A Swing and A Drive]

just sign Ryu or Dallas and be done

 

Not happening.

 

Enjoy Brett Anderson.

[PeaveyFury]

 

Based on the return, doesn’t this option seem likely?

 

Bingo. I’m going to bet we hear about some sort of medical development/issue by or in spring training.

[SRB]

To make this trade more relevant for Scrappin' Stearns, the Indians just DFA'd utility guy Mike Freeman to make room on their 40-man roster. He might be worth a flier given our current options. Last season he was worth 1.0 fWAR in 75 games.

[BrewBalls]

The difference is, there aren't really any players left worth giving $46 million too(to match last year's payroll), unless they sneak in and sign Donaldson and Castellanos. Without those two, handing out $46 million regardless of the number of players they sign yet, seems like severe overpays.

 

And if they don't add more impactful players before spring training then they have to this point, I doubt they will be anywhere near contention to add at the trade deadline and use the $$ that way. Seems 99.9% certain they ARE cutting payroll, which so many seemed intent they weren't going to do.

We still need at least 3 starting caliber players which easily eats up $20-35MM depending on who they sign. Not to mention most GM’s hold onto some of their budgeted payroll for midseason trades/signings. For example if they sign Garcia ($8MM) and Todd Frazier ($7MM) and another starter ($6-10MM) they are down to roughly $23MM to spend. This is enough to add a couple players before the trade deadline due to injuries or to fortify our roster for a deep playoff run.

[BrewBalls]

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[BrewBalls]

To make this trade more relevant for Scrappin' Stearns, the Indians just DFA'd utility guy Mike Freeman to make room on their 40-man roster. He might be worth a flier given our current options. Last season he was worth 1.0 fWAR in 75 games.

I like the idea and we can never have enough utility IF to compete for a bench spot in ST

[pacopete4]

To make this trade more relevant for Scrappin' Stearns, the Indians just DFA'd utility guy Mike Freeman to make room on their 40-man roster. He might be worth a flier given our current options. Last season he was worth 1.0 fWAR in 75 games.

 

I agree. Could fill a utility role and a lefty bat.

[Ennder]

Interested in seeing what they got for a return. I’m sure it’ll still be quite the haul.

 

Nope...Brewers couldn't have met or exceeded this??

 

 

The teams have to match up in what they want. The Indians likely wanted major league ready talent since they are competing still so it couldn't just be prospects. I don't know what we have that fits the bill for them. It just isn't as simple as we could have beat that deal. This does seem like a very low return for pitching which is usually hard to get. Of course Kluber got hurt every time he tried to rehab last year so there is no guarantee he pitches even half a season for the Rangers.

[homer]

Had the Brewers given up something similar I'd have been ok with it. But I don't know what something similar would be in Cleveland wants an MLB ready position player. Corey Ray I guess?

[stalton]

I'm not going to lie. First time I saw this I thought it said, Corey Knebel to the Rangers.

[Eye Black]

I'm not sure how much value Kluber had. Almost a salary dump at this point.

 

Would have been interesting to add him to the rotation. A risk, but interesting.

I know the site isn’t everyone’s cup of tea (although I like it), but Baseball Trade Values posted a good synopsis just a couple of days ago on why Kluber’s value was so low on their site, Why is Corey Kluber’s value so low on this site? It brings up some fair points.

 

The Indians seemingly never sell low on their players, so either they really like the players returning to them or they know Kluber is likely to be a shell of his former self moving forward. If neither of those things is the case than I don’t understand why they wouldn’t have hung on to him to see if he could rebuild some value during 2020 and potentially trade him to upgrade their team at mid-season (similar to the Bauer trade).

 

I am sort of curious what our resident Indians fan, MadThinker88, thinks of the trade?

[Eye Black]

To make this trade more relevant for Scrappin' Stearns, the Indians just DFA'd utility guy Mike Freeman to make room on their 40-man roster. He might be worth a flier given our current options. Last season he was worth 1.0 fWAR in 75 games.

I’m surprised they DFA’d Freeman, he seemed like a useful enough player (appears he was solid both offensively and defensively) especially with rosters expanding to 26. They must not believe in the talent despite a solid showing at the MLB level last year (albeit a tiny sample of just 217 plate appearances).