2019 Winter Meetings Rumors

[mattyo]

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

Brewers are also in on Gregorius. Milwaukee has lost 14 players off its wild card team. Time to get to work.

 

 

 

 

Not sure where another SS would fit on this team. His numbers would force him to play SS. Urias to 3b? Trade Urias? Trade Hiura to make room for Urias? Its all very confusing.

[PeaveyFury]

That's.... odd. Maybe they want Urias in AAA to start?

[clancyphile]

Ryu has a career 2.98 ERA, has career FIPs and xFIPs just over 3 and strikes out over 8 per 9 for his career. There are nothing wrong with his career numbers.

 

The injury concerns are valid but in no universe should Hyun-Jin Ryu be put in the same category as Jeff Suppan.

 

Yes. I get that. In reference to Suppan&Lohse it is that you are buying in to them at their highest value at the time. And in Kuechel his value isnt at its highest. Ryu would be a great get. But I'm in the feelings now he's going to cost at least 4-80. Also I figure Ryu would have certain destinations in mind and Milw wouldn't be one even if we came at him for 4-96 being a foreign player and all.

 

The way I see it is this:

Ryu's best-case scenario for performance over the contract is better than the best-case scenario for Keuchel.

That said, when it comes to likely worst-case scenarios, Keuchel's "floor" is arguably higher than Ryu's.

 

Ryu's shoulder is a legitimate worry, and Keuchel had some neck problems. The latter is less worrisome, even if Keuchel's ERA is almost a full run higher.

 

Maybe the Brewers get both. A rotation of Ryu, Woodruff, Keuchel, Lauer, and Houser is one to go to war with.

[CrewFanBrewMan69]

Sure sounds like the Cubs are going to make some pretty drastic moves (trading Bryant, Contreras, amongst other things) that will almost certainly make them worse next year. So that’s good for us.

[markedman5]

[adambr2]

Should we actually sign Didi, my guess is that the plan is for Urias to go to 2B where he is better suited anyway and Hiura will be dangled as a significant trade piece. I wouldn't put it past DS. I think he may see the trade market as the most advantageous route of improvement this season, and maybe they just don't see a home defensively for Hiura in the NL. Hiura could net a very major return.

 

I don't think they traded for Urias with the plan for him to go to San Antonio, especially when they aren't in a position where they would be playing the service time game with him this year.

 

Of course, let's see if being in on Didi amounts to anything at all. With the market being as it is, even a guy like Didi stands to be overpaid.

[brewcrewdue80]

Ryu has a career 2.98 ERA, has career FIPs and xFIPs just over 3 and strikes out over 8 per 9 for his career. There are nothing wrong with his career numbers.

 

The injury concerns are valid but in no universe should Hyun-Jin Ryu be put in the same category as Jeff Suppan.

 

Yes. I get that. In reference to Suppan&Lohse it is that you are buying in to them at their highest value at the time. And in Kuechel his value isnt at its highest. Ryu would be a great get. But I'm in the feelings now he's going to cost at least 4-80. Also I figure Ryu would have certain destinations in mind and Milw wouldn't be one even if we came at him for 4-96 being a foreign player and all.

 

I don’t get the “highest value” comment. This isn’t the highest value ever for either of these guys. What should matter is predicted future value. For all we know Keuchel is all downhill from here. Keuchel may be cheaper, but he may also be worth a lot less over the course of the contract.

 

2019 was Ryu's best season at the Majors.

Lohse it was his best season in the Majors.

Suppan was MVP of the NLCS.... Re:Highest values.

Kuechel after 2019. Not highest value.

[nate82]

Contreras being gone would be awesome. The Cubs will be kicking themselves if they trade Contreras. When Contreras went down with an injury the Cubs offense died a bit and didn't fully come back to life until he came back.

 

Bryant looks like he is going to be a 1B as he ages so it would be smart for the Cubs to get rid of him. Contreras though I hope the Cubs trade him and he is out of the division as he is the better overall player.

[SRB]

I think it's much more likely that they are planning to move Hiura off 2B than they are going to trade him. (I didn't think his defense there looked as bad as some did.) I know his arm isn't his strongest attribute but I don't see why he couldn't move to 3B full time.

[IntentionalHBP]

I think it's much more likely that they are planning to move Hiura off 2B than they are going to trade him. (I didn't think his defense there looked as bad as some did.) I know his arm isn't his strongest attribute but I don't see why he couldn't move to 3B full time.

I feel like 2B is an easier position to field compared to 3B

[SRB]

I think it's much more likely that they are planning to move Hiura off 2B than they are going to trade him. (I didn't think his defense there looked as bad as some did.) I know his arm isn't his strongest attribute but I don't see why he couldn't move to 3B full time.

I feel like 2B is an easier position to field compared to 3B

 

Not sure about that, but in any event I also wouldn't be shocked if they moved him to 1B. His bat will play anywhere, he was by most metrics pretty bad defensively last year, and they are trying to maximize their changes of winning now.

 

(Let me now preempt the 1000 posters who will now jump in and explain to me that 1B isn't "easy" and that Hiura is too short, etc., by noting that I'm not advocating any of these just saying it's possible)

[mattyo]

I think it's much more likely that they are planning to move Hiura off 2B than they are going to trade him. (I didn't think his defense there looked as bad as some did.) I know his arm isn't his strongest attribute but I don't see why he couldn't move to 3B full time.

I feel like 2B is an easier position to field compared to 3B

 

I believe it is generally considered easier to field than 2B. That being said I wouldn't be very confident in Hiura improving much at a position he's never played before.

[nate82]

I think it's much more likely that they are planning to move Hiura off 2B than they are going to trade him. (I didn't think his defense there looked as bad as some did.) I know his arm isn't his strongest attribute but I don't see why he couldn't move to 3B full time.

 

It would be more likely he would be moved to 1B than 3B. Not something I am advocating for just what I would see as a possibility.

[PilprinBuddha]

Wouldn't Urias go to 3rd in this scenario and Arcia Dealt?

[MrTPlush]

I think it's much more likely that they are planning to move Hiura off 2B than they are going to trade him. (I didn't think his defense there looked as bad as some did.) I know his arm isn't his strongest attribute but I don't see why he couldn't move to 3B full time.

 

Wait, Hiura at 3B. Pretty sure he would have a shot at worst defender in MLB history. He can’t play 2B and struggles making throws to 1B. Across the diamond? Oh my.

[mattyo]

Wouldn't Urias go to 3rd in this scenario and Arcia Dealt?

 

Urias bat needs to be HUGELY improved to play at 3rd

[SRB]

I think it's much more likely that they are planning to move Hiura off 2B than they are going to trade him. (I didn't think his defense there looked as bad as some did.) I know his arm isn't his strongest attribute but I don't see why he couldn't move to 3B full time.

 

Wait, Hiura at 3B. Pretty sure he would have a shot at worst defender in MLB history. He can’t play 2B and struggles making throws to 1B. Across the diamond? Oh my.

 

:roll eyes Highly doubt he would be the "worst defender in MLB history" and from my perspective his arm has not been his biggest problem at 2B.

 

3B is down the defensive spectrum from 2B in my view.

[schmidtac20]

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

Brewers are also in on Gregorius. Milwaukee has lost 14 players off its wild card team. Time to get to work.

 

 

 

 

Not sure where another SS would fit on this team. His numbers would force him to play SS. Urias to 3b? Trade Urias? Trade Hiura to make room for Urias? Its all very confusing.

 

 

Similar to two off seasons ago, we didn't feel the team had a need for two outfielders yet DS acquired two anyways.

[Brewcrewin07]

Wouldn't Urias go to 3rd in this scenario and Arcia Dealt?

 

Urias bat needs to be HUGELY improved to play at 3rd

 

Exactly this...you need your corner IF positions to provide power...he can't do that, at least not enough of it.

[NievesNoNO]

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

Brewers are also in on Gregorius. Milwaukee has lost 14 players off its wild card team. Time to get to work.

 

 

 

 

Not sure where another SS would fit on this team. His numbers would force him to play SS. Urias to 3b? Trade Urias? Trade Hiura to make room for Urias? Its all very confusing.

 

If there's anything DS has proven to appreciate it's versitility. If you can field SS at the mlb level, you can in theory play any one of 3 infield positions. I think Didi could fit fine at 3B as well. It probably says more about Arcia's future than anything, imo. I think the final price for Gregorious will price him out of the Brewers range but I like the interest.

[IntentionalHBP]

I think it's much more likely that they are planning to move Hiura off 2B than they are going to trade him. (I didn't think his defense there looked as bad as some did.) I know his arm isn't his strongest attribute but I don't see why he couldn't move to 3B full time.

I feel like 2B is an easier position to field compared to 3B

[Fear The Chorizo]

Regarding Bryant and the Cubs, even if they wanted to trade him it would be difficult until the verdict on his grievance is known - there is an outside chance he is a free agent after next year, not 2021, which obviously impacts his value as a trade chip. Because of that, I'm guessing the cubs trade Contreras too soon or Schwarber too late to get good value in return. Even with Hamels gone, they have a huge payroll that limits what they can do in free agency unless they want to be permanent luxury tax payers.

 

If they wanted to make an impact trade, Rizzo or Baez would be the piece moving - I'd love to add Rizzo to the brewers but that is a pipe dream.

[nate82]

If they wanted to make an impact trade, Rizzo or Baez would be the piece moving - I'd love to add Rizzo to the brewers but that is a pipe dream.

 

I would take Contreras over Rizzo.

[brewmann04]

Cubs are not trading anyone to the crew.

[Eye Black]

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

Brewers are also in on Gregorius. Milwaukee has lost 14 players off its wild card team. Time to get to work.

 

 

 

 

Not sure where another SS would fit on this team. His numbers would force him to play SS. Urias to 3b? Trade Urias? Trade Hiura to make room for Urias? Its all very confusing.

I have a suspicion they don’t envision Hiura as a second baseman long-term. I think they ultimately move him to either LF or 1B, or a longer shot that they trade him.