2020 Roster Turn Over

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Robert Murray

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Brewers have gotten strong trade interest in Keston Hiura, according to sources. A deal has been described as highly unlikely, with one team in contact with the Brewers saying it would take a “____ ton” to facilitate a trade.

 

Uh yeah, no kidding. I'm glad Stearns is willing to discuss anyone, though. If someone makes a godfather offer for one of the Brewers' assets, you consider it.

 

While true, I can't imagine listening on everyone is a good way to do business, at least publicly.

 

Are free agents going to want to join a club knowing they will always be shopped?

 

It's all guaranteed money, 99% of players could not care less where they play, its the money that matters.

 

True. Also an important distinction: taking calls does not equal shopping, as I previously mentioned.

 

Big difference, but it still remains interesting to me that Stearns would consider trading his younger core.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

True. Also an important distinction: taking calls does not equal shopping, as I previously mentioned.

 

Big difference, but it still remains interesting to me that Stearns would consider trading his younger core.

 

Everyone is available for the right price. I doubt that there is any player in MLB that isn't available in some way, shape or form ... other than those few players out there with full no-trade protection.

[MrTPlush]

Hiura is a one position pony that is a major hack in the field. It isn't exactly surprising they might consider trading him for something else...but per usual it would be incredibly difficult for such a trade to materialize. You would probably need a comparable young offensive star that may still be in the minors plus some pieces for the added risk we take on as Hiura's offense is a bit more obvious. I doubt he would trade him for an elite young pitcher just because of how fickle pitchers are and it seems Stearns isn't much of a guy to pour investments into pitching.

 

I can't fathom such a trade in my mind that I would take. Hiura may be an elite bat right now...how do we do better than that in a trade that another team is willing to give up?

[Luke99]

Personally I am pretty happy with the offseason so far. Stearns took an objective look at his roster and farm and decided to clean house. I am excited to see how he re comps the roster over the next 3 months. Seems to me he is trying to stay ahead of the MLB curve. Everyone is paying for OBP, HR and K's. So let's go out and try to morph our team a bit away from that model. I think we will end up younger, less expensive, more athletic, with a longer winder and more upside after this is all said and done. I am excited to see Stearns work this offseason.

[jonescm128]

I need to just limit myself to brewerfan.net for Brewers takes. Too many idiots on Twitter I cannot take it anymore.

[MrTPlush]

I need to just limit myself to brewerfan.net for Brewers takes. Too many idiots on Twitter I cannot take it anymore.

 

It took you this long?

[clancyphile]

With a potential core of Woodruff, Hader, Yelich, Urias, and Hiura supplemented by Cain, Houser, Suter, Knebel, Pina, and Braun, the Brewers are in good shape in one sense.

 

Braun comes off the books after 2020. The only "albatross" deal is Cain's, and he is still a Gold Glove CF. You can do worse in the 8 spot.

 

In one sense, the biggest long-term question mark is Christian Yelich, and it's the "extend or trade" question.

 

Dealing Hader might look like a step back, but if a Hader-Lutz-Garcia (a SS prospect) package brought in McNeil-Davis-Smith (BaseballTradeValues.com calls it a "minor overpay" for the Mets)...

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-17226/

 

You now have a lineup looking like this:

ss: Urias

2b: Hiura

rf: Yelich

3b: McNeil

lf: Braun/Smith

1b: Davis/Smith

c: Pina

cf: Cain

 

With five assets under control for five years, the Brewers can make a big run, then retool/rebuild.

[SRB]

Who spiked Wisconsin's drinking water with all this Mets Kool-Aid? We have to add prospects to Hader for that weak package of Mets nobodies and Casey McNeil McGehee 2.0 (non-prospect who had a hot 600 PA)?

[TURBO]

The only "albatross" deal is Cain's, and he is still a Gold Glove CF. You can do worse in the 8 spot.

 

 

8 spot? True, but he is currently our lead-off. (or was anyway)

[SRB]

Cain was visibly injured all through 2019 and still put up a passable season. He was an MVP candidate in 2018.

 

I'd wait to see what he does this year before declaring him an albatross.

[Warning Track Power]

Who spiked Wisconsin's drinking water with all this Mets Kool-Aid? We have to add prospects to Hader for that weak package of Mets nobodies and Casey McNeil McGehee 2.0 (non-prospect who had a hot 600 PA)?

Seriously. If Hader is going to the Mets, they can start with Syndergaard and even that I am not convinced on. Hader + for Syndergaard and Dom Smith....maybe. Hader for multiple utility men like Davis and McNeil and a 1B in Smith. Pound sand New York.

[Warning Track Power]

Following up on the Mets though, it does make sense that the Brewers would be looking to fill the 1B and 3B holes in a trade of Hader. I just wouldn't target McNeil-Davis-Smith as the ones to fill those holes.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Who spiked Wisconsin's drinking water with all this Mets Kool-Aid? We have to add prospects to Hader for that weak package of Mets nobodies and Casey McNeil McGehee 2.0 (non-prospect who had a hot 600 PA)?

Seriously. If Hader is going to the Mets, they can start with Syndergaard and even that I am not convinced on. Hader + for Syndergaard and Dom Smith....maybe. Hader for multiple utility men like Davis and McNeil and a 1B in Smith. Pound sand New York.

 

Jeff McNeil followed up a rookie season in which he put up an OPS of .852, with a .916 last year, along with an All Star appearance. Casey McGehee never approached that. He's also a lefty hitter with emerging power that would be a perfect fit for Miller Park. In my opinion, you probably couldn't find a better trade candidate. I certainly wouldn't do McNeil straight up for Hader, but he'd be a prime piece coming back in any deal.

[clancyphile]

The only "albatross" deal is Cain's, and he is still a Gold Glove CF. You can do worse in the 8 spot.

 

 

8 spot? True, but he is currently our lead-off. (or was anyway)

 

Urias will likely take that spot.

 

As it stands, Cain's injury-prone 2019 where he still is Gold Glove-caliber in the field may be the norm, and it's not bad, except for the fact that the Brewers pay an AAV of $16 million for it through 2022.

[MrTPlush]

Who spiked Wisconsin's drinking water with all this Mets Kool-Aid? We have to add prospects to Hader for that weak package of Mets nobodies and Casey McNeil McGehee 2.0 (non-prospect who had a hot 600 PA)?

Seriously. If Hader is going to the Mets, they can start with Syndergaard and even that I am not convinced on. Hader + for Syndergaard and Dom Smith....maybe. Hader for multiple utility men like Davis and McNeil and a 1B in Smith. Pound sand New York.

 

Jeff McNeil followed up a rookie season in which he put up an OPS of .852, with a .916 last year, along with an All Star appearance. Casey McGehee never approached that. He's also a lefty hitter with emerging power that would be a perfect fit for Miller Park. In my opinion, you probably couldn't find a better trade candidate. I certainly wouldn't do McNeil straight up for Hader, but he'd be a prime piece coming back in any deal.

 

Bring in McNeil plus more and then turn around and trade Hiura for a haul. Woah...totally in a wild MLB: The Show world, but it could actually work out for the Brewers. It is funny because McNeil is the kind of player people on here constantly beg for us to find. Takes walks, premium position, barely strikes out, power...great player. Maybe the track record isn't there prior to the last few year, but he looks legit.

 

I bet the Mets are the team to hang up the phone faster.

[brewmann04]

if David add position players with a Josh trade then he better get a top starter in FA.

[Luke99]

I don't think we are getting McNeil for Hader. I would love it and as dumb as the Met's GM appears to be, I don't see it.

 

With the rumors today they are looking to dump salary. If we can get Dom Smith and take on Jed Lowrie's contract for the trouble I would be all for it. Prospect return should be very minimal for eating the salary. Lowrie is owed 13 million for next year, but it's only for a year and he can still be a useful player. Then we lock in our 1B of the future for 5 years. Basically trading Shaw, Saladino, Claudio, Nelson, Guerra for Dom Smith, Lowrie, 2.5 million and 4 roster spots to spend on fliers... I am ok with that trade off..

[PeaveyFury]

I don't think we are getting McNeil for Hader. I would love it and as dumb as the Met's GM appears to be, I don't see it.

 

With the rumors today they are looking to dump salary. If we can get Dom Smith and take on Jed Lowrie's contract for the trouble I would be all for it. Prospect return should be very minimal for eating the salary. Lowrie is owed 13 million for next year, but it's only for a year and he can still be a useful player. Then we lock in our 1B of the future for 5 years. Basically trading Shaw, Saladino, Claudio, Nelson, Guerra for Dom Smith, Lowrie, 2.5 million and 4 roster spots to spend on fliers... I am ok with that trade off..

 

Something like this is probably the more logical deal with the Mets....

[SRB]

Not sure why MLBTR is suggesting that getting a taker for Lowrie would require adding quality prospects like Smith.

 

I would take Lowrie straightup, depending on what the medical reports say. One year deal with the upside of a 5.0 fWAR player, who can also be our everyday 3B?

 

He's only making like double what tendering Travis Shaw would have cost

[clancyphile]

Jeff McNeil followed up a rookie season in which he put up an OPS of .852, with a .916 last year, along with an All Star appearance. Casey McGehee never approached that. He's also a lefty hitter with emerging power that would be a perfect fit for Miller Park. In my opinion, you probably couldn't find a better trade candidate. I certainly wouldn't do McNeil straight up for Hader, but he'd be a prime piece coming back in any deal.

 

Put it this way: McNeil could see a Yelich-style jump in his power stats. Smith might also benefit. Davis becomes a right-handed bat to slot between Yelich and McNeil. They all had an OPS+ of 134 or better. For Hader and Lutz... a good return.

 

A 1-6 of Urias, Hiura, Yelich, Davis, McNeil, and Braun is not bad.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Jeff McNeil followed up a rookie season in which he put up an OPS of .852, with a .916 last year, along with an All Star appearance. Casey McGehee never approached that. He's also a lefty hitter with emerging power that would be a perfect fit for Miller Park. In my opinion, you probably couldn't find a better trade candidate. I certainly wouldn't do McNeil straight up for Hader, but he'd be a prime piece coming back in any deal.

 

Put it this way: McNeil could see a Yelich-style jump in his power stats. Smith might also benefit. Davis becomes a right-handed bat to slot between Yelich and McNeil. They all had an OPS+ of 134 or better. For Hader and Lutz... a good return.

 

A 1-6 of Urias, Hiura, Yelich, Davis, McNeil, and Braun is not bad.

 

That 1-6 don’t look too shabby. I’m reality Pina/Nottingham isn’t that bad of an option in 7/8 spot.

 

What would it take to get Diaz? Had a rough year and could maybe use a change of scenery. Not sure what he will get paid this year either.

[FVBrewerFan]

I don't understand why everyone assumes Urias will be on the opening day roster, let alone the lead-off hitter. Cain will be the lead-off hitter on opening day.

[walleye]

I think what concerns some Brewer fans is not that we have not made a ton of moves by The 1st of December or that a majority of the team is set , but the amount of holes to fill on this team , not only the need for pitching upgrades ,leftover from last season but also all the new ones that opened with the exodus of key everyday players that help lead us to the playoffs last year.For two years We got a taste of playoff baseball and we like it, is it realistic to expect or hope for every year in a small market? probably not but we as fans still want it.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Jeff McNeil followed up a rookie season in which he put up an OPS of .852, with a .916 last year, along with an All Star appearance. Casey McGehee never approached that. He's also a lefty hitter with emerging power that would be a perfect fit for Miller Park. In my opinion, you probably couldn't find a better trade candidate. I certainly wouldn't do McNeil straight up for Hader, but he'd be a prime piece coming back in any deal.

 

Put it this way: McNeil could see a Yelich-style jump in his power stats. Smith might also benefit. Davis becomes a right-handed bat to slot between Yelich and McNeil. They all had an OPS+ of 134 or better. For Hader and Lutz... a good return.

 

A 1-6 of Urias, Hiura, Yelich, Davis, McNeil, and Braun is not bad.

 

I'm afraid you are vastly over-rating Mr. Jeff McNeil. Especially his power potential...He only had 28 HR in over 1600 minor league at bats and he will be 28 years old already in 2020.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Jeff McNeil followed up a rookie season in which he put up an OPS of .852, with a .916 last year, along with an All Star appearance. Casey McGehee never approached that. He's also a lefty hitter with emerging power that would be a perfect fit for Miller Park. In my opinion, you probably couldn't find a better trade candidate. I certainly wouldn't do McNeil straight up for Hader, but he'd be a prime piece coming back in any deal.

 

Put it this way: McNeil could see a Yelich-style jump in his power stats. Smith might also benefit. Davis becomes a right-handed bat to slot between Yelich and McNeil. They all had an OPS+ of 134 or better. For Hader and Lutz... a good return.

 

A 1-6 of Urias, Hiura, Yelich, Davis, McNeil, and Braun is not bad.

 

I'm afraid you are vastly over-rating Mr. Jeff McNeil. Especially his power potential...He only had 28 HR in over 1600 minor league at bats and he will be 28 years old already in 2020.

 

Or perhaps you are underrating him based on him minors numbers? I mean, the guy has an excellent 1 1/2 seasons of MLB time so far. And who cares that he's going to be 28? It's all about cheap control, and he has a lot of it.