Truth comes out...what many of us feared..planning on cutting payroll

[True Blue Brew Crew]

THE TRUTH COMES OUT

 

WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

 

Say things like this and you should be willing to leave the forum if 2020 payroll winds up meeting or exceeding last season. C'mon we gotta be better than this here. It's getting out of hand. The forum needs a banner showing how many days are left before spring training.

[trwi7]

that it is December 2!

 

[Lathund]

Step away from the keyboard...

 

 

LOl what else do you expect him to say?? he's not going to come out and fully admit they are cutting payroll...they can just not sign FA's and give the standard "we tried"(like they did with Grandal line) and some of you incredibly guillable, DS slobbering fans would believe it. I don't get it. Were you all Ted Thompson fans too?? Where did his being frugal leave the franchise??

 

Besides what does DS define as being "competitive"?? Competing for a playoff berth, world series, just not being terrible??

 

Now you’re just trolling. You get it straight from the man himself to not panic and yet, here you are using Bob N. to try to make a case for Stearns not doing his job. Time to put your big boy pants on and relax a bit and let the off season play out.

 

It's the exact same thing as the last offseason. And the last trade deadline. And the ones before that. Right down to the Ted Thompson comparison. Soon we'll have the reminiscing about Doug Melvin, the "scared money don't make money", and multiple posts about how every prospect should be traded because he's too ambitious to sit on his hands like Stearns, no prospect is guaranteed, and how the competitive window is over because we didn't sign X player.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

It's the exact same thing as the last offseason. And the last trade deadline. And the ones before that. Right down to the Ted Thompson comparison. Soon we'll have the reminiscing about Doug Melvin, the "scared money don't make money", and multiple posts about how every prospect should be traded because he's too ambitious to sit on his hands like Stearns, no prospect is guaranteed, and how the competitive window is over because we didn't sign X player.

 

This particular poster definitely has a specific bag of tricks that he draws from.

[homer]

Stearns: "We intend on being competitive once again next year. We think we have a quality team and will continue to complement and add to that team throughout the rest of the offseason. We've got a lot of offseason left."

[OldSchoolSnapper]

TIL if your payroll doesn't rise at least 5% a year you're cutting payroll.

[wallus]

[Brewcrewin07]

To a lot of you it won't matter who they sign, as long as they get them cheap or at a "reasonable" price, it will be a good deal and will help the team, right?? SMH...the #1 thing I have never been able to figure out with sports fans, is why they care so much how someone else spends THEIR own money.

 

You guys would think bringing in Logan Forsythe to play 1st for a year and Todd Frazier to play 3rd for a year would actually be good moves if they were cheap 1 year deals, only they wouldn't really replace any of what they are losing. But, hey, if it's a bargain, must be a good move, right?? Has no one ever heard of getting what you pay for??

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

To a lot of you it won't matter who they sign, as long as they get them cheap or at a "reasonable" price, it will be a good deal and will help the team, right?? SMH...the #1 thing I have never been able to figure out with sports fans, is why they care so much how someone else spends THEIR own money.

 

You guys would think bringing in Logan Forsythe to play 1st for a year and Todd Frazier to play 3rd for a year would actually be good moves if they were cheap 1 year deals, only they wouldn't really replace any of what they are losing. But, hey, if it's a bargain, must be a good move, right?? Has no one ever heard of getting what you pay for??

 

Wow, you are piling up the hot takes tonight.

 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely none of this is correct. Or even coherent.

[TURBO]

You all sound like a bunch of blow-hards!

 

Original poster, yeah we know all about him and his shenanigans, but those who are acting like you know for 100% sure what is going to happen with payroll, signings, etc. are no better.

 

Let's just see what happens...

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I could see this hand wringing if the talk of what could still come kept amounting to nothing year after year. But since Stearns became GM, he's never sat on his hands even once. The past two offseasons have been highlighted by the Yelich/Cain acquistions and the Moustakas and Grandal signings among other things. Heck they've already made a rather significant trade THIS offseason. Do the "sky is falling" people enjoy winding up with egg on their faces year after year?

[owbc]

The absolute dumbest thing they could have done was spend a ton of $$$ on 4-year deals to keep a team together that barely made the playoffs last year. All we know right now is that they didn't do that.

[brewmann04]

No way are they cutting payroll and rebuild after making the playoffs in the the last two season and also 3 Million paying fans.

[wildcat83]

Has no one ever heard of getting what you pay for??

 

Except in almost any huge FA contract you literally do not get what you pay for....

 

Your next post should be about the Packers giving a record FA deal to a running back. Similar success rates lately.

[Brewcrewin07]

LOl what else do you expect him to say?? he's not going to come out and fully admit they are cutting payroll...they can just not sign FA's and give the standard "we tried"(like they did with Grandal line) and some of you incredibly guillable, DS slobbering fans would believe it. I don't get it. Were you all Ted Thompson fans too?? Where did his being frugal leave the franchise??

 

Besides what does DS define as being "competitive"?? Competing for a playoff berth, world series, just not being terrible??

 

Now you’re just trolling. You get it straight from the man himself to not panic and yet, here you are using Bob N. to try to make a case for Stearns not doing his job. Time to put your big boy pants on and relax a bit and let the off season play out.

 

It's the exact same thing as the last offseason. And the last trade deadline. And the ones before that. Right down to the Ted Thompson comparison. Soon we'll have the reminiscing about Doug Melvin, the "scared money don't make money", and multiple posts about how every prospect should be traded because he's too ambitious to sit on his hands like Stearns, no prospect is guaranteed, and how the competitive window is over because we didn't sign X player.

 

You're exactly right, because if your honest, what of those things AREN'T true?? You may not like them, or want to hear them, or want to acknowledge how factual those things are, but they are.

 

So for all of you saying..."there's a lot of off season left yet, relax"...sure there is, but why does he have to wait all off season?? He could be signing guys now just as easily right?? Orrrrr maybe he waits purposely, thinking prices will come down, and then he can get players at "walmart prices". That is EXACTLY why they wait, and in the process, because they are waiting to get players at "their" price, other players that would be coups they maybe could have by spending a bit more, are signing other places. They wait for bargains, plain and simple. No one can spin it any other way. Just because they are a bargain, doesn't mean they will be a substantial help to the ball club, right??

[JosephC]

This really wouldn't be surprising at all. The highest the Brewers ever ran an opening day payroll prior to 2019 was 104 million in 2015, and then Attanasio jumped it from 90 million to 122 million when going from 2018 to 2019. So it was a 36% increase from 2018 to 2019...or a 17% increase over the all-time high. Pretty significant jump either way you look at it. I remember doing the off-season plan last year and ended up naming Wilson Ramos instead of Grandal because I thought the season end payroll would probably be limited to 118 million so didn't want to go over 112 for opening day which excluded giving Grandal an 18 million dollar deal.

 

If this news is legit, my reaction is that the news really doesn't tell me anything. If they are cutting the opening day payroll from 122 million to 100 million, then this is a huge story. But if Attanasio has run the numbers and just missed his projected profit margin by a few million, and has told Stearns that he wants to decrease the opening day payroll from 122 million to 118 million and then is willing to maintain the normal trade deadline flexibility like he has done in the past, then this isn't really news at all. It's not at all unreasonable to think that Attanasio did stretch the budget last year based on the historical numbers so a little belt-tightening shouldn't be that surprising or alarming.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

You all sound like a bunch of blow-hards!

 

Original poster, yeah we know all about him and his shenanigans, but those who are acting like you know for 100% sure what is going to happen with payroll, signings, etc. are no better.

 

Let's just see what happens...

 

Umm, history is on the side of those who are expecting significant additions to come. The complainers fearing that nothing is going to happen are batting a tidy .000 when factoring in offseasons and trade deadlines. It's like some here have the memories of goldfish or something.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

You all sound like a bunch of blow-hards!

 

Original poster, yeah we know all about him and his shenanigans, but those who are acting like you know for 100% sure what is going to happen with payroll, signings, etc. are no better.

 

Let's just see what happens...

 

That's kinda my whole point. It's Dec. 2. The season doesn't start tomorrow.

 

Yes, no one knows what the plan is. It can be educationally inferred, though, that they aren't going to sit on their hands, or sign a bum like Logan Forsythe to be their starting 1B.

[TURBO]

You all sound like a bunch of blow-hards!

 

Original poster, yeah we know all about him and his shenanigans, but those who are acting like you know for 100% sure what is going to happen with payroll, signings, etc. are no better.

 

Let's just see what happens...

 

Umm, history is on the side of those who are expecting significant additions to come. The complainers (like you presumably) fearing that nothing is going to happen are batting a tidy .000 when factoring in offseasons and trade deadlines. It's like some here have the memories of goldfish or something.

 

haven't complained yet, I am taking the wait and see approach.

 

I think some big moves are still coming, but I can't say for certain that the original poster isn't on to something, nor can the rest of you who are so quick to ridicule him.

 

we'll see what happens.

[pacopete4]

The original poster is a dope and continues to prove it each and every post. But yes, please defend him because you’re also not happy with the beginning of the offseason.

[JohnBriggs12]

I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if they were trying to go below the $120 million opening day payroll they had last year, but they are not cutting payroll down to $60 million the year after a playoffs appearance and in Yelich's prime

 

So they are cutting payroll then, right?? Cutting payroll, is cutting payroll. Instead in Yelich's prime you should be increasing it substantially.

 

Payroll is fluid every year, it isn't linear. You don't automatically just increase payroll every year. That's just spending for the sake of spending. You spend when the right deals present itself like with Moose and Grandal last year and manage your resources wisely so that you can afford to make those deals when you need to.

 

What if no right deals present themselves? They can't depend on luck every year. Sometimes you have to make your luck. The Brewers drew 1.1 million more fans than the Reds did last year. Shrinking payroll is an insult to the fans.

[brewmann04]

If they really cut their payroll w/o making moves (which i don't believe) will the fans still come out in droves and buy their new Merchadise

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

You're exactly right, because if your honest, what of those things AREN'T true?? You may not like them, or want to hear them, or want to acknowledge how factual those things are, but they are.

 

So for all of you saying..."there's a lot of off season left yet, relax"...sure there is, but why does he have to wait all off season?? He could be signing guys now just as easily right?? Orrrrr maybe he waits purposely, thinking prices will come down, and then he can get players at "walmart prices". That is EXACTLY why they wait, and in the process, because they are waiting to get players at "their" price, other players that would be coups they maybe could have by spending a bit more, are signing other places. They wait for bargains, plain and simple. No one can spin it any other way. Just because they are a bargain, doesn't mean they will be a substantial help to the ball club, right??

 

Do me a favor. Go look at how many free agents have signed deals already. Then take a look at how many free agents there actually are. The biggest names didn't sign last season until very late in the process, and none of the big names, other than Grandal, have signed this season. If they are sitting on their hands into February, then complain. Complaining now is kinda crazy.

[Brewcrewin07]

To a lot of you it won't matter who they sign, as long as they get them cheap or at a "reasonable" price, it will be a good deal and will help the team, right?? SMH...the #1 thing I have never been able to figure out with sports fans, is why they care so much how someone else spends THEIR own money.

 

You guys would think bringing in Logan Forsythe to play 1st for a year and Todd Frazier to play 3rd for a year would actually be good moves if they were cheap 1 year deals, only they wouldn't really replace any of what they are losing. But, hey, if it's a bargain, must be a good move, right?? Has no one ever heard of getting what you pay for??

 

Wow, you are piling up the hot takes tonight.

 

BS it's not...most of you are all about getting cheap undervalued players that MIGHT produce. Take a look at the non tender thread...a lot are saying they are okay with bringing Arcia back at 1 year for 2.2 million. The guy is trash, he can't hit a lick. But, since he was "cheap" a lot of people are okay with it.

 

Prime example...once you see what Moose and Grandal signed for, all of a sudden no one wanted them back because they thought the contracts were too rich. But prior to that those same people wanted them back. Okay...so, who can you get for less that will produce as much or more then either of them?? You can get guys, but unless it's a complete flukey year, I can almost guarantee you won't get the same or better production for significantly less. But that's okay with a lot of you, because at least they didn't over pay.

 

The one year deals have got to stop...at some point you have to have a "core" and a core of all young players with potential isn't going to cut it. It's fine to have some, but you also have to have a corp of veterans that will all be together for awhile too.

[82brewcrew82]

Where is it written that you have to throw good money after bad or increase your payroll significantly in order to improve the team?