Davies and Grisham to San Diego, Urias and Lauer to the Brewers

[Roderick]

Don't know anything about him. Any chance Urias can play 3B?

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Once they didn't re-sign Grandal, the easiest place to improve was SS as pointed out numerous times. Whaddya know, they go out and get a SS. Edited November 27, 2019 by True Blue Brew Crew

[Brewersfanatic2882]

We just fleeced the padres. If Urias can play a good ss and live to his potential, we have our middle infield for the next 6 years. But the best part is is now we don't need to go out and get a didi or another ss. This saves sooooo much money that they can use on pitching. Say hello to all the Zach Wheeler rumors. Corey Ray also has a path to the bigs IF he can have a good season in AAA.

[jonescm128]

Don't know anything about him. Any chance Urias can play 3B?

 

He can, but he won't. This has to be part of a larger play. You cannot have Arcia and Urias starting on the same infield.

[markedman5]

Padres also signed Pomeranz pending physical

[liveforoctober]

Struggled a bit in his first dip in the majors at the plate but his career MiLB line: .308/.397/.433 .. here is to hoping!

[Jaylyn]

WOW! Did Stearns just rob the Padres? Opens up a lot of questions, but on the surface this is an amazing trade for the Brewers and a headscratcher for SD.

[bjkrautk]

We're getting two players who are younger than the guys we're trading. Lauer doesn't look like much of a step-up from Davies (averages 5 innings a start, a few more K's, and slightly higher HR/9...playing in San Diego...), but he's a #5 starter who's also left-handed.

 

Urias should push Arcia, but you're still betting on potential. Probably best for Grisham to get a fresh start somewhere other than Milwaukee after the Wild Card game.

[KeithStone53151]

This is a great trade, love it. I can see why both teams wanted to do it, still couldn't be happier. I was mildly concerned that grisham was on an extended hot streak and this wasn't the new norm for him. Also much easier to get a solid OF than a solid ss in this market. Heck gamel is probably 90% as valuable as grisham at minimum. Also lauer is much better than Davies in my opinion, and more team control

[patrickgpe]

some observations

 

1) softens the blow on loosing dubon, we now have a new SS of the future.

2) Arcia definitely doesn't have to be moved, but we now have insurance and a plan moving forward

3) something has to be up with the rotation, yes they got a starter back but seems like a classic #5 one and they have up a #3.

4) Can't move Braun to 1st anymore with the roster as it is, but its early so maybe still. You basically have 4 OF's with experience on the roster.

 

overall I approve of this.

[Roderick]

Don't know anything about him. Any chance Urias can play 3B?

 

He can, but he won't. This has to be part of a larger play. You cannot have Arcia and Urias starting on the same infield.

 

Good to know. May not be plan A or plan B or plan C, but if they can't sign Moose or find any other 3B, then they have at least a body that has potential to play, right?

[True Blue Brew Crew]

some observations

 

1) softens the blow on loosing dubon, we now have a new SS of the future.

2) Arcia definitely doesn't have to be moved, but we now have insurance and a plan moving forward

3) something has to be up with the rotation, yes they got a starter back but seems like a classic #5 one and they have up a #3.

4) Can't move Braun to 1st anymore with the roster as it is, but its early so maybe still. You basically have 4 OF's with experience on the roster.

 

overall I approve of this.

 

One quibble. Urias is in a different stratosphere as a prospect than Dubon. This doesn't soften the blow. This is like being reborn.

[jerichoholicninja]

Gotta be part of a larger plan. Will Stearns really enter the year with an unproven player like Urias as a starter? Or maybe he works as a UTL until he finds his footing in the MLB? I do see Arcia as expendable after this though.

 

Considering Urias and Arcia have almost exactly the same MLB numbers, I'm not sure what the problem would be.

[3and2Fastball]

I haven’t been this excited about a Brewers transaction since the Yelich trade. I understand that Urias was blocked by Tatis, but to get him for Davies & Grisham and also receive a LHP who is controllable until 2025 is something I just would not believe prior to reading it in print. I can barely believe it right now....

[HarveysWBs]

Only 300 PA's for Urias, and turns 23 in June. Lots of time to reach his potential in a new environment, but I'm thinking his inexperience and massive struggles at the major-league level means he is not going to be the opening day anything. My money is on Arcia (still only 25!) as our Opening Day SS, and if Urias takes off, Arcia slides into a utility role. I have zero confidence that Arcia as a bench bat will be any better than Arcia as a starting bat, but it couldn't get much worse.

 

As for Grish--I'm sorry for how his Brewers tenure ended. He was a key piece down the stretch in 2019, and should be remembered as such. I was angrier than I care to admit in the moment during the Wild Card game, and am a little sorry to see him go. I hope he does well for the Padres.

 

The pitcher portion of the trade is interesting. Projections like Lauer considerably more than Davies, then again, projection systems never could quite figure out Davies' success. Lauer has much higher strikeout upside than Davies (how could he not, though, right?), and only slightly higher HR/9 numbers, but with a move to Miller Park, I expect that to spike a bit, and is my primary concern with the trade. I think a backend starter expectation is perfectly reasonable, so its gravy.

 

Bottom line, though, if Urias becomes who he was always supposed to be, we'll never miss Davies or even Grisham.

Edited November 27, 2019 by Harvey'sWBs

[KeithStone53151]

I think lauer is better than many are giving him credit for. His stuff is much better than Davies and young enough to still improve.

[mattyo]

some observations

 

1) softens the blow on loosing dubon, we now have a new SS of the future.

2) Arcia definitely doesn't have to be moved, but we now have insurance and a plan moving forward

3) something has to be up with the rotation, yes they got a starter back but seems like a classic #5 one and they have up a #3.

4) Can't move Braun to 1st anymore with the roster as it is, but its early so maybe still. You basically have 4 OF's with experience on the roster.

 

overall I approve of this.

 

One quibble. Urias is in a different stratosphere as a prospect than Dubon. This doesn't soften the blow. This is like being reborn.

 

This is important. Urias was ranked higher than any prospect we have had since Brinson, and Arcia before him.

[RollieTime]

Absolutely love this trade! Brewers also save roughly $4 million more now, and depending on what happens with Arcia, it could be almost $7 million saved. We traded a mid rotation pitcher with 2 years of control left and a mostly minor leaguer that has struggled his entire career other than for a couple months last season for a back of the rotation arm that has some upside with I believe 5 years of control and a SS prospect that was ranked 16th in MLB prior to last year that has 6 years of control. Stearns absolutely fleeced the Padres on this trade!

 

I think Arcia will be moved now and that something big is still on the horizon. Big time third baseman, starting pitcher, or possibly outfielder is all in play right now. Heck, a couple might be coming! Anthony Rendon or Stephen Strasburg anyone!? Man what an exciting move this was!!

[mattyo]

Absolutely love this trade! Brewers also save roughly $4 million more now, and depending on what happens with Arcia, it could be almost $7 million saved. We traded a mid rotation pitcher with 2 years of control left and a mostly minor leaguer that has struggled his entire career other than for a couple months last season for a back of the rotation arm that has some upside with I believe 5 years of control and a SS prospect that was ranked 16th in MLB prior to last year that has 6 years of control. Stearns absolutely fleeced the Padres on this trade!

 

I think Arcia will be moved now and that something big is still on the horizon. Big time third baseman, starting pitcher, or possibly outfielder is all in play right now. Heck, a couple might be coming! Anthony Rendon or Stephen Strasburg anyone!? Man what an exciting move this was!!

 

Love the enthusiasm but we saved $7 million, not $60 million.

[DHonks]

I’m guessing Uriah’s gives us depth at 2b, so, and 3b. For now he’s our upgrade over Perez. But he could potentially start somewhere.

[MrTPlush]

Why does this have to be apart of a master plan or why can't he be the opening day starter? He was already better than Arcia last year (marginally) in his first extended look at the MLB level.

 

I will reserve my judgement until he produces. I think this deal is a bit closer in value than people give credit. Davies is a solid starter and Grisham is a solid prospect. I like the deal, but Urias is still a prospect and we just got done with a similar hyped/ranked prospect being an absolute bust in Arcia. We shall see, excited for the likely outcome of not seeing Arcia everyday again, but Urias may end up just as bad.

 

At face value, without other moves, we just made the MLB team worse in my opinion. That has to be taken into consideration. Excited for the moves to come and the overall look of the team come opening day. This certainly isn't the end and this certainly means more moves to be made. Simply put I can’t really give an idea about this deal before the other moves are made. We now have to fill a spot in the rotation and possibly the OF if Braun moves to 1B.

Edited November 27, 2019 by MrTPlush

[jonescm128]

Absolutely love this trade! Brewers also save roughly $4 million more now, and depending on what happens with Arcia, it could be almost $7 million saved. We traded a mid rotation pitcher with 2 years of control left and a mostly minor leaguer that has struggled his entire career other than for a couple months last season for a back of the rotation arm that has some upside with I believe 5 years of control and a SS prospect that was ranked 16th in MLB prior to last year that has 6 years of control. Stearns absolutely fleeced the Padres on this trade!

 

I think Arcia will be moved now and that something big is still on the horizon. Big time third baseman, starting pitcher, or possibly outfielder is all in play right now. Heck, a couple might be coming! Anthony Rendon or Stephen Strasburg anyone!? Man what an exciting move this was!!

 

Love the enthusiasm but we saved $7 million, not $60 million.

 

Right, everyone should get it out of their heads that we will sign Cole, Strasburg, Rendon, and probably Wheeler.

 

Although with the additional savings they are about $50-$60m less than where they were last year in terms of payroll? That is assuming Mark increases payroll a little bit.

[folly412]

some observations

 

1) softens the blow on loosing dubon, we now have a new SS of the future.

2) Arcia definitely doesn't have to be moved, but we now have insurance and a plan moving forward

3) something has to be up with the rotation, yes they got a starter back but seems like a classic #5 one and they have up a #3.

4) Can't move Braun to 1st anymore with the roster as it is, but its early so maybe still. You basically have 4 OF's with experience on the roster.

 

overall I approve of this.

 

One quibble. Urias is in a different stratosphere as a prospect than Dubon. This doesn't soften the blow. This is like being reborn.

 

Feels like getting a mulligan on Arcia rather than Dubon. Pulled him out of the time machine as a top prospect with the chance to be really good. Hopefully a different outcome this time. Overall seems like high risk, high reward. I'll trust Stearns and Co. on it.

[yfinn6]

I would think Urias' bat would improve with experience but also playing half his games in Miller Park.

[HarveysWBs]

Another unexplored angle here: what if the Brewers don't think Hiura can stick at 2nd? Is Urias part of their 2B plans? Are they considering a Hiura move to 1st (despite their messaging at the end of the year)? Corner OF? Trade?

 

Fire up the conjecture machine!