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Hader Super Two, eligible for arby this year

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Josh Hader won the NL Relief pitcher of the year award the last two years. He was an All-Star the last two years. Our GM called him the best reliever in the game. He is putting up strikeout numbers per nine that rival all-time bests in all of baseball. He filed for a tiny little bit more than Papelbon got 10 years ago.

 

What the heck are the Brewers thinking? Is is possible for the arbitrator to give Hader MORE than he asked for? It's a 100% slam dunk winning case for Hader.

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What the heck are the Brewers thinking? Is is possible for the arbitrator to give Hader MORE than he asked for? It's a 100% slam dunk winning case for Hader.

 

It really isn't a slam dunk ... no, an arbitrator cannot award more ... and this is how the system works. Arbitration and free agency are completely different systems.

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Josh Hader won the NL Relief pitcher of the year award the last two years. He was an All-Star the last two years. Our GM called him the best reliever in the game. He is putting up strikeout numbers per nine that rival all-time bests in all of baseball. He filed for a tiny little bit more than Papelbon got 10 years ago.

 

What the heck are the Brewers thinking? Is is possible for the arbitrator to give Hader MORE than he asked for? It's a 100% slam dunk winning case for Hader.

 

Papelbon pre-arby posted...

 

160 IP | 1.62 ERA (291 ERA+) | 72 SV | 193 K (192 K%+)

 

Compared to Hader pre-arby...

 

204 IP | 2.42 ERA (178 ERA+) | 49 SV | 349 K (197 K%+)

 

Josh has him beat on innings & raw K totals, though the difference isn't nearly as stark once you adjust for era with about a 16.8% league average K rate from 2005-07 compared to 22.3% for the last three years.

 

Obviously Papelbon has a pretty significant edge in both saves & ERA, which I imagine are the first two categories an arbitration panel considers.

 

Here's how they stack up by more advanced measures the panel probably won't consider much...

 

Jon: 8.2 rWAR | 5.3 fWAR | 9.57 WPA

Josh: 7.2 rWAR | 5.9 fWAR | 7.26 WPA

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Ron Robinson's Beard,

 

You were obviously a previous poster on this board, what was your name before the change?

 

Joey Meyer Bombs ... it's in my sig :)

 

ahhhh, my bad, I should have noticed that.

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Josh Hader won the NL Relief pitcher of the year award the last two years. He was an All-Star the last two years. Our GM called him the best reliever in the game. He is putting up strikeout numbers per nine that rival all-time bests in all of baseball. He filed for a tiny little bit more than Papelbon got 10 years ago.

 

What the heck are the Brewers thinking? Is is possible for the arbitrator to give Hader MORE than he asked for? It's a 100% slam dunk winning case for Hader.

 

This was an unforced error on the part of Stearns. Just offer Hader a four-year, $34 million deal - $4 million bonus, $7.5 million a year for 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023, with a mutual option for the 2024 and 2025 seasons of $10 million per year and a $6 million buyout.

 

$40 million guaranteed.

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Josh Hader won the NL Relief pitcher of the year award the last two years. He was an All-Star the last two years. Our GM called him the best reliever in the game. He is putting up strikeout numbers per nine that rival all-time bests in all of baseball. He filed for a tiny little bit more than Papelbon got 10 years ago.

 

What the heck are the Brewers thinking? Is is possible for the arbitrator to give Hader MORE than he asked for? It's a 100% slam dunk winning case for Hader.

 

This was an unforced error on the part of Stearns. Just offer Hader a four-year, $34 million deal - $4 million bonus, $7.5 million a year for 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023, with a mutual option for the 2024 and 2025 seasons of $10 million per year and a $6 million buyout.

 

$40 million guaranteed.

 

He just requested 6.4mil his first Arb. No way does he take a 1.1mil bump in 2020 for what will likely be a negative 2mil or more bump in 2021 and certainly beyond. Also gotta consider Hader and his group have to know the Brewers would trade him(as suggested) with becoming too expensive. That trade could be the Yankees(as suggested) who has the history of paying their RPs far more than 10mil in a season. If Im him, Im waiting for that LA or NY trade to and wait for a 5 to 7 year contract extension worth at or more than 100mil to avoid Arb 2 or 3 or the final year. Kenley Jennsen is making 20mil this year. Hader says Ill take my 6.4mil this year and make more next season. He's young superbly Elite for the position he's at. And a Super 2. Big time money is coming his way...all because of 1day. Had he not qualified for Super 2, and this was a pre-Arb year then your suggestion probably works.

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Teams are 4-1 over players this year in arb hearings. Probably has no bearing on Hader but interesting nonetheless.

 

Well being a small market team you know baseball wont want Hader to stay in Milw too long. Were just AAAA farm for the Yankees and Dodgers. Watch Hader win.

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I'd be a little surprised if Hader won this. Just look at Blake Treinen who in 2018 was coming off of a better year than Hader has ever had. In his 3rd year of arbitration he was given 6.4M. I mean Hader is younger and oddly has a longer track record than Blake did but that was arb 3 which means a lot. It is hard to say because the number that he probably should get is right in the middle of the two figures. But I think usually when that happens they side with the team.
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If he wants to hurt his own value being a sour puss and pitch lousy, I guess go ahead.
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Hader got a gift this year by being a super 2. Even at 4,1M its a substantial raise. I doubt he will be too upset

 

He's been asked about it a few times this offseason, and to his credit he's said the right things, i.e. he isn't worried about it, understands its a business, and isn't going to be mad whatever happens. Letting sour grapes lead to a negative impact on his performance would be a terrible business decision on his part.

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