Hader trade ideas

[mlloyd10]

Brewers get: Snell

Mets get: Hader

Raysget: Smith plus two of the following - Turang/Lutz/Houser

[Warning Track Power]

I still like the idea of trading Hader to the White Sox for a package centered around Andrew Vaughn. Perhaps Vaughn and Kopech for Hader with the Brewers throwing a low level prospect back Chicago's way. Vaughn's bat appears to have both AVG and power in it and would potentially solve 1B for the next decade.

[monkeyman343434]

Let's put a package together and take Jarred Kelenic from Seattle. Looks like Taylor Williams was Seattle's closer last year. Fixed that for them with Hader.

They lose T.Walker, need a SP.

That starting pitcher becomes Freddy Peralta.

 

This solves OF for Milw beyond Garcia. Cain gets replaced in future by Garret. Team saves over 6mil on payroll. Pairs a long term bat with Yelich.

 

Seattle has Kyle Lewis in CF. Sure they can move Kelenic to a corner OF but immediate team health Hader improves that bullpen by a wide margin. They also return Peralta under a cost controlled contract with modest upside.

 

Throw in 2 others from Seattle that are low level types. Austin Shenton fits a 3b get. And one of any number of pitching arms Sea has, that has the profile the club likes.

 

Seattle is not in any position to trade for Hader. Flat out just won't.

 

Great analysis. Just won't. I mentioned adding Peralta in order to get Kelenic. So what's holding them back? Just won't got it.

 

because teams coming off of a .450 winning percentage season following a 68 win season don't trade top top top end prospects for a closer already in arbitration.

[trwi7]

Great analysis. Just won't. I mentioned adding Peralta in order to get Kelenic. So what's holding them back? Just won't got it.

 

It doesn't need any analysis. Seattle is in the middle of a rebuild. They aren't trading their top prospect for a reliever that will be a free agent by the time they're contending. Pretty simple.

[brewcrewdue80]

Great analysis. Just won't. I mentioned adding Peralta in order to get Kelenic. So what's holding them back? Just won't got it.

 

It doesn't need any analysis. Seattle is in the middle of a rebuild. They aren't trading their top prospect for a reliever that will be a free agent by the time they're contending. Pretty simple.

 

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/11/offseason-outlook-seattle-mariners-11.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29

 

Flat out wrong. Hader very well should be a top target. Seattle is in a better position than the Brewers right now. In terms of payroll and cheap control on young hitters. Hader isn't a rental. He's an acceleration completing a rebuild.

 

Add Peralta and they pick up a swingman with upside. Seattle will get Mitch Haniger back playing. Evan White is mentioned in there. Lewis was mentioned apparently had 2020 Roy possibilities. JP Crawford was a top prospect awaiting his breakout. Look at the ages 24-27 up and down their roster. Seattle may turn in to Minnesota exploding with offense during 2021.

 

What does Seattle not have? A legit Closer.

 

The more you know.

 

PS, Stearns would hit a HR in acquiring a Wisconsin native to debut in Milw in 2021 bringing fans in the stands. Fans that would in no way be disgusted trading Hader with Kelenic coming back.

[trwi7]

He's an acceleration completing a rebuild.

 

They aren't anywhere close to completing a rebuild. What's hard to understand about that? They're currently 3 starting pitchers, a 1st baseman, 2nd baseman, maybe 3rd baseman given Seager's age, a corner outfielder, catcher and basically an entire bullpen short of completing their rebuild. So tell me how trading for Hader completes their rebuild.

[wntrtxn21]

Brewers get: Snell

Mets get: Hader

Raysget: Smith plus two of the following - Turang/Lutz/Houser

 

So you have the Brewers losing Hader, Turang, and Houser PLUS adding $41M to the payroll?

[monty57]

Brewers get: Snell

Mets get: Hader

Raysget: Smith plus two of the following - Turang/Lutz/Houser

 

So you have the Brewers losing Hader, Turang, and Houser PLUS adding $41M to the payroll?

 

I'd guess that if they wanted Snell, it would take at least that. I figure it would probably be Williams instead of Hader. I don't get how you see them adding $41M to payroll. Snell will make $11.1M this year, and if they did this trade, Hader's salary would be off the books, so they'd only add something like $5M to payroll.

[mlloyd10]

Brewers get: Snell

Mets get: Hader

Raysget: Smith plus two of the following - Turang/Lutz/Houser

 

So you have the Brewers losing Hader, Turang, and Houser PLUS adding $41M to the payroll?

 

Yes. 100%

 

When you figure that Hader will be $20 mil over that same time period.

[wntrtxn21]

I still like the idea of trading Hader to the White Sox for a package centered around Andrew Vaughn. Perhaps Vaughn and Kopech for Hader with the Brewers throwing a low level prospect back Chicago's way. Vaughn's bat appears to have both AVG and power in it and would potentially solve 1B for the next decade.

 

IF Kopech is ready to go it would be a pretty decent trade for the Crew. Kopech looked really good before the arm surgery. However he hasn't played in two years since he took 2020 off to recover. If he is right, that would give the Crew three potential top of the rotation type guys. Kopech would be the headliner of the trade. I think the jury is still out on Vaughn. With only one year to go by, he hasn't shown any power (6 HRs total) and only hit .253 at A level and .252 at high A ball. He is a high ranking prospect, but he needs to show better to deserve that high ranking.

[brewcrewdue80]

He's an acceleration completing a rebuild.

 

They aren't anywhere close to completing a rebuild. What's hard to understand about that? They're currently 3 starting pitchers, a 1st baseman, 2nd baseman, maybe 3rd baseman given Seager's age, a corner outfielder, catcher and basically an entire bullpen short of completing their rebuild. So tell me how trading for Hader completes their rebuild.

 

Okay. I'll lesson you on something called vision. Let's start with the lineup.

 

1b: Evan White. 1st rd 17th pick Signed a ML contract already buying out his 6year team control. Rookie jumping from AA for 2020. Was rated top 60 prospect to begin 2020. Covered way beyond Milwaukee's dreams.

2b:Seattle acquired Ty France to pair with Shed Long Jr. and likely replace Seager when gone. France has a 1.2+OPS in AAA in 2019 and batted above 800OPS in 2020 for SD and Sea. Long is a guy near 800OPS for his Minors career. Talking about 2b now.

SS: J.P. Crawford. A long running top 20 prospect as high as 6. Defensive wizard. Awaiting the bat to show up.

3b: Kyle Seager. Only player making dent in Seattle payroll. 9year played career 33BWAR Potential final year in contract

C: Tom Murphy is a former top 100 prospect, returns next season. Had an .858OPS(offense calling card) in 2019 Luic Torrens had a solid #2 catcher OPS just below 700 last season. Holding spot for Cal Raleigh a 3rd round pick in 2018 over 800OPS in minors. projected 2021 MLB callup.

CF: Kyle Lewis: mentioned near ROY 1st rd pick 11 in 2016. Former top 75 prospect. Breaking out in progress.

RF: Mitch Haniger: 10.5 BWAR in 350 games played. 827 career OPS Will be FA after 2022 season

LF: This is something to be addressed until adding Kelenic or Taylor Trammell to the position. That link if you bothered to read it, suggests FA signing of Marcell Ozuna. They have the payroll space to do so and LF solved.

DH: Another tbd. article mentions adding Nelson Cruz do so, problem solved.

 

Pitching

Marco Gonzales headlines. True TOR pitcher probably a #2 easy

Justus Sheffield in the process of breaking out, former top 50 prospect 3.74ERA in 10 starts

Yusei Kikuchi Japan Eastern League signing Ranked top 45 prospect upon it 2 years over 5ERA but had a 3.30 Fip last season. He'll become a FA if the team doesn't pick up his options after 2021. but have 4 options to do so say the Fip becomes his future ERA

Justin Dunn Former top 100 prospect/1st round #19 pick 14 games in to his career for a #4 pitcher on the team. 3.76 minors career ERA .6 HR/9 3/9 BB/K

#5-any number of players. I suggested in trade of Hader adding Freddy Peralta. Seattle had Logan Gilbert who appears fast-tracking to the majors.

 

RP: Insert Hader=Huge upgrade and 3 years control

Yohan Ramirez had a 2.61 ERA as rookie. Looks the swingman or better RP type

 

Actually looking at their 2020 RPs it looks like a large assortment of young inexperienced with not enough sample size to really determine what the pecking order is.

 

Either way lineup=set and better than Milwaukee's at the moment

Pitching A little behind Milwaukee's but that's just because how great Woodruff and Burnes are expecting to be.

RP: much worse than Milwaukee but can be back end solidified by a Hader acquisition in trade.

Prospects-numerous additions each of the next 2 seasons.

 

Seattle lost 1 more game than Milwaukee last season. Stearns rebuild took only 2 seasons, similar to where Seattle stands now.

 

Seattle can easily fill the holes to make a run beginning in 2021.

Oh and I see Kyle Lewis was actually named the AL ROY.

Closer is something I don't see Seattle possessing. Who will take over that role. Be a monster move to complete.

[markedman5]

Quit dreaming...... trwi is right......it isn’t happening.

 

If Hader gets dealt it won’t be to Seattle.

[nate82]

I don't believe Hader will be traded. The Yankees are more interested in Lindor and the Dodgers seem to be eyeing Arenado. That removes the two large market teams.

 

The White Sox are rumored to nor be interested in trading Vaughn that eliminates them as a possibility. The next teams on the list are the Padres, Blue Jays and the Braves.

 

I am not convinced the Padres will be serious in trading for Hader at least not until the deadline. That leaves the Braves and the Jays as possible suitors. I think we can eliminate the Jays for the same reason as the Padres. That leaves the Braves and that is not good unless somehow the Braves bid against themselves.

 

It just doesn't look likely Hader gets traded and if he does it will be a severely under valued trade.

[PeaveyFury]

 

Okay. I'll lesson you on something called vision.

 

Not the best way to start a post around here, just for the record.

[CheezWizHed]

There have been several condescending posts around the Seattle discussion. Please stop.

[PeaveyFury]

 

Okay. I'll lesson you on something called vision.

 

Not the best way to start a post around here, just for the record.

 

The 1st grade responses without any depth is something that dude has gotta learn. Clearly has no vision as do others here. Needs to be said so they can sit hack and stop playing checkers while guys play chess.

 

Not the best way to respond to warnings from multiple mods, just for the record.

[adambr2]

80, I believe you were the dude that said Bellinger for Braun wasn't nearly enough, if we're lecturing people on being visionaries and playing chess.

[Vollbc74]

Hader, Lutz, & Ray for Dominic Smith and JD Davis

 

Mets get their closer, 4th OF in Ray and future OF in Lutz. Sign Lemaheiu for 2B and move McNeil to 3B.

 

Brewers lock down 1B & 3B for the next 4 years. Hope that Mitchell is ready in 2 years to take over for Cain.

 

Cain (CF)

Hiura (2B)

Yelich (LF)

Davis (3B)

Smith (1B)

Garcia (RF)

Narvaez/Nottingham ©

Urias/Arcia (SS)

[brewerfan82]

I like it if the Mets like it! And I see it matches up *very* well in the trade simulator as well My concern would be 1.) I don't know that anyone really wants Ray, and 2.) I feel like Lutz gets thrown into a lot of these trades because the trade simulator might be overvaluing him so it gets that matchup to look better. That said, maybe I'm just undervaluing Lutz and the Mets see something they like in Ray and it makes for a great swap!

[adambr2]

I think that Mets proposal is extremely realistic and makes sense for both sides.

 

I'm also of the belief that Kelenic a pipe dream and that Seattle just isn't a great match. Peralta doesn't move the needle enough to get Kelenic even if they were interested.

 

IMHO anyone expecting any sort of king's ransom for Hader at this point is going to be massively disappointed. I just don't see it. The club control is dwindling and he's no longer cheap. It's not that he's not good. But that's just not enough anymore. You're telling me in this reliever market, when the Indians opted to let Brad Hand walk for zero compensation, rather than pay him $9M, we're going to get top prospects in exchange for the privilege to pay Hader what - 6, maybe 7M this year and then two more raises?

 

I don't buy it. Clubs don't want just good right now, they want cheap. I can see Devin Williams getting a lot of interest. Brandon Woodruff, Corbin Burnes, these guys have massive value. But I just don't think Hader does.

[PeaveyFury]

Hader, Lutz, & Ray for Dominic Smith and JD Davis

 

Mets get their closer, 4th OF in Ray and future OF in Lutz. Sign Lemaheiu for 2B and move McNeil to 3B.

 

Brewers lock down 1B & 3B

 

JD Davis is pretty horrendous in the field, so I’m not sure 3B is his future. They’d have to be sure that he’d profile elsewhere for this to really work.

[TURBO]

Hader, Lutz, & Ray for Dominic Smith and JD Davis

 

Mets get their closer, 4th OF in Ray and future OF in Lutz. Sign Lemaheiu for 2B and move McNeil to 3B.

 

Brewers lock down 1B & 3B for the next 4 years. Hope that Mitchell is ready in 2 years to take over for Cain.

 

 

 

Why would you think that Ray is good enough for the Mets 4th Ofer? He isn't even good enough to make our top 6 according to his playing time and shot to play in Milwaukee. Ray is never going to amount to a trade chip, he is just an obvious throw-in candidate.

 

Davis is a hack in the field, however I'd LOVE LOVE to get Smith.

[Eye Black]

I saw a proposal elsewhere that featured a Luke Voit for Josh Hader swap. Regardless of whether you think that’s even a realistic idea for either side, I am curious if others would be happy with that sort of trade from the Brewers’ perspective?

 

For the most part we’ve been thinking “years of control” as being younger players. Voit, who will be 30 just before the start of next season, is actually under team control one year longer than Hader (four more seasons through 2024).

[PeaveyFury]

I think Hader is our one major opportunity to acquire multiple players to fill the numerous holes on the roster. As such, I’d be disappointed with a one for one swap unless it was a comical video game type trade in the Brewers’ favor.

 

Voit’s bat is nice, but he’s also a disaster in the field, to the point where it eats up a chunk of his offensive value.

[nate82]

If I am trading with the Yankees I would want Dominguez in the deal and would leave Voit alone.

 

Something like

Hader and Pina to the Yankees

 

Dominguez, Andujar and Sanchez to the Brewers.

 

Narvaez and Nottingham become the catching platoon for the Brewers with Sanchez moving to 1B or DH probably DH and Andujar at 3B. This is betting heavily on Andujar and Sanchez becoming the players they were and not what they were last year. If they become what they were this is a monster deal that puts the Brewers as contenders in the NL if they are not at least there is a nice prospect in Dominguez to look forward to. I think this would be the best offer the Brewers could even dream about getting for Hader. I don't think it is at all likely the Yankees would even do this trade. Maybe a Pina/Narvaez for Sanchez/Andujar that trade could happen. I just don't believe there is all that much interest for Hader.

 

I believe the Brewers will have to wait until the deadline to get top value and that would be someone like Dominguez. The Brewers won't receive a MLB ready player in a Hader trade and it will be mostly a prospect laden deal. The only way the Brewers get MLB ready players back is if they do above and get some players who are down in value compared to what they have provided in the past. Basically if you want MLB ready talent get ready for a Overbay or Sexson type of a return.