Hader trade ideas

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'd just shoot the moon and send Hader, Phelps and Hiura to the Yankees for Clint Frazier, Jasson Dominguez, Clarke Schmidt and Deivi Garcia.

 

Next year, killer outfield of Yelich, Cain, Dominguez, Fraizer. Avi moves to DH

Can move on from Braun, plug Gyorko in at 2B and the starting pitching is stacked in waves with Woodruff, Burnes, Peralta, Houser, with Schmidt and Garcia coming. Devin Williams in at closer.

 

Jasson Dominguez is 17 years old. I get that he's a big time toolsy guy, but he isn't going to see the majors for at least 3 years.

 

I like Frazier as a secondary piece, but his OF defense is pretty bad, so his future might be as a DH, and I don't know if he'll ever hit enough to warrant that. Schmidt is a nice prospect that profiles as a mid-rotation starter. I see Garcia as a poor man's Freddy Peralta ... which could be good or bad.

[TURBO]

By no means do I give away Hader, but man it just feels like now is the time. There are such significant long-term holes on offense (1B, 3B, C, CF, RF) that I just don’t see why holding onto Hader makes sense. Definitely don’t settle but I would think he has more value traded than with the Brewers as currently constructed.

 

Catcher and any of the OF spots are actually covered rather well for the Brewers in the minors. Feliciano is a good catching prospect and there are a few others in the minors that have some promising futures.

 

As for the OF prospects they are further away as most are in the lower levels. First base and third base are the real problems but I think those can easily be solved in free agency. Justin Turner is a FA this off season and he could be a target for either 1B or 3B though he is on the older side. Profar is also a free agent this off season he could be someone to target for 3B.

 

If a Hader trade happens we should see two really good prospects added to the team.

 

1B and 3B can not and will not be solved easily in free agency. We don't/can't spend the money required to do so.

 

You think we will pony up the cash it will take to land Turner? I HIGHLY doubt it...

[wibadgers23]

I'd just shoot the moon and send Hader, Phelps and Hiura to the Yankees for Clint Frazier, Jasson Dominguez, Clarke Schmidt and Deivi Garcia.

 

Next year, killer outfield of Yelich, Cain, Dominguez, Fraizer. Avi moves to DH

Can move on from Braun, plug Gyorko in at 2B and the starting pitching is stacked in waves with Woodruff, Burnes, Peralta, Houser, with Schmidt and Garcia coming. Devin Williams in at closer.

 

Hader AND Hiura? What am I missing here?

[PeaveyFury]

If you want Andujar, way to ruin the team's future. He wasn't spectacular in the minors, and had a good not great year. Injured and terrible since. The Yankees can't wait to dump him on some team.

Dominguez hasn't even played a game after signing. 5'10" That's a project, not someone who will be on the team in next 2 seasons if at all. You may make that deal and up with Negative WAR from Andujar and a bust of a prospect for the best RP in the game. Kudos on that.

 

I do think you're being overly dismissive of just how good Andujar's "good not great year" really was. A 5-WAR season would instantly rate him as the second best bat on the entire Brewers roster, and legitimately WAS great. A lot of his value was sapped away due to crappy defense at third, which would be mitigated by the DH next year in the NL. You'd obviously have to think he was convertible to 1B and able to play competently there for it to be a match. But, it's impossible to ignore how ineffective he's been since that great season in 2018.

 

As such, I still don't think a deal with the Yankees is ideal or even feasible.

[Jopal78]

I'd just shoot the moon and send Hader, Phelps and Hiura to the Yankees for Clint Frazier, Jasson Dominguez, Clarke Schmidt and Deivi Garcia.

 

Next year, killer outfield of Yelich, Cain, Dominguez, Fraizer. Avi moves to DH

Can move on from Braun, plug Gyorko in at 2B and the starting pitching is stacked in waves with Woodruff, Burnes, Peralta, Houser, with Schmidt and Garcia coming. Devin Williams in at closer.

 

Hader AND Hiura? What am I missing here?

 

Hiura has struck out 46 times in 124 at bats this year, and 153 times in 486 at bats for his career. If the Brewers plan on a soft rebuild by trading Hader while his value is highest, they may as well trade Hiura while his value is highest before his poor defense and swing and miss tendencies crater his value.

 

Am I being facetious? Yes. Every player is "available" in a trade for "the right price". The odds that someone meets "the right price" in 2020 on Josh Hader, who despite a rough game on Saturday, remains arguably the most dominant relief pitcher in the major leagues is next to nil.

[PeaveyFury]

 

1B and 3B can not and will not be solved easily in free agency.

 

I disagree. I think they could pony up for a guy like Turner, but it's far more likely they're able to pull a 1B out of a hat as they have successfully done prior to this year.

[brewcrewdue80]

If you want Andujar, way to ruin the team's future. He wasn't spectacular in the minors, and had a good not great year. Injured and terrible since. The Yankees can't wait to dump him on some team.

Dominguez hasn't even played a game after signing. 5'10" That's a project, not someone who will be on the team in next 2 seasons if at all. You may make that deal and up with Negative WAR from Andujar and a bust of a prospect for the best RP in the game. Kudos on that.

 

I do think you're being overly dismissive of just how good Andujar's "good not great year" really was. A 5-WAR season would instantly rate him as the second best bat on the entire Brewers roster, and legitimately WAS great. A lot of his value was sapped away due to crappy defense at third, which would be mitigated by the DH next year in the NL. You'd obviously have to think he was convertible to 1B and able to play competently there for it to be a match. But, it's impossible to ignore how ineffective he's been since that great season in 2018.

 

As such, I still don't think a deal with the Yankees is ideal or even feasible.

 

If you look at Andujar's splits on that rookie season, Only the Mets&Rays does it look like he had an OPS over .775. The best stats were vs the Tank mode teams like Baltimore, White Sox, Blue Jays, Rangers, Mariners, Marlins. The split is .966 vs opponents under .500 and just .710 vs opponents above .500. Never mind that HR Derby ballpark in NY. 16HRs was his best HR season in the minors. 27 as a Yankee rookie was a fluke.

[PeaveyFury]

Again, certainly fair points. But it's worth noting that Miller Park only rates slightly behind Yankee stadium as HR-friendly, and Yankee Stadium is more friendly to LH power hitters vs. a righty like Andujar.

 

Minor League HR numbers aren't the best way to evaluate or predict power either, as Yelich never hit more than 15 HRs in any season in the minors, and his power developed just fine.

[PDCBalla]

Reports out there this morning that Brewers are far off on any Hader trades. Obviously things can change but I don't see that happening. Trade Phelps and Anderson together for a solid return and lets work towards 2021. Please someone give us a 3B of the future.

[shanedog19]

I really hope we move Hader today. I feel like teams are more willing to give up prospects during the season when they are in the thick of a playoff chase. Hader's velocity is down this year, and his value will never be higher than it is right now. I ask the teams that are in on Hader for their best and final offer and go with the highest offer.

[narwhalattack]

I really hope we move Hader today. I feel like teams are more willing to give up prospects during the season when they are in the thick of a playoff chase. Hader's velocity is down this year, and his value will never be higher than it is right now. I ask the teams that are in on Hader for their best and final offer and go with the highest offer.

 

Be careful what you wish for. You might end up with a much more mediocre haul than what you were expecting, even with that approach.

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

Yahnkees get Hader

Brewers get:

Andujar

Frazier

Gil (MLB ready)

Schmidt (MLB ready?)

+ One PTBNL

 

Urias 3B

Yelich LF

Frazier DH

Huira 2B

Andujar 1B

Garcia CF

Pina!/Narvaez/Nottingham C

Matias/Gamel/Braun RF

Arcia SS

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I really hope we move Hader today. I feel like teams are more willing to give up prospects during the season when they are in the thick of a playoff chase. Hader's velocity is down this year, and his value will never be higher than it is right now. I ask the teams that are in on Hader for their best and final offer and go with the highest offer.

 

Granted he was all over the place on Saturday, but he was hitting 96 on the gun. That's typically where he sits. Maybe hit 97 a few times last year, but 95-96 is his wheelhouse.

[sveumrules]

Between us still being in the postseason picture, the low likelihood that a team overpays drastically, the information gap among prospects being wider than ever with no minor league season and how much Stearns & company value information...I'm gonna go ahead & guess NO DEAL.

[narwhalattack]

 

Seems like the Padres are out of the Hader sweepstakes.

[Manty Brewer Fan]

 

Seems like the Padres are out of the Hader sweepstakes.

 

 

Maybe this is enough pressure applied to the Dodgers where they finally pony up lux for Hader?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Seems like the Padres are out of the Hader sweepstakes.

 

I think it's just the opposite, actually. They are obviously all in on challenging the Dodgers this year. They built up the talent in their farm system exactly for this reason, and now they are emptying it.

[narwhalattack]

 

Seems like the Padres are out of the Hader sweepstakes.

 

I think it's just the opposite, actually. They are obviously all in on challenging the Dodgers this year. They built up the talent in their farm system exactly for this reason, and now they are emptying it.

 

I'd imagine that they'd have to give up a king's ransom for Clevinger. I wonder if they even have enough left to get Hader.

[Warning Track Power]

Apparently it's Naylor and Quantrill + to Indians.

 

If you are David Stearns, would you do Hader for Gore straight up?

[wibadgers23]

Oh to be a Padres fan right now!

[narwhalattack]

Apparently it's Naylor and Quantrill + to Indians.

 

If you are David Stearns, would you do Hader for Gore straight up?

 

That's... actually a lot less than I expected. That still would leave their farm system intact. I wonder if Preller's been saving the guys at the top of the farm system with Hader in mind, knowing that he's gonna be the toughest nut to crack this time around.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Apparently it's Naylor and Quantrill + to Indians.

 

If you are David Stearns, would you do Hader for Gore straight up?

 

Naylor, Quantrill and Gabriel Arias to the Indians for sure, and likely more. Arias is a stud SS prospect, Quantrill has been very good out of the pen, and Josh Naylor is a 23-year-old former stud prospect. Deal also includes LHP Joey Cantillo,who is another stud pitching prospect.

 

Indians also get Owen Miller and Austin Hedges. WOW!

[wibadgers23]

Nobody from the top 5 in the Padres system. Must be nice to have a farm system that loaded.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Full deal is Clevinger, Greg Allen and PTBN to Padres; Quantrill, Arias, Cantillo, Hedges, Naylor and Miller to Indians.

 

Arias (#7), Cantillo (#9) and Miller (#11) all top prospects in Padres loaded system. Quantrill, Hedges and Naylor all talented, young MLB players.

[Manty Brewer Fan]

Apparently it's Naylor and Quantrill + to Indians.

 

If you are David Stearns, would you do Hader for Gore straight up?

 

Naylor, Quantrill and Gabriel Arias to the Indians for sure, and likely more. Arias is a stud SS prospect, Quantrill has been very good out of the pen, and Josh Naylor is a 23-year-old former stud prospect. Deal also includes LHP Joey Cantillo,who is another stud pitching prospect.

 

Indians also get Owen Miller and Austin Hedges. WOW!

 

Wow, that's a huge package of talent, but lacks the high caliber types. I like each spec and think they're all potentially starting caliber MLB players. Very interesting deal. I agree with others who mentioned I think this leaves Hader potentially in play especially the fact Quantrill is gone.