Hader trade ideas

[Brewcrewin07]

You MUST and I repeat MUST get AT LEAST one stud bat in return for Hader..none of this "projectable" garbage. MLB(proven) bat AND pitching.

[PeaveyFury]

You MUST and I repeat MUST get AT LEAST one stud bat in return for Hader..none of this "projectable" garbage. MLB(proven) bat AND pitching.

 

What's your proposal, then?

[Brewcrewin07]

You MUST and I repeat MUST get AT LEAST one stud bat in return for Hader..none of this "projectable" garbage. MLB(proven) bat AND pitching.

 

What's your proposal, then?

 

Depends on the team of course and I would have to look at some rosters, but since we are talking the Padres..I will go with them. Now people can laugh at this all they want, but remember, the Brewers are the team that is NOT obligated to deal Hader unless they get EXACTLY what they want. So in these situations, I ALWAYS aim for the best deal I can get, not willing to move off a player that has to be a centerpiece and if they say no, so be it. If they aren't willing to do it, oh well, no loss. But for the Padres, the deal STARTS with Tatis jr. Again, laugh all you want, but If a team wants a player badly enough, they meet your price or you just hold on to him. he still has 3 years of control left so enjoy the best reliever in baseball

[Brewcrewin07]

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

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Brewers are receiving inquiries on Josh Hader but are said making “no outbound calls” on the reliever they consider the best in the game. Characteristically they are willing to listen as they have been on everyone (not Yelich, but everyone else). Would take a haul to get Hader.

[markedman5]

 

Josh Hader has drawn interest from teams - Padres, Yankees, Dodgers, among others - but talks haven’t progressed much. The Brewers are listening, but the asking price remains very high for Hader, who is arbitration eligible for the next three years.

[Brewcrewin07]

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

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Brewers are getting tons of calls on hard-throwing RHP Corbin Burnes but have little inclination to trade him. More likely to possibly go: Brett Anderson and David Phelps, whose value is enhanced by having a contract with a team option for 2021

[markedman5]

Lol at Tatis jr

 

Asking for guys you will never in a million years get serves no purpose

[PeaveyFury]

But for the Padres, the deal STARTS with Tatis jr. Again, laugh all you want, but If a team wants a player badly enough, they meet your price or you just hold on to him. he still has 3 years of control left so enjoy the best reliever in baseball

 

Sorry, but that indicates that your value of Hader is off and pretty much assures that Hader is a Brewer for the next three years.

 

Put it another way, would you go back 2-3 years and trade a young, cost-controlled Yelich for Aroldis Chapman? That's basically what you have the Padres doing here.

[nate82]

Tatis Jr has more value than Hader does period end of story not going to happen.

[Brewcrewin07]

But for the Padres, the deal STARTS with Tatis jr. Again, laugh all you want, but If a team wants a player badly enough, they meet your price or you just hold on to him. he still has 3 years of control left so enjoy the best reliever in baseball

 

Sorry, but that indicates that your value of Hader is off and pretty much assures that Hader is a Brewer for the next three years.

 

Put it another way, would you go back 2-3 years and trade a young, cost-controlled Yelich for Aroldis Chapman? That's basically what you have the Padres doing here.

 

Remember what the Cubs gave up for Chapman?? The Brewers are said to be asking for MORE than what the Yankees got for Chapman. As far as your question goes..I'm a win now guy, I worry about the future when it comes, if I felt like I had decent enough depth to cover the loss of Tatis(heck throw them Arcia too if it makes them feel better) and I felt like Hader really pushed us over the edge for this year and in the end it wins us a world series, how does that deal look then?? No one in SD would be saying "but...we gave up Tatis". Hell no, they'd be reveling in winning the World Series after Hader k's 3 in the ninth to seal it. Then is giving up a cost controlled Yelich worth it for Chapman under your scenario?? Hard to say it's not. Think the Cubs regret it??

[PeaveyFury]

Remember what the Cubs gave up for Chapman??

 

Yeah, they received the #26 prospect in baseball at the time, who didn't make his MLB debut until two seasons later. There was no 'MLB proven talent' that headlined that deal.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Remember what the Cubs gave up for Chapman??

 

Yeah, they received the #26 prospect in baseball at the time, who didn't make his MLB debut until two seasons later. There was no 'MLB proven talent' that headlined that deal.

 

Plus, even though Torres was only 19 at the time of the deal, that package was still panned for the most part as a desperate overpay by the Cubs. Of course Chapman ended up being a big part of the team's WS title that year, so they would probably do it all over again, but how good would a middle infield of Torres and Baez look for the Cubs right now?

[JohnBriggs12]

Remember what the Cubs gave up for Chapman??

 

Yeah, they received the #26 prospect in baseball at the time, who didn't make his MLB debut until two seasons later. There was no 'MLB proven talent' that headlined that deal.

 

That deal was made at the trade deadline in 2016. At the end of 2016, Torres was consensus top 10 prospect and would make his debut in April 2018 barely over one season later. Besides Chapman was a two month rental. Hader has 3 full seasons of control after this year. Any team trading for Hader could in theory get nearly as much back by trading him again two years for now.

[MrTPlush]

Proposing Tatis Jr has to be close to getting banned. You have to just be trolling at that point.

 

The good news is the Padres have a slew of good prospects even if Gore isn’t an option.

[nate82]

Remember what the Cubs gave up for Chapman??

 

Yeah, they received the #26 prospect in baseball at the time, who didn't make his MLB debut until two seasons later. There was no 'MLB proven talent' that headlined that deal.

 

That deal was made at the trade deadline in 2016. At the end of 2016, Torres was consensus top 10 prospect and would make his debut in April 2018 barely over one season later. Besides Chapman was a two month rental. Hader has 3 full seasons of control after this year.

 

Still not worth Tatis Jr. as he has more value than Hader does to the Padres and overall. The trade I put together for Hader to the Padres of Abrams, Patino and Trammell blows the Chapman deal out of the water and causes a tsunami that creates the bay of Arizona. You are just not going to get Tatis Jr from the Padres it would be like asking the Brewers to trade Yelich for Cole it is just not happening. If you ask for Tatis Jr the Padres in their right would ask for Yelich and not add anything to the deal. If you want to do a Hader and Yelich for Tatis Jr sure that could work but not Hader for Tatis Jr. this wanting a proved MLB player is just weird but in the year of the weirdos I guess this is just normal.

[markedman5]

Tatis jr is worth more then Yelich straight up because of his salary control. He also plays a premium defensive position.

 

He is 2nd on the mlb trade value chart last time I looked.

[PeaveyFury]

Remember what the Cubs gave up for Chapman??

 

Yeah, they received the #26 prospect in baseball at the time, who didn't make his MLB debut until two seasons later. There was no 'MLB proven talent' that headlined that deal.

 

That deal was made at the trade deadline in 2016. At the end of 2016, Torres was consensus top 10 prospect and would make his debut in April 2018 barely over one season later.

 

Not true, actually, as he was #17 in the MLB list pre-2017, and #15 by BP. Still, a bit of an odd point to argue, as regardless he wasn't 'MLB-proven' talent in any way, shape, or form.

 

As nate suggested, a deal headlined by Gore or Patino/Abrams etc., would blow the Chapman trade out of the water.

[Brewcrewin07]

Proposing Tatis Jr has to be close to getting banned. You have to just be trolling at that point.

 

The good news is the Padres have a slew of good prospects even if Gore isn’t an option.

 

It's not trolling...Hader is an all star and the best reliever in the game(with 3 years of control yet). I am not under any circumstances taking any "well he could be" or "loaded with potential" type players(as the headliners) in exchange for him. That would be dereliction of duty on Stearns's part and he would deserve to be fired. I realize a lot of people here LOVE their prospects, But they are just that...prospects. Completely unproven at the MLB level. Hader is not unproven. They don't want to meet your price, oh well. You simply keep him. Trade him at another time.

[PeaveyFury]

They don't want to meet your price, oh well. You simply keep him. Trade him at another time.

 

That's pretty much where my response to your proposal ended up. Your personal perceived value guarantees that he stays a Brewer. As long as you're fine with that, then you can move on without need for more discussion, and it sounds like that's ok on your end as well.

[markedman5]

If they don’t want to meet your price then you trade him for prospects at another time.......

 

Which is fine......but when we do trade him it’s very likely it will be fir prospects.....not proven major league talent.

[Lathund]

Proposing Tatis Jr has to be close to getting banned. You have to just be trolling at that point.

 

The good news is the Padres have a slew of good prospects even if Gore isn’t an option.

 

If he's trolling he has been dedicated to this forum persona for many years now, because it sounds exactly like what he's been posting at every deadline that I've been on this board for. Impressive dedication to the bit if he's trolling, but I don't think he is.

[adambr2]

Yeah, you're not getting Tatis for Hader.

 

Torres was definitely a highly touted prospect when acquired, though.

 

I think your starting point in a deal with the Padres needs to be Abrams and Campusano just as a base minimum plus at least a couple B prospects. They'll ask for Gore, but won't get him.

[trwi7]

Padres appear to be getting Clevinger so they might not feel as much of a need for Hader and they have less to deal now even if they did.

[narwhalattack]

 

Padres might be landing Clevinger. Could take them out of the Hader sweepstakes if true.

[wibadgers23]

Yeah that about does it for San Diego. Maybe the White Sox or Dodgers swoop in and make a deal for Hader. Don’t have much confidence in the Twins.