Hader trade ideas

[JosephC]

No way would Severino been considered a part of this package. The Yankees were thin enough with starting pitching to begin with. If Severino is KO'ed for awhile, J.A. Happ is probably the #3 starter and it seemed like they wanted to dump him a couple months ago before Paxton and Severino went down.

[JosephC]

Rays get:

LHP-Josh Hader

 

Brewers get:

LHP-Jose Alvarado

RHP-Shane Baz

LHP-Shane McClanahan

RHP-Joe Ryan

3B-Kevin Padlo

[Fear The Chorizo]

Hader just blew his last two saves and seven in all for 2020. He wasn't that far away from being pulled from the 9th inning- the best reliever in baseball.

 

Yup. A dominant freak of a relief pitcher that has off days just like every other player in the game. If we had a manager who saw he was off and went to Lyles he might have had a hold. Biggest coaching pet peeve... putting people in position to fail or leaving them in position to fail.

 

Hader hit a batter that probably should have been a foul ball off the knob of his bat on a check swing, gave up a shattered bat hit that barely made the outfield, and walked Rendon on a 3-2 pitch. He then gave up a single to Soto and watched Grisham kick the ball away and guarantee 3 runs scoring on a routine single. Hader didnt strike out the side on 9 pitches like he has done on occasion, but he also wasn't getting shelled either. He didnt have good command but in all honesty he's the guy who got the brewers to that spot in the playoffs and the brewers should and did ride with him in that spot.

[RollieTime]

Just to throw another random proposal out there. I don’t think too many people have mentioned trades involving the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays have a totally revamped rotation and are looking to compete, so why not bring in the best reliever in the game to solidify their bullpen?

 

Blue Jays Receive:

LHP Josh Hader

SS Orlando Arcia

 

Brewers Receive:

2B Cavan Biggio

LHP Tim Mayza

RHP Alek Manoah

SS Orelvis Martinez

RHP Adam Kloffenstein

 

I think this deal tips in the Brewers’ favor, but would shoot for something close to this. I would at least still consider the deal if Kloffenstein were to be removed from the trade entirely, but if he is part of the return package, I think I would definitely pull the trigger on this.

 

Arcia is their stopgap option at second with Biggio heading to the Brewers. The Brewers would get Biggio for 6 years and Mayza would slot into the Brewers’ bullpen. All of Manoah, Martinez, and Kloffenstein are a couple years away from the big leagues, but are very highly regarded.

[nate82]

I don't see the Blue Jays trading away Biggio who is a part of that future for Hader. Would need to add something more than Arcia for them to trade Biggio in that deal probably something like Hiura and Hader.

[TURBO]

I'm assuming Biggio can play SS and 3B as well? If not, trading Hader for a position we have locked down makes no sense.

[wntrtxn21]

I don't see the Blue Jays trading away Biggio who is a part of that future for Hader. Would need to add something more than Arcia for them to trade Biggio in that deal probably something like Hiura and Hader.

 

Hader and Arcia might not be enough to make the deal, but Hader and Hiura would be a huge overpay as well. Biggio can play 1B, but he is basically a 2B/OF. Both positions that the Brewers have well covered. I can't imagine Stearns would want any part of this trade.

[RollieTime]

I'm assuming Biggio can play SS and 3B as well? If not, trading Hader for a position we have locked down makes no sense.

 

He has played some first and third and has dabbled in the outfield a little bit. I look at him as being a little redundant this season, but will have a clear path to everyday playing time in the future. I also look at it as insurance of if Hiura can’t remain at 2B and moves to 1B in the future (or DH possibly as early as 2021?). I’m not sure how he rates defensively in other positions, but he does have some experience in multiple spots.

 

They could always have him come over and put him in the minors to play 50 or so games at third or some other position that they feel he will play long term for Milwaukee. Otherwise he could be one of those guys that plays everyday, but moves around the diamond.

[brewcrewdue80]

I don't see the Blue Jays trading away Biggio who is a part of that future for Hader. Would need to add something more than Arcia for them to trade Biggio in that deal probably something like Hiura and Hader.

 

 

This may have merit. Toronto would then add Nate Pearson the current #8 prospect in baseball, RHP With 3games to his career at AAA. That would likely indicate an ability to pitch for Milw in 2020. Biggio takes over 2b and adds a higher OB, less HR/BA, better D, lower Avg than Hiura. Maybe we can toss in Brett Anderson or Lindblom.

[Warning Track Power]

Just curious, would anyone trade Josh Hader straight up for Forrest Whitley?

 

Assuming they are still good without the trash can banging, I see the Astros bullpen as the one area they could stand to improve.

[wntrtxn21]

Just curious, would anyone trade Josh Hader straight up for Forrest Whitley?

 

Assuming they are still good without the trash can banging, I see the Astros bullpen as the one area they could stand to improve.

 

Big NO. Not until Whitley proves he can get people out at the higher levels. Smaller samples but, he stunk at his first try at AA (14 ERs in 22 IPs - 19 walks - 1.63 WHIP) and was worse at AAA (35 hits allowed in 24 IPs - 33 ERs - 15 walks - 2.05 WHIP - 12.21 ERA). IF he can show something this year at AA and AAA then possibly at the break if the Crew is out of it, but not now.

[brewers888]

I don't know if teams will be willing to make big deals at the deadline this season but if they are we should look to move Hader. This team needs way more talent and cashing in on Hader is the way to get it. We all love the guy but what good is a reliever on a team with this bad of a lineup.

[Devinep]

If Hader is only gonna pitch like a closer in 2002 when there is a “save” stat to be had (which on this weak team is like once a week) they might as well trade him to a 21st century team that will be competitive and use him right

[Eye Black]

Here are the most realistic headliner prospects I would be interested in if the Brewers shop Hader. By realistic, I mean the range of what I think the Brewers could get for a headliner (approximately between #25th-#50th ranked prospect) and among teams that may have interest in Hader.

 

Alex Kirilloff, 1B/OF, Twins (#34 overall on MLB Pipeline)

 

Nolan Jones, 3B, Indians (#46 overall on MLB Pipeline)

 

Drew Waters, OF, Braves (#27 overall on MLB Pipeline)

[nate82]

I think the best trade for Hader has already passed the Brewers by. If they were going to get top value for him they would have had to do it this past off season. If they could have got May and another prospect for Hader from the Dodgers that would have been the ideal trade scenario.

 

Now I don't think the Brewers get any where near that type of a return. I believe only players on teams 60-man rosters can be traded this year that means you have to pick from those players only which kind of limits the return.

 

Here are the teams and players I think the Brewers could get:

 

(*) indicates MLB prospect ranking

 

Most likely trades

Dodgers RHP Josiah Gray (73)

Braves OF Drew Waters (27)

 

Unlikely trades

Rays LHP/DH Brendan McKay (14)

Reds LHP Nick Lodolo (52)

Padres SS CJ Abrams (26)

Indians 3B Nolan Jones (46)

 

 

The best trade partner would be the Padres and I don't think they are going to be looking for a relief pitcher but if they are you could possibly get SS CJ Abrams (26) and OF Taylor Trammell (61). That may even be an overpay for Hader for this year. I don't think there are going to be many teams bidding on Hader like you would see normally where you could get a little bit of a better prospect because a team becomes desperate.

 

I don't believe Stearns will trade Hader during this season because the value just won't be there and it will be selling Hader at a below market rate.

[pacopete4]

Seeing now that they are using Hader in a traditional closers role, I’d love if we traded him and get some great pieces in return. I thought he was going to be weaponized a bit more than he’s being used. Can always go find a closer. It’s not like he’s lights out in that role anyways.

[PeaveyFury]

Seeing now that they are using Hader in a traditional closers role, I’d love if we traded him and get some great pieces in return. I thought he was going to be weaponized a bit more than he’s being used. Can always go find a closer. It’s not like he’s lights out in that role anyways.

 

I think this is a very good take if this is the plan going forward. I'm holding out hope that when Knebel gets back to form, they'll go back to using Hader in the role they did in 2018 when he was soooooo useful.

[SomewhereInTime]

Seeing now that they are using Hader in a traditional closers role, I’d love if we traded him and get some great pieces in return. I thought he was going to be weaponized a bit more than he’s being used. Can always go find a closer. It’s not like he’s lights out in that role anyways.

 

I think this is a very good take if this is the plan going forward. I'm holding out hope that when Knebel gets back to form, they'll go back to using Hader in the role they did in 2018 when he was soooooo useful.

 

I get the feeling this is part of a plan to limit early season usage given how many double headers there may be to come, how few off days there are on the schedule, and the longer post season.

[pacopete4]

We have played 13 games this year and we have seen Hader pitch in 3 innings. Limiting his innings has sure happened. Might as well not be on the team at this point.

[Devinep]

We have played 13 games this year and we have seen Hader pitch in 3 innings. Limiting his innings has sure happened. Might as well not be on the team at this point.

 

That is beyond stupid and indefensible on counsell’s part.

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

I think Hader still gets two top ten prospects (with one being a MLB ready pitcher) plus a lottery ticket or two.

 

Braves- Drew Waters OF and Bryce Wilson P (Pache?)

Dodgers- Tony Gonsolin P and Kody Haese 3B (I'd ask for Lux)

Padres- Taylor Trammell OF and Michael Baez P (Loaded farm system)

Indians- Danny Espino P and George Valera IF

A's- AJ Puk P and Sheldon Nuese 3B (I really like this trade)

Yahnkees- Devi Garcia P and Estavan Florial OF

White Sox- Andrew Vaughn 1B and Dane Duenes P

Twins- Alex Kirilloff 1B/OF and Jhoan Dura P

[reillymcshane]

Using the Andrew Miller trade a few years ago as a comp, I think a top #25-40 type player, and an upper top 100 guy (#75-100), plus a couple of lesser guys, would represent a realistic return.

 

With so many teams making the playoffs, you might be able to create a bidding war at this year's deadline.

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

I should have clarified. Top ten per team, not top ten in MLB. He is not getting anyone's #1.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I think Hader still gets two top ten prospects (with one being a MLB ready pitcher) plus a lottery ticket or two.

 

Braves- Drew Waters OF and Bryce Wilson P (Pache?)

Dodgers- Tony Gonsolin P and Kody Haese 3B (I'd ask for Lux)

Padres- Taylor Trammell OF and Michael Baez P (Loaded farm system)

Indians- Danny Espino P and George Valera IF

A's- AJ Puk P and Sheldon Nuese 3B (I really like this trade)

Yahnkees- Devi Garcia P and Estavan Florial OF

White Sox- Andrew Vaughn 1B and Dane Duenes P

Twins- Alex Kirilloff 1B/OF and Jhoan Dura P

 

Braves - Nope, I don't trust anyone in that system, especially pitchers. Overhyped.

Dodgers - That would be a good deal, Gonsolin and Haese are studs. Not gonna get Lux though.

Padres - Intriguing,

Indians - Nope ... not real interested in either of those guys

A's - I agree, love that deal.

Yankees - There isn't a pole long enough for me to touch that deal with. Garcia is their #1 by default, but the system sucks. He's a very poor man's Freddy Peralta. And Florial seems like he must be about 30, he's been on prospect lists for so long.

White Sox - I like that one.

Twins - That is an intriguing one too.

 

Nice job on these!

[reillymcshane]

I think Hader still gets two top ten prospects (with one being a MLB ready pitcher) plus a lottery ticket or two.

 

Braves- Drew Waters OF and Bryce Wilson P (Pache?)

Dodgers- Tony Gonsolin P and Kody Haese 3B (I'd ask for Lux)

Padres- Taylor Trammell OF and Michael Baez P (Loaded farm system)

Indians- Danny Espino P and George Valera IF

A's- AJ Puk P and Sheldon Nuese 3B (I really like this trade)

Yahnkees- Devi Garcia P and Estavan Florial OF

White Sox- Andrew Vaughn 1B and Dane Duenes P

Twins- Alex Kirilloff 1B/OF and Jhoan Dura P

 

Braves - Nope, I don't trust anyone in that system, especially pitchers. Overhyped.

Dodgers - That would be a good deal, Gonsolin and Haese are studs. Not gonna get Lux though.

Padres - Intriguing,

Indians - Nope ... not real interested in either of those guys

A's - I agree, love that deal.

Yankees - There isn't a pole long enough for me to touch that deal with. Garcia is their #1 by default, but the system sucks. He's a very poor man's Freddy Peralta. And Florial seems like he must be about 30, he's been on prospect lists for so long.

White Sox - I like that one.

Twins - That is an intriguing one too.

 

Nice job on these!

I am not a fan of the Yankee system either. Guys are okay. We'd love to have them - but not for an elite talent like Hader.