Hader trade ideas

[MilwaukeeBeers]

If you’re not getting a blue chip guy you don’t pull the trigger. Simple as that.

[packer822]

Luis Gil and Clarke Schmidt

[82brewcrew82]

Luis Gil and Clarke Schmidt

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[reillymcshane]

I guess I'm a bit perplexed why so many seemingly would be okay with just getting a package of prospects for Josh?? To me, you have to get something at least as impactful or more than Josh is for the current team. I really think if DS traded Josh for nothing more than a package of prospects, no matter how good they MAY become, he would get crucified, and probably rightly so. You can't subtract a piece like that from the current team, and not get an immediate impact back. That would be tough to explain I think.

I think the big thing is that if it is a package of prospects, you need to get at least one player to be a major contributor in 2020. Gavin Lux is an example. Or Dustin May. Both are still prospects, but both would likely step into the lineup from day one.

 

It is a huge risk. You trade a guy who is arguable the best at what he does in baseball (albeit, a reliever, which has its limitations) -- you want to get back someone you feel will be special - and soon.

[reillymcshane]

I'm skeptical of an Andujar/Frazier package as Andujar is limited defensively, and Frazier doesn't really have a place in the lineup if we get him.

 

Garcia, Yelich, Cain, Braun (and Gamel, for what it's worth) is a pretty set group. If Stearns really had Frazier in his sights, you would have thought he wouldn't have signed Garcia.

 

As for Andujar -- perhaps Stearns is willing to overlook the defensive flaws (which are not small). But that seems unlikely. And let's not forget, the guy is coming off shoulder surgery. He had a tear in the labrum in his right shoulder. I'm not sure if there's any potential issue there going forward. We would have to feel comfortable with Andujar's rehab before anything is done.

 

No matter, we should hold out for something really special for Hader. I don't want to trade him just to re-stock the farm system or to get a couple of average players. He's a unique weapon, and someone should have to pay up if they want him.

[packer822]

gil….yankees 4th and Schmidt 5th best prospects.....both pitchers

[brewcrewdue80]

@MLBMarathon just posted this

 

Hader for Andujar and Frazier being discussed. #Brewers seeking one more top prospect to finish the deal. Cashman being a tough negotiator. #Yankees #MLB

 

Thks dude has to read this forum and is trolling me. Hours after my rant against these two to post this. My head is going to explode if this is the deal even if Dominguez is the prospect final piece. Dodgers could offer May and that already blows away this offer. And why wouldnt they if this is what Stearns would take back for Hader. Straight up this is a I Hate you move on Stearns end to take that proposal.

[A Swing and A Drive]

My take after reading the last ten pages is that Brewer fans didn’t want to gift wrap Josh Hader to the Yankees this Christmas!

 

Lol

 

And rightfully so.

 

Josh Hader will be a Brewer in 2020.

[patrickgpe]

the brewers gave up alot to get yelich, and 2 years later its obvious it wasn't nearly enough. Stearns needs to remember that before making any trade.

[Luke99]

I get Hader is a stud. One of the best relievers in baseball, but there is a reason we are possibly looking to trade him. Getting more expensive. Was more hittable last year, funky delivery, only impacts 70 -80 innings a year. The reason we would trade him are also known to the teams acquiring him. It seems to me that most around here are looking for a package for a reliever without risk and Hader has risk. If you can trade a reliever for everyday pieces, starting pitching, etc, to me it's smart business to do it. That said Andujar, Frazier, plus a prospect doesn't do it for me. I like Frazier but where does he play, unless you have a deal lined up for Cain but then who the hell plays center. I don't see the frazier aspect, unless he is instantly flipped.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I get Hader is a stud. One of the best relievers in baseball, but there is a reason we are possibly looking to trade him. Getting more expensive. Was more hittable last year, funky delivery, only impacts 70 -80 innings a year. The reason we would trade him are also known to the teams acquiring him. It seems to me that most around here are looking for a package for a reliever without risk and Hader has risk. If you can trade a reliever for everyday pieces, starting pitching, etc, to me it's smart business to do it. That said Andujar, Frazier, plus a prospect doesn't do it for me. I like Frazier but where does he play, unless you have a deal lined up for Cain but then who the hell plays center. I don't see the frazier aspect, unless he is instantly flipped.

 

Those 70-80 innings per year are spread out over a very high percentage of likely brewer wins in late game, high leverage situations. Hader pitching those innings also frees up other relievers to be more effective, and often allows for starters to only need to get 15-18 outs before getting removed from a game. His impact benefits the entire staff way beyond 70-80 IP.

 

This proposal sounds like something yankee followers and beat writers come up with that jettisons some of their own extra pieces and magically returns a stud to fill one of their few mlb roster holes. Sorry, just not buying that as a fit unless Gleyber Torres replaces Frazier on the trade package.

[wibadgers23]

A lot of these rumors on Twitter seem to be Yankees fans trying to speak a Hader trade into existence.

[sveumrules]

This proposal sounds like something yankee followers and beat writers come up with that jettisons some of their own extra pieces and magically returns a stud to fill one of their few mlb roster holes.

 

The Yankees had a top 3 bullpen in all of MLB last year & from what I can tell, all the top guys (Chapman, Ottavino, Britton, Green, Kahnle) are coming back in 2020.

 

They don't really need Hader.

 

The names floated so far seem to reflect that.

 

I don't think any of the smarter teams (& especially the ones that are rich to boot) really need Hader to the extent that they'd overpay (in their estimation) by including an elite young position player or prospect like Gleyber or Lux, because they understand that even an elite reliever like Hader is still incredibly volatile & (unless you magically turn him into a starter) is already at his peak value, where guys like Gleyber or Lux have both more control & much higher ceilings than Josh.

[Brewcrewin07]

@MLBMarathon just posted this

 

Hader for Andujar and Frazier being discussed. #Brewers seeking one more top prospect to finish the deal. Cashman being a tough negotiator. #Yankees #MLB

 

DS must be feeling like he has to play Santa this holiday season..he's gift wrapping Josh to the Yankees. IF there is ANY truth to an Andujar/Frazier deal at all, all I can say is DS must REALLY REALLY REALLY want to trade Josh, or I should say give him away.

[homer]

All these rumors are just that...rumors. And from some rather iffy sources to boot. I am not putting stock into any of the one involving specific players.

[mattyo]

@MLBMarathon just posted this

 

Hader for Andujar and Frazier being discussed. #Brewers seeking one more top prospect to finish the deal. Cashman being a tough negotiator. #Yankees #MLB

 

 

Hahahah "Cashman being a tough negotiator". How much more obvious can it get that this is a load of crap?

[mattyo]

I get Hader is a stud. One of the best relievers in baseball, but there is a reason we are possibly looking to trade him. Getting more expensive. Was more hittable last year, funky delivery, only impacts 70 -80 innings a year. The reason we would trade him are also known to the teams acquiring him. It seems to me that most around here are looking for a package for a reliever without risk and Hader has risk. If you can trade a reliever for everyday pieces, starting pitching, etc, to me it's smart business to do it. That said Andujar, Frazier, plus a prospect doesn't do it for me. I like Frazier but where does he play, unless you have a deal lined up for Cain but then who the hell plays center. I don't see the frazier aspect, unless he is instantly flipped.

 

 

Based on what? This has been erroneously stated in this thread multiple times. There are no legitimate sources saying we are possibly looking to trade Hader. There are reputable sources saying Stearns is "willing to listen" on him, just as Stearns has been reported to be willing to listen on any single one of our players over the course of his tenure. Its his M.O. and that is a good thing. Doesn't mean we are looking to trade him, and certainly doesn't mean we are looking to trade him for Yankee spare parts like these anonymous twitter accounts would like their followers (and members of this forum) to think.

[baumer16]

I get Hader is a stud. One of the best relievers in baseball, but there is a reason we are possibly looking to trade him. Getting more expensive. Was more hittable last year, funky delivery, only impacts 70 -80 innings a year. The reason we would trade him are also known to the teams acquiring him. It seems to me that most around here are looking for a package for a reliever without risk and Hader has risk. If you can trade a reliever for everyday pieces, starting pitching, etc, to me it's smart business to do it. That said Andujar, Frazier, plus a prospect doesn't do it for me. I like Frazier but where does he play, unless you have a deal lined up for Cain but then who the hell plays center. I don't see the frazier aspect, unless he is instantly flipped.

 

 

Based on what? This has been erroneously stated in this thread multiple times. There are no legitimate sources saying we are possibly looking to trade Hader. There are reputable sources saying Stearns is "willing to listen" on him, just as Stearns has been reported to be willing to listen on any single one of our players over the course of his tenure. Its his M.O. and that is a good thing. Doesn't mean we are looking to trade him, and certainly doesn't mean we are looking to trade him for Yankee spare parts like these anonymous twitter accounts would like their followers (and members of this forum) to think.

 

What’s the difference between possibly looking to trade Hader and “willing to listen?” Also if he’s willing to listen on any player like you say how come we haven’t heard anything about teams trying to trade for Yelich? Cause that seems like someone teams would love to trade for.

 

Point is there is a lot of smoke here in regards to Hader. Including Heyman even mentioning it. That doesn’t mean it will happen and we don’t need to believe a lot of these random Twitter people but to me it seems like something is indeed going on. We shall see

[True Blue Brew Crew]

It's not hard to decipher Luke's point about the potential reason the Brewers might be looking to sell on Hader when the words he used include "possibly looking to trade him".

 

One of the ongoing issues in this topic is people taking offense to anyone even offering an opinion as to why the Brewers could be shopping Hader or why it could be a winning move. There's a whole lot of shoot the messenger going on in here. If people can't opine on the rationale behind potentially trading Hader and how it could work out, then what's the point of this forum?

[3and2Fastball]

If people can't opine on the rationale behind potentially trading Hader and how it could work out, then what's the point of this forum?

 

To freak out about Yuni B, Mark Kotsay in CF, Counsell’s love for Sogard, and Bill Hall for President of Earth?

[True Blue Brew Crew]

No one is in here guaranteeing Hader is going to be traded and no one is guaranteeing it will work out if they do. People are simply trying to decipher the expected return and why it might not take as much as some people expect. Snapping at anyone who does so is highly unnecessary.

[young guns]

What’s the difference between possibly looking to trade Hader and “willing to listen?” Also if he’s willing to listen on any player like you say how come we haven’t heard anything about teams trying to trade for Yelich? Cause that seems like someone teams would love to trade for.

I dont have a link, but I know it has been reported that yelich is the one(possibly one of two, but I cant remember the other name) player we are not open to trading for the right price.

[patrickgpe]

really yelich should be the only one, but if there is 2 i'd guess its Hiura.

[Mudville9]

...or Woodruff

[clancyphile]

What’s the difference between possibly looking to trade Hader and “willing to listen?” Also if he’s willing to listen on any player like you say how come we haven’t heard anything about teams trying to trade for Yelich? Cause that seems like someone teams would love to trade for.

I dont have a link, but I know it has been reported that yelich is the one(possibly one of two, but I cant remember the other name) player we are not open to trading for the right price.

 

Yelich is the only one who is off-limits for sure.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about that. On the one hand, he is unique. On the other hand, if a team was offering a massive overpay for Yelich (say the Yankees offer Torres, Urshela, Stanton, Severino, and Sanchez), I'd be willing to listen, even if it's to say, "Thanks, but no."

 

So, practically, I would have Yelich on a "not available for trade" list, but theoretically, there are packages I'd take for him. I doubt any GM would be willing to make them.

 

Hiura may be almost on that list. I'd take him even up for Torres, but would the Yankees bite?