Hader trade ideas

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Miguel Andujar and Clint Frazier... (basically red headed Brinson) *Inserts getting sick emoji. May match up in WAR but again that’s a terrible stat to assess the value of a RP.

 

If someone said they either expect that return or that they'd be ok with it, please quote it so I can laugh at it along with you.

Mainly some subtle shots at what I saw on “Yankees” twitter. Feel free to peruse that cesspool lol. I do find any idea of the Brewers “overvaluing” him laughable though. It’s just playing devil’s advocate as evidenced by previous deals involving elite relievers.

 

I've seen even more ridiculous Yankee fan proposals than that. I wouldn't take it to heart because Stearns would never do it. The best (worst) one I've seen so far was...

 

Hader for JA Happ and Clint Frazier

 

I found no need to get into an exchange with that person. You can't reason with dumb.

[Oxy]

Why would someone trade a TOR starter for Hader? Most TOR type pitchers would be RP aces if played there.

 

They wouldn't, unless he's overpaid.

 

I think the Astros are a better match than the Yankees. They've got young talent all over the place...and veteran talent all over the place. Try for something like McCullers, Yuli Guerriel, Tyler Ivey and Abraham Toro.

[clancyphile]

At minimum if I'm not getting a TOR starter back, I damn well better be getting an All star bat back. Hader was an all star, you should expect to give one up.

 

Jeff McNeil was an All-Star last year. He's been mentioned in this thread as a potential target. He'd be a solid fit at 3B I think. 27 years old, and broke out in a huge way last year power wise. The high-contact bat has always been there. He's be a nice part of a package.

 

As one of the more vocal advocates for getting McNeil, I would also note that Citi's multi-year park factor in 2019 was 92 hitting/92 pitching.

 

Consider this: The multi-year park factor for Marlins Park that same year was 94 hitting/96 pitching.

 

Miller Park's multi-year factors are 101/101.

 

What did the shift in parks do for Yelich? He went from solid outfielder with an .800 career OPS in Miami to one whose OPS in Milwaukee is 1.046.

 

McNeil's career OPS is .896. If he has the same sort of jump (246 OPS points)... that puts him in Yelich territory. Potential MVP. Under team control through 2025, per Baseball-Reference.

 

Worth Hader one-for-one. And I bet the Crew could also get J.D. Davis as well in the deal.

[sveumrules]

31 year old Andrew Miller with 1.5 years of control netted Clint Frazier and Justus Sheffield two then top ranked, highly lauded prospects and two other nice fliers at the time.

 

A half year of Chapman for Gleyber freaking Torres

 

Edwin Diaz plus an albatross contract in Cano went for Jared Kelenic and Justin Dunn which is again two top 100 guys. Kelenic will be sniffing the top end of that list soon enough just an absolute stud.

 

Coming into 2016 Frazier was ranked between #27-53 by BA/MLB/BPro, Sheffield was #81 per BA & unranked by the other two sources.

 

Kelenic was ranked between #56-68 by BA/MLB/BPro before being dealt, Dunn was #91 per MLB & unranked by the other sources.

 

None of those guys were anywhere near the level of prospect that Lux or Adell are.

 

Torres is the only elite, top 10 level prospect traded for a reliever in recent history & that was a very unique case & is universally regarded as an extreme overpay. I don't see any teams lining up to repeat that mistake, but again, would love to be proven wrong.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

I've seen even more ridiculous Yankee fan proposals than that. I wouldn't take it to heart because Stearns would never do it. The best (worst) one I've seen so far was...

 

Hader for JA Happ and Clint Frazier

 

I found no need to get into an exchange with that person. You can't reason with dumb.

 

I saw one yesterday that floated Happ and Andujar for Hader, but that the Brewers would have to add a "package" of prospects because Hader wouldn't be enough

[82brewcrew82]

I mean, Stearns told us after the arb deadline, and they non tendered everyone that they "plan on being competitive" this next year, right?? So to me, you can't on Decemeber 12th, change that statement, and be able to sell it. If you say it, you better mean it. Walking it back would be incredibly challenging. Now yes, it's December 12th, but can ANY of us right now at this moment, say the Brewers look like they intend to contend?? Yes, there's time left, but in regards to trading Hader, if you trade him, and don't get back major league ready pieces, that will impact the MLB team now(again, remember he stated they plan to be competitive), then didn't DS lie to everyone about being competitive this year?? If you trade a KEY component of your MLB team, you have to replace it with at least one Major league piece, equal or better then what you gave up, or the whole statement about contending, is hog wash, right??

What!?!? Why is December 12th the cutoff for having a contending team? Are we not aloud to improve the team after today? Who is saying they aren't trying to compete? How is making the moves they have made not trying to compete? I think I'll trust DS to decide what the appropriate value is for Hader.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

 

I've seen even more ridiculous Yankee fan proposals than that. I wouldn't take it to heart because Stearns would never do it. The best (worst) one I've seen so far was...

 

Hader for JA Happ and Clint Frazier

 

I found no need to get into an exchange with that person. You can't reason with dumb.

 

I saw one yesterday that floated Happ and Andujar for Hader, but that the Brewers would have to add a "package" of prospects because Hader wouldn't be enough

 

Aside from the delusion of Mets, Yankees, and Dodgers fanbases, another phenomena I'm noticing is the sudden acceptance of Hader's old tweets as that of an immature teenager. Just need a rumor linking him to every team in the league and all of baseball will have forgiven him.

[Brewcrewin07]

I mean, Stearns told us after the arb deadline, and they non tendered everyone that they "plan on being competitive" this next year, right?? So to me, you can't on Decemeber 12th, change that statement, and be able to sell it. If you say it, you better mean it. Walking it back would be incredibly challenging. Now yes, it's December 12th, but can ANY of us right now at this moment, say the Brewers look like they intend to contend?? Yes, there's time left, but in regards to trading Hader, if you trade him, and don't get back major league ready pieces, that will impact the MLB team now(again, remember he stated they plan to be competitive), then didn't DS lie to everyone about being competitive this year?? If you trade a KEY component of your MLB team, you have to replace it with at least one Major league piece, equal or better then what you gave up, or the whole statement about contending, is hog wash, right??

What!?!? Why is December 12th the cutoff for having a contending team? Are we not aloud to improve the team after today? Who is saying they aren't trying to compete? How is making the moves they have made not trying to compete? I think I'll trust DS to decide what the appropriate value is for Hader.

 

You didn't understand what i was saying...with what they have right now, on December 12th, NO ONE can say it's obvious they are truly contending next year, they don't have a 3B, they don't have a 1B, and haven't done anything to get a #2 starter. Then I also said it's also only December 12th(meaning it's early yet).

 

I'm not sure how anyone can say right now that the moves they have made TO THIS POINT indicate they are trying to contend next year. Again, there is no 1B, no 3B, no #2 starter. Once those positions are filled and we can assess it more clearly, then we can make a determination if they are truly trying to contend. But with the moves they have made TO DATE(still moves to come certainly), NO ONE can honestly say they are trying to contend, unless they are just trying to convince themselves of that.

[RollieTime]

Here’s the thing WAR isn’t the end all be all when it comes to assessing a player’s value especially a RP. Look at what the trade market has dictated most recently with elite relievers and tell me again we’re overvaluing Hader which is just a laughable statement, and this is coming from someone that thinks dealing him is a good idea. Some examples of the trade market for said elite relievers. Feel free to add any recent comparable ones I might have missed

 

31 year old Andrew Miller with 1.5 years of control netted Clint Frazier and Justus Sheffield two then top ranked, highly lauded prospects and two other nice fliers at the time.

 

A half year of Chapman for Gleyber freaking Torres

 

Edwin Diaz plus an albatross contract in Cano went for Jared Kelenic and Justin Dunn which is again two top 100 guys. Kelenic will be sniffing the top end of that list soon enough just an absolute stud.

 

So forgive me for saying you guys are absolutely nuts to accept a package of anything less than the moon for a guy that is; 25 years old, has won NL reliever of the year twice in a row, cost controlled for 4 years, perfect for the modern game, strikeouts guys at a rate unmatched by few in the history of baseball. Miguel Andujar and Clint Frazier... (basically red headed Brinson) *Inserts getting sick emoji. May match up in WAR but again that’s a terrible stat to assess the value of a RP. With that package Cashman kind kindly you know what himself. Jasson Dominguez would have to be part of the deal if that’s the frame of it and idk if that does enough for Stearns. He’s not dumb he understands value. If he’s not getting a king’s ransom now NY can always call back in July.

 

Thank you. The Brewers will be getting a haul for Hader if he is moved. I think it basically starts with a top 10 prospect. Or a couple guys in the top 30 or so. Plus a couple other high end talents.

 

How about this:

 

Angels Receive:

LHP Josh Hader

 

Brewers Receive:

OF Jo Adell

OF Brandon Marsh

RHP Jose Soriano

RHP Griffin Canning

 

Adell is a top 5 prospect that could realistically be Braun’s replacement after 2020. Marsh has shown well in AA and could be looking at starting in AAA and possibly making an MLB impact in 2020.

 

Soriano dominated in A ball this season and throws upper 90’s with room to grow. He has the makings of being a nice rotation arm in a few years. Canning performed fairly well in his first taste of MLB this season and was a former top 100 prospect (in the 70 range). He will slot into our rotation right away and give us the upside of being a high end #2 pitcher that we will control for 6 years.

[82brewcrew82]

You didn't understand what i was saying...with what they have right now, on December 12th, NO ONE can say it's obvious they are truly contending next year, they don't have a 3B, they don't have a 1B, and haven't done anything to get a #2 starter. Then I also said it's also only December 12th(meaning it's early yet).

No, I get it. I just don't think your point makes any sense. There is absolutely nothing that says DS has to appease your need to feel the team is built as a contender on December 12th. Nothing. So yes, if they say they are trying to compete I 100% believe they are trying to compete. The problem is you have an antiquated concept of what that means for this team so you aren't ever going to accept that the roster is competitive. No matter how often the team is, in reality, competitive much as they have been for essentially three years running. So yes, acquiring a viable catcher, improving the SS position and bringing in starting pitching tells me they are trying to compete. None of those moves were necessary to not compete.

[RollieTime]

Here’s the thing WAR isn’t the end all be all when it comes to assessing a player’s value especially a RP. Look at what the trade market has dictated most recently with elite relievers and tell me again we’re overvaluing Hader which is just a laughable statement, and this is coming from someone that thinks dealing him is a good idea. Some examples of the trade market for said elite relievers. Feel free to add any recent comparable ones I might have missed

 

31 year old Andrew Miller with 1.5 years of control netted Clint Frazier and Justus Sheffield two then top ranked, highly lauded prospects and two other nice fliers at the time.

 

A half year of Chapman for Gleyber freaking Torres

 

Edwin Diaz plus an albatross contract in Cano went for Jared Kelenic and Justin Dunn which is again two top 100 guys. Kelenic will be sniffing the top end of that list soon enough just an absolute stud.

 

So forgive me for saying you guys are absolutely nuts to accept a package of anything less than the moon for a guy that is; 25 years old, has won NL reliever of the year twice in a row, cost controlled for 4 years, perfect for the modern game, strikeouts guys at a rate unmatched by few in the history of baseball. Miguel Andujar and Clint Frazier... (basically red headed Brinson) *Inserts getting sick emoji. May match up in WAR but again that’s a terrible stat to assess the value of a RP. With that package Cashman kind kindly you know what himself. Jasson Dominguez would have to be part of the deal if that’s the frame of it and idk if that does enough for Stearns. He’s not dumb he understands value. If he’s not getting a king’s ransom now NY can always call back in July.

 

Thank you. The Brewers will be getting a haul for Hader if he is moved. I think it basically starts with a top 10 prospect. Or a couple guys in the top 30 or so. Plus a couple other high end talents.

 

How about this:

 

Angels Receive:

LHP Josh Hader

 

Brewers Receive:

OF Jo Adell

OF Brandon Marsh

RHP Jose Soriano

RHP Griffin Canning

 

Adell is a top 5 prospect that could realistically be Braun’s replacement after 2020. Marsh has shown well in AA and could be looking at starting in AAA and possibly making an MLB impact in 2020.

 

Soriano dominated in A ball this season and throws upper 90’s with room to grow. He has the makings of being a nice rotation arm in a few years. Canning performed fairly well in his first taste of MLB this season and was a former top 100 prospect (in the 70 range). He will slot into our rotation right away and give us the upside of being a high end #2 pitcher that we will control for 6 years.

 

Looking at the trade simulator (which I think greatly undervalues Hader), Hader for Canning, Soriano, and Marsh comes out pretty close to even with the Brewers getting a slight edge in value. Adell obviously tips it wayyy in the Brewers’ favor, but again Hader is definitely undervalued on there. Maybe the Brewers could add a piece to make it more enticing for the Angels like Peralta.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Here’s the thing WAR isn’t the end all be all when it comes to assessing a player’s value especially a RP. Look at what the trade market has dictated most recently with elite relievers and tell me again we’re overvaluing Hader which is just a laughable statement, and this is coming from someone that thinks dealing him is a good idea. Some examples of the trade market for said elite relievers. Feel free to add any recent comparable ones I might have missed

 

31 year old Andrew Miller with 1.5 years of control netted Clint Frazier and Justus Sheffield two then top ranked, highly lauded prospects and two other nice fliers at the time.

 

A half year of Chapman for Gleyber freaking Torres

 

Edwin Diaz plus an albatross contract in Cano went for Jared Kelenic and Justin Dunn which is again two top 100 guys. Kelenic will be sniffing the top end of that list soon enough just an absolute stud.

 

So forgive me for saying you guys are absolutely nuts to accept a package of anything less than the moon for a guy that is; 25 years old, has won NL reliever of the year twice in a row, cost controlled for 4 years, perfect for the modern game, strikeouts guys at a rate unmatched by few in the history of baseball. Miguel Andujar and Clint Frazier... (basically red headed Brinson) *Inserts getting sick emoji. May match up in WAR but again that’s a terrible stat to assess the value of a RP. With that package Cashman kind kindly you know what himself. Jasson Dominguez would have to be part of the deal if that’s the frame of it and idk if that does enough for Stearns. He’s not dumb he understands value. If he’s not getting a king’s ransom now NY can always call back in July.

 

Thank you. The Brewers will be getting a haul for Hader if he is moved. I think it basically starts with a top 10 prospect. Or a couple guys in the top 30 or so. Plus a couple other high end talents.

 

How about this:

 

Angels Receive:

LHP Josh Hader

 

Brewers Receive:

OF Jo Adell

OF Brandon Marsh

RHP Jose Soriano

RHP Griffin Canning

 

Adell is a top 5 prospect that could realistically be Braun’s replacement after 2020. Marsh has shown well in AA and could be looking at starting in AAA and possibly making an MLB impact in 2020.

 

Soriano dominated in A ball this season and throws upper 90’s with room to grow. He has the makings of being a nice rotation arm in a few years. Canning performed fairly well in his first taste of MLB this season and was a former top 100 prospect (in the 70 range). He will slot into our rotation right away and give us the upside of being a high end #2 pitcher that we will control for 6 years.

 

Looking at the trade simulator (which I think greatly undervalues Hader), Hader for Canning, Soriano, and Marsh comes out pretty close to even with the Brewers getting a slight edge in value. Adell obviously tips it wayyy in the Brewers’ favor, but again Hader is definitely undervalued on there. Maybe the Brewers could add a piece to make it more enticing for the Angels like Peralta.

 

You are correct that the trade simulator undervalues Hader. It also over-values prospects. Case in point the huge decrease in value they assigned to Urias after he was traded to the Brewers.

[reillymcshane]

I don't really want Miguel Andujar as the centerpiece of any deal for Hader. Defensively challenged player (probably needs to move to 1B), barely takes a walk (less than 5% walk rate in career), missed most of last year (only 12 games). Too many question marks.

 

Do I think the guy is a good player? Yes. 27 HRs and 47 2Bs (his 2018 numbers) are pretty sweet. But my Spidey-sense is tingling about the guy. I just don't trust him to make him our 'big' return for a guy such as Hader (who is one of the best at what he does).

[clancyphile]

I don't really want Miguel Andujar as the centerpiece of any deal for Hader. Defensively challenged player (probably needs to move to 1B), barely takes a walk (less than 5% walk rate in career), missed most of last year (only 12 games). Too many question marks.

 

Do I think the guy is a good player? Yes. 27 HRs and 47 2Bs (his 2018 numbers) are pretty sweet. But my Spidey-sense is tingling about the guy. I just don't trust him to make him our 'big' return for a guy such as Hader (who is one of the best at what he does).

 

I agree. Is he a good second piece? Yes.

 

How about something like this - a three-team deal between the Brewers, Mets, and Yankees:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-18455/

 

Brewers get:

IF McNeil

IF Lowrie

3B/1B Andujar

 

Yankees get:

OF Lutz

1B J.D. Davis

 

Mets get:

LHP Hader

OF Cabello

[beekay414]

If we are trading Hader, there's no reason to be adamant about getting MLB ready players in return. Reason being is...if we're trading Hader, we're not competing in 2020 thus there's no reason to focus on MLB ready talent. Simply put, you get the best return you can for him and work everything else out later.

[dacrew101]

If we are trading Hader, there's no reason to be adamant about getting MLB ready players in return. Reason being is...if we're trading Hader, we're not competing in 2020 thus there's no reason to focus on MLB ready talent. Simply put, you get the best return you can for him and work everything else out later.

 

Might as well trade Yelich while we’re at it

[beekay414]

If we are trading Hader, there's no reason to be adamant about getting MLB ready players in return. Reason being is...if we're trading Hader, we're not competing in 2020 thus there's no reason to focus on MLB ready talent. Simply put, you get the best return you can for him and work everything else out later.

 

Might as well trade Yelich while we’re at it

 

Yes, because cashing in on a reliever is the same as trading a MVP.

[RollieTime]

If we are trading Hader, there's no reason to be adamant about getting MLB ready players in return. Reason being is...if we're trading Hader, we're not competing in 2020 thus there's no reason to focus on MLB ready talent. Simply put, you get the best return you can for him and work everything else out later.

 

Might as well trade Yelich while we’re at it

 

Yes, because cashing in on a reliever is the same as trading a MVP.

 

I think his point was that if we aren’t competing in 2020 (like you mentioned), then why hold onto Yelich? Which is a fair point. If we actually aren’t trying, then it could be something to consider. But trading Hader absolutely doesn’t mean we aren’t competing in my opinion.

 

I see a trade of Hader opening up $5 million to be spent somewhere else. Obviously you’re not going to totally replace his production, but getting Knebel back, hopefully a healthy Wahl, Suter all season in the pen who looked fantastic, D. Guerra, D. Williams, Black, Feyereisen, Peralta, Claudio, and Yardley. Burnes is a candidate who could find his footing again and be dominant out of the pen too. Plus whoever they sign for that ~$5 million to replace him in the pen. I think they would actually still be an above average pen with a ton of upside there. A couple of those guys outside of Knebel and Suter will step up and be big time contributors.

 

In my hypothetical trade with the Angels, Canning slots into our rotation right away, rounding out our rotation and allowing money to be spent elsewhere (bullpen, first, or third). Plus, Canning isn’t a slouch anyway. He was as highly regarded as Burnes was. We also get a top prospect (Adell) that could be making an impact mid season 2020 with another good looking outfielder right behind him in Marsh. Soriano is only in A ball, but brings a ton of upside. A trade like this would help us enough now by giving us a rotation arm, saving money to be spent elsewhere, and giving us a couple guys on the cusp of MLB that could see time for us this season, where it would make sense for us to pull off a trade like this.

[TJseven7]

Trading Hader would have a disastrous impact on our pitching staff. I'm stunned that people are so flippant about it.

 

I really don't understand why people are in a rush to go back to the dark days. We have a 3 year window open with a once in a decade controlled value contract and a once in a decade star reliever. They tip the scales. We can also hope Hiura and Woodruff are 2 more guys who tip the scales and they look the part. On top of that, Narvaez and Urias sure look interesting. Yet, well if 2020 is going bad let's just toss it in the wood chipper and hope 2024 is bright?

 

The window is open. Why do you want to close it? This team has some youth and could crescendo in the next 3 years. The Astros went to the playoffs, missed the playoffs, won the WS. You want to trade away MVP caliber stars in the hopes of getting other ones? You want to take the top off this team in the hopes of being more solid throughout?

 

Solid is what this GM does best. Stars are the hard part. You don't trade stars away when you have a chance to contend.

 

Y'all wanna be the Oakland As. A rich mans, farm team.

[adambr2]

I have no problem with taking the best return, but I totally disagree with the notion that we won't be competing in 2020 without Hader. We wouldn't be making that kind of move if we really believed that.

 

There are just too many unknown variables to say that. Maybe Knebel returns to form after surgery and replaces Hader's production. Maybe Burnes becomes a bullpen ace. Maybe Wahl becomes a stud in the pen. Maybe we sign or trade for a couple relievers yet.

 

There are far too many other factors at play to say that trading a reliever automatically takes you out of contention. In 2017, we just missed the playoffs after a great season, a lot in part because of the performance of our ace, Jimmy Nelson. In 2018 we lost him and got even better because we made up the production elsewhere.

[TJseven7]

I have no problem with taking the best return, but I totally disagree with the notion that we won't be competing in 2020 without Hader. We wouldn't be making that kind of move if we really believed that.

 

There are just too many unknown variables to say that. Maybe Knebel returns to form after surgery and replaces Hader's production. Maybe Burnes becomes a bullpen ace. Maybe Wahl becomes a stud in the pen. Maybe we sign or trade for a couple relievers yet.

 

There are far too many other factors at play to say that trading a reliever automatically takes you out of contention. In 2017, we just missed the playoffs after a great season, a lot in part because of the performance of our ace, Jimmy Nelson. In 2018 we lost him and got even better because we made up the production elsewhere.

 

And if you put those maybe's happening on top of Hader, where are you?

 

I'm with you to a degree. Knebel back would be huge. Burnes could turn into a bullpen ace. So could Peralta. That would make trading Hader a heck of a lot easier in 2021. Not knowing that and trading Hader would be a gigantic risk.

 

You should do everything in your power to replace the players that make you go before you send them out the door. Woodruff and Hader could make the entire staffs life very easy. Be a 4ERA guy and we are all good. Until we have that guy who can yank down the team ERA, you can't break off Hader.

[paul253]

And meanwhile we have next to nothing in terms of quality starting pitching to rely on. Yes Woodruff looks good but really who else do we have that can help get us over the top in the rotation? If this is our “three year window” I don’t feel particularly great about it relying on people like Josh Lindlom and Eric Lauer to get us over the top. We just can’t compete with the Dodgers and the Cardinals of the world with our current rotation. Unless you’re satisfied with a wild card and possibly a division championship every now and then then we need to drastically improve our rotation. I don’t see an impact starting pitcher in the minor leagues coming up any time soon and we sure a heck aren’t signing one. So that leaves a trade as our only option. We can probably trade Hader for a potential ace. Other than Yelich, who is much more valuable than Hader, there is nobody else we can do that with. So why not trade Hader, assuming we get a quality return, while his value is likely as high as it ever is? It’s not going to hurt us as much as some around here seem to think. Bullpen is the easiest and cheapest position to fill and they have plenty of money to spend on the bullpen if need be.

 

I say try to mover Hader for a controllable, potential top of the rotation prospect plus another arm and then sign a reliever or two to make up for it.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Trading Hader doesn't mean the team can't compete in 2020. It all depends on the nature of the return. Saying otherwise is poor attempt at being dramatic.

 

And it's not like there weren't dents in the armor last year. 7 blown saves, 2nd half ops against of .720, July ops against of .796, August ops against of .970, 15 HRs allowed.

 

Despite those rough patches Hader was still a very good RP last year. But there is plenty of reason to contemplate the possibility that we've seen his best. Hader's fastball will likely be really hard to hit for a long time. It becomes easier for batters though when it's all he's able to throw for a strike. Striking out the side on nothing but heat is an awe-inspiring sight. But when a game-tying, solo HR is mixed in between strikeouts 2 and 3, it's not all that optimal for the team. And when every hitter starts going up there with the sole task of timing up that fastball, it's something more likely to occur going forward. It very well could be why the team is seriously entertaining trades. Not just because his trade value may never be higher or because he's about to get more expensive. But also perhaps because they see a good chance his performance is going to decline.

[liveforoctober]

And meanwhile we have next to nothing in terms of quality starting pitching to rely on. Yes Woodruff looks good but really who else do we have that can help get us over the top in the rotation? If this is our “three year window” I don’t feel particularly great about it relying on people like Josh Lindlom and Eric Lauer to get us over the top. We just can’t compete with the Dodgers and the Cardinals of the world with our current rotation. Unless you’re satisfied with a wild card and possibly a division championship every now and then then we need to drastically improve our rotation. I don’t see an impact starting pitcher in the minor leagues coming up any time soon and we sure a heck aren’t signing one. So that leaves a trade as our only option. We can probably trade Hader for a potential ace. Other than Yelich, who is much more valuable than Hader, there is nobody else we can do that with. So why not trade Hader, assuming we get a quality return, while his value is likely as high as it ever is? It’s not going to hurt us as much as some around here seem to think. Bullpen is the easiest and cheapest position to fill and they have plenty of money to spend on the bullpen if need be.

 

I say try to mover Hader for a controllable, potential top of the rotation prospect plus another arm and then sign a reliever or two to make up for it.

 

If the right deal is there to be made, I'm assuming a lot of folks around here would agree with you. But you can't just say "Trade him for a stud starting prospect and a lot more or you are doing it wrong!" ... because maybe such a trade doesn't exist. If you have any potential matches with organizations and what they have to offer, please let us know.

[TURBO]

I don't really want Miguel Andujar as the centerpiece of any deal for Hader. Defensively challenged player (probably needs to move to 1B), barely takes a walk (less than 5% walk rate in career), missed most of last year (only 12 games). Too many question marks.

 

Do I think the guy is a good player? Yes. 27 HRs and 47 2Bs (his 2018 numbers) are pretty sweet. But my Spidey-sense is tingling about the guy. I just don't trust him to make him our 'big' return for a guy such as Hader (who is one of the best at what he does).

 

I agree. Is he a good second piece? Yes.

 

How about something like this - a three-team deal between the Brewers, Mets, and Yankees:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-18455/

 

Brewers get:

IF McNeil

IF Lowrie

3B/1B Andujar

 

Yankees get:

OF Lutz

1B J.D. Davis

 

Mets get:

LHP Hader

OF Cabello

 

Ummmm, the Yankees want Hader, that is who they are after. You think they are going to do a 3 way deal involving the Mets and not come away with Hader?

 

ok then.