Hader trade ideas

[SRB]

Adell is exactly the type of elite prospect that we must get back in any Hader deal. The last thing I want to see is a quantity of mediocre talent in any potential deal. We MUST come out of any Hader deal with at least one and preferably two top of the line prospects like Lux or Adell.

 

Would you have traded Hiura for Edwin Diaz last year?

 

That's essentially what you're asking for with Lux or Adell for Hader.

 

Diaz 2016-18 | 191 IP | 64 ERA-/60 FIP- | 5.9 rWAR/6.3 fWAR

Hader 2017-19 | 204 IP | 57 ERA-/63 FIP- | 7.2 rWAR/5.9 fWAR

 

I personally wouldn't have traded Hiura for Diaz & I don't believe either LA club would trade Lux or Adell for Hader because 6 years of an elite position player prospect is more valuable than 4 years of a reliever, even thee very best one in the game.

 

I would never personally trade for a RP, but that doesn't mean MLB teams won't. It was a complicated trade but factoring how much under water that Cano contract is, the Mets gave up way more than that to get Diaz.

[DrugBust]

If the Yankees offered us Dominguez and we took that, it would sting a bit given that he's only 16. But he's also got a chance to be the next Wander Franco type prospect.

 

I'd be happy with that.

[brewers888]

Adell is exactly the type of elite prospect that we must get back in any Hader deal. The last thing I want to see is a quantity of mediocre talent in any potential deal. We MUST come out of any Hader deal with at least one and preferably two top of the line prospects like Lux or Adell.

 

Would you have traded Hiura for Edwin Diaz last year?

 

That's essentially what you're asking for with Lux or Adell for Hader.

 

Diaz 2016-18 | 191 IP | 64 ERA-/60 FIP- | 5.9 rWAR/6.3 fWAR

Hader 2017-19 | 204 IP | 57 ERA-/63 FIP- | 7.2 rWAR/5.9 fWAR

 

I personally wouldn't have traded Hiura for Diaz & I don't believe either LA club would trade Lux or Adell for Hader because 6 years of an elite position player prospect is more valuable than 4 years of a reliever, even thee very best one in the game.

 

No I wouldn't trade an elite bat like Hiura for a reliever but the Brewers can't afford to give away cheap elite talent for relievers. Teams like the Dodgers can trade away Lux for a guy like Hader who can put them over the top. By your thinking there is no way Torres ever gets traded for Chapman but thats exactly what did happen and Hader has 4 years of control vs the couple of months that Chapman had.

 

As a small market we can't afford to make deals like this which would destroy our future but the Dodgers can certainly trade Lux without thinking twice. If we can't get a guy like Lux then keep Hader but the last thing I want to see is us trade this pitcher for a pile of mediocre talent which is what the Yankees and Mets have to offer.

 

The media can and will treat the Brewers and other small market teams as feeder systems for the Yankees and Dodgers but luckily we have a great GM that knows better. Stearns is not trading Hader for a pile of garbage and I am very happy that is the case.

[sveumrules]

By your thinking there is no way Torres ever gets traded for Chapman but thats exactly what did happen and Hader has 4 years of control vs the couple of months that Chapman had.

 

The media can and will treat the Brewers and other small market teams as feeder systems for the Yankees and Dodgers but luckily we have a great GM that knows better. Stearns is not trading Hader for a pile of garbage and I am very happy that is the case.

 

I don't think the current Dodgers are as desperate as the Cubs were when they traded Torres to end the longest Championship drought in pro sports history.

 

If your expectation is a historical fleecing, you will likely think whatever return a hypothetical Hader trade brings is a pile of garbage. But I would love to be wrong.

[MrTPlush]

If he gets traded it will be the Yankees. They likely have the motivation to make their super team even better and I just can't fathom the Dodgers. If we weren't competing it wouldn't matter, but helping the biggest threat in the NL is really dumb/unlikely. We would have to really feel like we are getting the better end of that deal.

[brewmann04]

I don't see the yanks matching up with us.

[mattyo]

If he gets traded it will be the Yankees. They likely have the motivation to make their super team even better and I just can't fathom the Dodgers. If we weren't competing it wouldn't matter, but helping the biggest threat in the NL is really dumb/unlikely. We would have to really feel like we are getting the better end of that deal.

 

Yes its clear the Yankees would like to add Hader. The problem is they don't have the pieces to match Hader's value without giving up a piece of their super team.

[Brewersfanatic2882]

If he gets traded it will be the Yankees. They likely have the motivation to make their super team even better and I just can't fathom the Dodgers. If we weren't competing it wouldn't matter, but helping the biggest threat in the NL is really dumb/unlikely. We would have to really feel like we are getting the better end of that deal.

 

Yes its clear the Yankees would like to add Hader. The problem is they don't have the pieces to match Hader's value without giving up a piece of their super team.

I don't think thats true. If the Yankees came out and offered us a package of frazier, andujar Deivi Garcia you wouldn't do it? Those are all pieces that they can afford to get rid of, and they are all pieces that could have a huge impact for us next year.

[mattyo]

If he gets traded it will be the Yankees. They likely have the motivation to make their super team even better and I just can't fathom the Dodgers. If we weren't competing it wouldn't matter, but helping the biggest threat in the NL is really dumb/unlikely. We would have to really feel like we are getting the better end of that deal.

 

Yes its clear the Yankees would like to add Hader. The problem is they don't have the pieces to match Hader's value without giving up a piece of their super team.

I don't think thats true. If the Yankees came out and offered us a package of frazier, andujar Deivi Garcia you wouldn't do it? Those are all pieces that they can afford to get rid of, and they are all pieces that could have a huge impact for us next year.

 

If I were Stearns, that wouldn't even register on my radar as a trade for the best RP in baseball

[MrTPlush]

I don't really get the negativity with the Yankees as a trade partner. Andujar is fine player and I also don't get the negativity to their system. Jasson Dominguez specifically could be a monster, like better than anyone currently on this team someday minus Yelich. Seems they have plenty of pieces.

[adambr2]

I don't really get the negativity with the Yankees as a trade partner. Andujar is fine player and I also don't get the negativity to their system. Jasson Dominguez specifically could be a monster, like better than anyone currently on this team someday minus Yelich.

 

Yeah I would love Jasson Dominguez.

 

I think some people limit themselves to only wanting MLB ready talent back, which I think is a mistake. Even if you don't want to wait on someone like Dominguez, he could pretty easily be one of the more premiere trade chips in baseball at this time next year.

[brewers888]

I don't really get the negativity with the Yankees as a trade partner. Andujar is fine player and I also don't get the negativity to their system. Jasson Dominguez specifically could be a monster, like better than anyone currently on this team someday minus Yelich. Seems they have plenty of pieces.

 

Andujar is a DH masquerading as a third baseman. Dominguez would have to be part of any deal and knowing the Yankees they would try to sell us on Frazier instead. Unless Dominguez is included I have no interest in doing a deal with that team.

[Brewersfanatic2882]

Yes its clear the Yankees would like to add Hader. The problem is they don't have the pieces to match Hader's value without giving up a piece of their super team.

I don't think thats true. If the Yankees came out and offered us a package of frazier, andujar Deivi Garcia you wouldn't do it? Those are all pieces that they can afford to get rid of, and they are all pieces that could have a huge impact for us next year.

 

If I were Stearns, that wouldn't even register on my radar as a trade for the best RP in baseball

whys that? People seem to overvalue Hader a tad bit. Yes he's the best rp in baseball, but that's just it he's a rp. You can't build a team around a relief pitcher. If you're getting back 3 players with all star potential, I think that's a pretty solid deal but that's just my opinion.

[SRB]

Andujar brings similar defense to 3B as Ryan Braun, has a career 4.1 BB%, and is returning from a major injury. He's an intriguing player but not in a Hader trade.

[MrTPlush]

I don't really get the negativity with the Yankees as a trade partner. Andujar is fine player and I also don't get the negativity to their system. Jasson Dominguez specifically could be a monster, like better than anyone currently on this team someday minus Yelich.

 

Yeah I would love Jasson Dominguez.

 

I think some people limit themselves to only wanting MLB ready talent back, which I think is a mistake. Even if you don't want to wait on someone like Dominguez, he could pretty easily be one of the more premiere trade chips in baseball at this time next year.

 

Dude is well into the Top 100 prospects in baseball and hasn't swung a bat in an actual league yet. If he starts hitting he will fly up boards so fast. He could be the next phenom. Maybe not, but no one in entire system is anywhere near the same league as far as tools/potential.

[Madhawk23]

I just can't imagine DS headlining a deal for Hader around a 16 year old - and it sounds like that's the only real high-end value that the Yankees could really bring to the table. We are also in a "win now" mode, so I've got to think that any package for Hader needs to include a couple of high-end prospects (or controllable MLB guys) that would fill current holes on our MLB roster. And, one of those guys would have to be in the "can't miss" category. Otherwise, you hold onto Hader and continue to utilize him as one of the best and most unique relief assets in baseball.

[mattyo]

I don't really get the negativity with the Yankees as a trade partner. Andujar is fine player and I also don't get the negativity to their system. Jasson Dominguez specifically could be a monster, like better than anyone currently on this team someday minus Yelich.

 

Yeah I would love Jasson Dominguez.

 

I think some people limit themselves to only wanting MLB ready talent back, which I think is a mistake. Even if you don't want to wait on someone like Dominguez, he could pretty easily be one of the more premiere trade chips in baseball at this time next year.

 

Dude is well into the Top 100 prospects in baseball and hasn't swung a bat in an actual league yet. If he starts hitting he will fly up boards so fast. He could be the next phenom. Maybe not, but no one in entire system is anywhere near the same league as far as tools/potential.

 

We've already discussed that Yelich will almost be impossible to re-sign given our market limitations. He's a generational talent and we have him locked up for 3 more years. Why would we trade the best RP in baseball, who is cheap and under control alongside Yelich for a 16 year old kid who wont sniff the majors until that window is up? Of course there is no need to mention the fact that every Yankees prospect is hyped beyond belief by the media.

 

I understand he has the chance to be an absolute monster, but why give up Hader for the CHANCE that he becomes that player, and if he DOES become that player, he won't even be ready to play alongside our current monster?

 

We are talking about completely different windows. By the time this literal high schooler would be ready to join the squad, our team would likely have been completely overhauled. It makes no sense.

 

Now, a package centered around a player like Gavin Lux, who is what Dominguez could be, and is major league ready to compete during our window, you would have my attention.

[Warning Track Power]

What about a Hader and Urias for Seager, Lux and May deal?

 

Brewers get an immediate 3B (Seager), SS (Lux) and SP (May). Dodgers get the RP stud and a SS for the future as well.

[mattyo]

What about a Hader and Urias for Seager, Lux and May deal?

 

Brewers get an immediate 3B (Seager), SS (Lux) and SP (May). Dodgers get the RP stud and a SS for the future as well.

 

This is the type of trade suggestion I expected to see throughout this thread. Likely a bit too much for Hader, but in my mind, a lot closer than anything the Yankees would be offering.

[MrTPlush]

Seager, Lux, and May??

 

I like to dream, but that is even too much for me. That isn't a "bit too much", that is just plain unreasonable. I think people are dreaming to just want Lux for Hader straight up...I bet the Dodgers would say no to that let alone that 3 player fleecing.

 

I am not a big fan of the trade value site generally speaking, but Hader isn't even worth one of those guys let alone all three according to it (I think the site overhypes all of their prospect values). Regardless it has:

 

Brewers Get : 204.10 (Seager, Lux, and May)

Dodgers Get: 71.59 (Hader and Urias)

[Madhawk23]

What about a Hader and Urias for Seager, Lux and May deal?

 

Brewers get an immediate 3B (Seager), SS (Lux) and SP (May). Dodgers get the RP stud and a SS for the future as well.

 

This is the type of trade suggestion I expected to see throughout this thread. Likely a bit too much for Hader, but in my mind, a lot closer than anything the Yankees would be offering.

 

I can't see the Dodgers giving up both Seager and Lux in the same deal (even if they had Urias coming back). I think we'd have to settle for either one of Seager/Lux, May and Ruiz/Gray for a Hader/Urias package.

[reillymcshane]

What about a Hader and Urias for Seager, Lux and May deal?

 

Brewers get an immediate 3B (Seager), SS (Lux) and SP (May). Dodgers get the RP stud and a SS for the future as well.

Yes, I'd do this.

 

No, the Dodgers wouldn't.

 

Hader is great - but that's way too much. Pick one of the three and you have a basis for a trade - but not all three. Probably not even two of them.

 

That's my opinion.

[A Swing and A Drive]

I'd guess a Hader trade would look more like this:

 

Dodgers get - Josh Hader

Brewers get - C-Keibert Ruiz, RHP-Tony Gonsolin, 1B-Edwin Rios, another fringe prospect

 

Yankees get - Josh Hader

Brewers get - 3B-Miguel Andujar, RHP-Tommy Kahnle, RHP-Clarke Schmidt, another fringe prospect

 

Mets get - Josh Hader

Brewers get - 3B-Jeff McNeil, 1B-Dominic Smith, LHP-Justin Wilson

 

 

The Brewers would be very foolish to accept any of these offers for Josh Hader.

[MrTPlush]

Just for fun I played with the trade simulator to see what a fair trade for Seager/Lux/May would be:

 

Brewers Get: 204.10

Lux

May

Seager

 

Dodgers Get : 197.60

 

Hader

Urias

Yelich

 

So I guess not too bad, we just have to sweeten the pot with that extra player.

[stoutdude04]

Just for fun I played with the trade simulator to see what a fair trade for Seager/Lux/May would be:

 

Brewers Get: 204.10

Lux

May

Seager

 

Dodgers Get : 197.60

 

Hader

Urias

Yelich

 

So I guess not too bad, we just have to sweeten the pot with that extra player.

 

Ha. That's pretty good.