Hader trade ideas

[A Swing and A Drive]

Supposedly Yankees, Dodgers and Mets are interested in Hader...

 

What's it going to be?

 

Yankees

RHP Deivi Garcia

3B Miguel Andujar

RHP Albert Abreu or RHP Jonathan Loaisiga

 

DODGERS

SS Gavin Lux

C Keibert Ruiz

RHP Josiah Gray

 

METS

RHP Noah Syndergaard

1B Dom Smith or JD Davis

3B Jed Lowrie

 

I think the Yankees offer will be too risky without a true blue chipper.

 

Need to be blown away or else stand pat, IMO.

[Eye Black]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/josh-hader-trade-rumors-yankees-dodgers-mets.html

If you’re interested Rosenthal’s direct quotes are listed on the previous page to this thread, Link.

[liveforoctober]

I love Hader. I really do. But if the Mets offered us the combo of Thor, Dom, and Lowrie for him I do it.

[brewers888]

I am shocked at the consensus of what we should be willing to accept for Hader. We cannot and should not trade Hader unless we are blown away which means receiving a minimum of one can't miss guy with a ton of control years for the team. That means Lux must be part of any Dodgers deal, the Yankees have nothing of interest besides Dominguez who is very far away and the Mets have nothing to interest me at all.

 

The headliner can't be someone with 2 or less years of control so that eliminates Syndergaard who is too inconsistent anyway. Dominic Smith is a mediocre piece at best and the rest of the Mets tradeable pieces don't interest me at all. Hader is unquestionably the most valuable reliever in the game when you factor in what hes done and the 4 years of control remaining. Unless we are getting some incredible players in return we shouldn't move him for a large quantity of mediocre talent.

 

As an aside I have no interest in helping big market behemoths like the Yankees and Dodgers unless they clearly blow us away. Unless we get an offer that we just can't refuse just keep Hader because dealing him for the likes of Dominic Smith or Andujar from the Yankees would be extremely infuriating.

[KeithStone53151]

There are a couple trade ideas posted on that trade site that could be worth discussion regarding Hader, that have gotten mostly positive feedback. The better one being a 3 team trade involving Dodgers and Tigers has 7 likes and 1 dislike.

 

Brewers get - Boyd, Maeda

Dodgers get - Hader, Jimenez(Tigers)

Tigers get - Downs(Dodgers), Gray(Dodgers), Santana(Dodgers), Bello(Brewers)

 

This other one has 3 likes and 2 dislikes, but I like this move a bit better personally.

 

Brewers get - Correa, Peacock

Astros get - Hader

 

I think the 3 teamer made more sense before we picked up Lindblom. I don't know that we want to bring in 2 starters without flexibility. You could drop Maeda and Jimenez out of that trade and shift the prospect value around a bit to make it work.

 

The Astros trade makes sense because both sides are very familiar with the assets involved, and it fits needs/surplus very well...especially on the Astros side.

[Madhawk23]

Supposedly Yankees, Dodgers and Mets are interested in Hader...

 

What's it going to be?

 

Yankees

RHP Deivi Garcia

3B Miguel Andujar

RHP Albert Abreu or RHP Jonathan Loaisiga

 

DODGERS

SS Gavin Lux

C Keibert Ruiz

RHP Josiah Gray

 

METS

RHP Noah Syndergaard

1B Dom Smith or JD Davis

3B Jed Lowrie

 

I think the Yankees offer will be too risky without a true blue chipper.

 

Need to be blown away or else stand pat, IMO.

 

In those three scenarios - I would definitely favor the Mets or the Dodgers packages. I doubt we get all three of those guys from LA though. You're asking for 3 Top 100 prospects, and I just can't see any team giving that up for a reliever - even one as dominant as Hader.

 

I honestly don't know who the Yankees could offer us in a package that would entice me enough if I were DS? Just too many questions marks with all of their young players.

[brewers888]

There are a couple trade ideas posted on that trade site that could be worth discussion regarding Hader, that have gotten mostly positive feedback. The better one being a 3 team trade involving Dodgers and Tigers has 7 likes and 1 dislike.

 

Brewers get - Boyd, Maeda

Dodgers get - Hader, Jimenez(Tigers)

Tigers get - Downs(Dodgers), Gray(Dodgers), Santana(Dodgers), Bello(Brewers)

 

This other one has 3 likes and 2 dislikes, but I like this move a bit better personally.

 

Brewers get - Correa, Peacock

Astros get - Hader

 

I think the 3 teamer made more sense before we picked up Lindblom. I don't know that we want to bring in 2 starters without flexibility. You could drop Maeda and Jimenez out of that trade and shift the prospect value around a bit to make it work.

 

The Astros trade makes sense because both sides are very familiar with the assets involved, and it fits needs/surplus very well...especially on the Astros side.

 

No no no. Boyd and Maeda is not even remotely intriguing and I have no interest in Correa with his two years of control. Get elite talent with lots of control years left or forget it.

[JosephC]

I'm starting to think there is a pretty good chance that Hader is traded and is dealt at "fair market value." Just thinking back to this past-offseason when the Giants put Bumgarner on the market and then removed him a few days later (apparently because they put a sky-high price-tag on him). The Hader chatter has been going on too long, and enough teams are reported to be interetested to make me think that Stearns isn't shooting for the moon.

[brewers888]

I'm starting to think there is a pretty good chance that Hader is traded and is dealt at "fair market value." Just thinking back to this past-offseason when the Giants put Bumgarner on the market and then removed him a few days later (apparently because they put a sky-high price-tag on him). The Hader chatter has been going on too long, and enough teams are reported to be interetested to make me think that Stearns isn't shooting for the moon.

 

Stearns better be shooting for the moon. If we aren't getting great talent like Lux we shouldn't move the best reliever in the game. I am absolutely in shock at some of the potential offers that some of you are willing to accept.

[KeithStone53151]

No no no. Boyd and Maeda is not even remotely intriguing and I have no interest in Correa with his two years of control. Get elite talent with lots of control years left or forget it.

 

I'm as big a Hader fan as anyone, but he's also a guy that's primary reason for success is a niche. He fiddles around the top of the zone with his heat...that coupled with delivery deception has lead to a lot of success. Eventually...probably sooner than later...guys are going to adjust to the high fastball being a relatively new thing. If Hader doesn't improve his secondaries before that happens, he immediately turns into a bad pitcher. We all know how unreliable relievers can be year to year. It generally might be prudent to sell high on him before he potentially falls off a cliff, and mitigate the risk. And we aren't going to trade him by shooting for the moon.

[SRB]

I don't think two years of Syndergaard is tenough for Hader. Dominic Smith is an absolute non-entity in this caliber of trade, while I wouldn't mind having him he's not a top prospect anymore.

 

Four years of the best RP in baseball?

[Jopal78]

I never thought a Hader trade would happen, but looking over the current roster it very well could happen.

 

Reason one: The major-league lineup is pretty thin on quality hitters there’s Yelich, Braun (if healthy) Navarez and a bunch of question marks. Will Hiura be able to cut down on the Ks, will Arcia finally play up to his talent level. Will Urias hit with enough power to be an everyday player.

 

 

Reason 2: The starting rotation has talent but outside of woodruff lacks consistent Results major-league level.

 

The minor-league teams affiliated with Milwaukee are light on talent that is close to major-league ready.

 

Trading Hader could result in the Brewers remodeling their team into a collection of younger talented players starting to get experience with the potential to be contenders, as opposed to a club of veterans with significant playoff experience trying to stay on top. In the long run the Brewers are likely better off with the younger set of players who haven’t quite reached their potential yet rather than the veterans club trying to hang on for one more run

[tigerbrew]

Supposedly Yankees, Dodgers and Mets are interested in Hader...

 

What's it going to be?

 

Yankees

RHP Deivi Garcia

3B Miguel Andujar

RHP Albert Abreu or RHP Jonathan Loaisiga

 

DODGERS

SS Gavin Lux

C Keibert Ruiz

RHP Josiah Gray

 

METS

RHP Noah Syndergaard

1B Dom Smith or JD Davis

3B Jed Lowrie

 

I think the Yankees offer will be too risky without a true blue chipper.

 

Need to be blown away or else stand pat, IMO.

 

The METS trade is the one I like most in the list, we get MLB proven players.

 

Syndergaard - we get a potentially Ace type SP

Much prefer to get JD Davis instead of Dom Smith, Davis is the better hitter and can play 3B as well as 1B and LF.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Supposedly Yankees, Dodgers and Mets are interested in Hader...

 

What's it going to be?

 

Yankees

RHP Deivi Garcia

3B Miguel Andujar

RHP Albert Abreu or RHP Jonathan Loaisiga

 

DODGERS

SS Gavin Lux

C Keibert Ruiz

RHP Josiah Gray

 

METS

RHP Noah Syndergaard

1B Dom Smith or JD Davis

3B Jed Lowrie

 

I think the Yankees offer will be too risky without a true blue chipper.

 

Need to be blown away or else stand pat, IMO.

 

The METS trade is the one I like most in the list, we get MLB proven players.

 

Syndergaard - we get a potentially Ace type SP

Much prefer to get JD Davis instead of Dom Smith, Davis is the better hitter and can play 3B as well as 1B and LF.

 

I like J.D. Davis as well, but the Brewers have recently shown a preference gravitating toward left-handed hitters at those corner IF power positions, to take advantage of that short RF porch at Miller Park. That makes Smith more of a target in my opinion.

[brewerfan82]

I like Hader, he's a nice luxury, but if teams get into a bidding war and someone offers the moon, you take it. Fans and radio personalities really seem to think the market is higher than it likely should be for a relief pitcher. No matter how good he is, he's just not going to impact nearly as many atbats in a season as a starting pitcher or a position player will. So if you're talking about getting a TOR arm along with a couple bats in the lineup, I don't see how you don't take that. Then again, it sounds like the actual GMs may be valuing him more reasonably, so it remains to be seen if anyone actually offers to overpay for him.

[SRB]

Y'all want to trade Josh Hader for a marginal non-prospect who had a hot month or two once (JD Davis)? The Mets PR team has somehow captured Brewerfan.net

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Y'all want to trade Josh Hader for a marginal non-prospect who had a hot month or two once (JD Davis)? The Mets PR team has somehow captured Brewerfan.net

 

Literally no one is throwing Davis's name out there as the main piece coming back.

[KeithStone53151]

Reason one: The major-league lineup is pretty thin on quality hitters there’s Yelich, Braun (if healthy) Navarez and a bunch of question marks. Will Hiura be able to cut down on the Ks, will Arcia finally play up to his talent level. Will Urias hit with enough power to be an everyday player.

 

Not to go too far off topic, but this has to be addressed. It is pure insanity to view Hiura's bat as a question mark and not include him in any quality hitters group.

 

I agreed with most of the rest of your post, but Hiura's bat is elite and that isn't debatable.

[adambr2]

I'm starting to think there is a pretty good chance that Hader is traded and is dealt at "fair market value." Just thinking back to this past-offseason when the Giants put Bumgarner on the market and then removed him a few days later (apparently because they put a sky-high price-tag on him). The Hader chatter has been going on too long, and enough teams are reported to be interetested to make me think that Stearns isn't shooting for the moon.

 

When Stearns was asked about the Hader chatter the other day I thought it was pretty interesting that he was fairly coy about it. Even if he was shopping him, I expected something along the lines of "We value Josh as one of the best pitchers in baseball and unless something changes we look forward to seeing him in a Brewer uniform for years to come," but there wasn't even that.

 

Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I would put the chances at 50/50, at best, that Josh Hader is a Brewer in 2020.

 

As we know however things can change quickly. After the near-trade of Braun in August 2016 I didn't see it as likely for him to be back in 2017 either.

[JosephC]

I'd guess a Hader trade would look more like this:

 

Dodgers get - Josh Hader

Brewers get - C-Keibert Ruiz, RHP-Tony Gonsolin, 1B-Edwin Rios, another fringe prospect

 

Yankees get - Josh Hader

Brewers get - 3B-Miguel Andujar, RHP-Tommy Kahnle, RHP-Clarke Schmidt, another fringe prospect

 

Mets get - Josh Hader

Brewers get - 3B-Jeff McNeil, 1B-Dominic Smith, LHP-Justin Wilson

[Jopal78]

Reason one: The major-league lineup is pretty thin on quality hitters there’s Yelich, Braun (if healthy) Navarez and a bunch of question marks. Will Hiura be able to cut down on the Ks, will Arcia finally play up to his talent level. Will Urias hit with enough power to be an everyday player.

 

Not to go too far off topic, but this has to be addressed. It is pure insanity to view Hiura's bat as a question mark and not include him in any quality hitters group.

 

I agreed with most of the rest of your post, but Hiura's bat is elite and that isn't debatable.

 

He struck out as many times as Arcia in 200 fewer at bats. He’s awesome when he hits it, but it’s a legit question. The GM doesn’t keep players around who strike out 160+ times

[liveforoctober]

So IF Knebel returns to be an effective reliever...

 

...a Hader trade right now makes sense because his value will never be higher. I prefer Hader in the kangaroo role of pitching whenever/wherever needed. I thought he was great as a closer. I thought he was elite in the specialty role. BUT, getting positive closer experience only upped his trade value with 4 remaining years of control. Stearns knows this and knows Hader alone could replenish the entire Brewers system if needed or fill the remaining holes on the MLB squad.

 

Can't trade him without the right deal because our Yelich window is now, but if a team wants to play ball with Josh Hader ... I think we have to listen.

[wallus]

I am shocked at the consensus of what we should be willing to accept for Hader.

 

Propose your own trade(s) then.

[Madhawk23]

So IF Knebel returns to be an effective reliever...

 

...a Hader trade right now makes sense because his value will never be higher. I prefer Hader in the kangaroo role of pitching whenever/wherever needed. I thought he was great as a closer. I thought he was elite in the specialty role. BUT, getting positive closer experience only upped his trade value with 4 remaining years of control. Stearns knows this and knows Hader alone could replenish the entire Brewers system if needed or fill the remaining holes on the MLB squad.

 

Can't trade him without the right deal because our Yelich window is now, but if a team wants to play ball with Josh Hader ... I think we have to listen.

 

The problem is - we have no idea currently how good Knebel is going to be when he comes back. And, it sounds like they aren't going to rush him back for the start of the season. So I don't think it's logical at this point to count on Knebel pitching any high leverage innings for us until June - and that's assuming that all goes well and he's back to his old form (again - a huge question mark right now). So, if we do trade Hader - we better start looking at making some late inning reliever acquisitions.

[sveumrules]

I don't think two years of Syndergaard is tenough for Hader. Dominic Smith is an absolute non-entity in this caliber of trade, while I wouldn't mind having him he's not a top prospect anymore.

 

Four years of the best RP in baseball?

 

It's likely that Noah would throw more innings over his two years of control than Josh would over his four.

 

Now of course, Hader's innings have been of a higher quality & come almost entirely in only the highest leverage spots, so the Mets would have to include one of Davis/Smith & more to even it out.

 

If you want an established "ace" in return for Josh, I don't see us getting one that has equal or more control, just based on the volume difference between SP/RP.

 

If Hader is dealt I would imagine that Stearns & company go for as much team control as possible in return. I still don't think Lux is going anywhere, but something like Ruiz/Gray from LAD plus a couple low level fliers the scouting/analytics department likes makes the most sense to me.