Josh Hader NL relief pitcher of the year

[torts]

Nice job, Josh

[82brewcrew82]

I thought he was terrible? I'm so confused.

[TURBO]

I thought he was terrible? I'm so confused.

 

Only when it mattered most...

 

jk…...at least a little bit anyway.

[PinaMadness]

Why?

[JimH5]

Geez.. Kirby Yates. I like Hader, but 15 HR in 75.2 IP.

[OldHeidelberg]

Yeah this is weird, it wasn't just the last 2 games, he had some rough outings. But his numbers were still pretty steller, maybe one of those awards that comes a year too late.

[jerichoholicninja]

Hader bested Yates in K/9, H/9, and WHIP. They were pretty close in BB/9 (2.4 vs 1.9). ERA, ERA+, and FIP Yates has the clear advantage. Hader's HR/9 was unsustainable high and Yates was unsustainably low. Career wise, they are virtually the same allowing homeruns but Kirby has pitched more in HR suppressing parks. Point is neither was clearly better than the other, unless you're a Brewer fan with bad memories of the last few games of the year.

[JimH5]

Yates had 41 saves and 3 blown saves. Hader had 37 saves and 7 blown saves.

 

Hader allowed 15 homers in 75.2 IP, Yates allowed 3 HR in 60.2 IP.

 

Hader's FIP was 3.10, Yates' was 1.30.

 

I think they got this one wrong, and not by a little.

[rickh150]

Not what the Brewers wanted before arbitration numbers are given... his price just went up a couple million.

Seven blown saves? 15 HRs? Best reliever, no way. I could get behind a top 5 reliever, maybe. Like someone else said, got this one waaay wrong.

[MrTPlush]

#1 Why is everyone talking about saves and blown saves? Guys it is 2019 not 2009. Y’all suddenly jumping on the meaningless stats big time. Surprised wins wasn’t mentioned at this rate.

 

#2 Yates was definitely the best reliever in the NL, but Hader was definitely still up there.

[rickh150]

Blown saves.... a meaningless stat? Since when?

[rickh150]

Are HRs a meaningless stat too?

He had a great year.... better than good. Yet, who can really get behind this one?

[JimH5]

Saves and blown saves aren't meaningless stats. They're not all that matters, but they're not meaningless.

 

Yates allowed a .515 OPS, Hader allowed a .591.

[TURBO]

The new thing is to blast all stats that were used before 2017.

 

All stats that don't require a college education to cypher are now meaningless. You guys must not have gotten that memo.

 

Crazy old coots!

[3and2Fastball]

Unfortunately the award won't help his trade value...

[markedman5]

Yeah this is weird, it wasn't just the last 2 games, he had some rough outings. But his numbers were still pretty steller, maybe one of those awards that comes a year too late.

 

He won it last year too so not an award that came a year late.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Hader had a really good year. Would have been a great year if not for a few too many homeruns. Still, hard to see this going to him over Yates, who had a truly dominant season.

[Pugger]

Unfortunately the award won't help his trade value...

 

Do you believe the Brewers will trade him this offseason?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Because Hader pitched for a good team. Yates pitched for a crap team. More pressure and higher leverage pitching for a good team. The Padres suck.

[long ball]

Yates was incredible and if he had won he would have been deserving.

 

I think the argument for Hader over Yates is the volume. Hader threw 15 more innings and 37 more strike outs. Hader threw 15 more innings that Yates with only 1 additional appearance.

[lcbj68c]

That's unfortunate.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Because Hader pitched for a good team. Yates pitched for a crap team. More pressure and higher leverage pitching for a good team. The Padres suck.

 

My argument against that is that it wasn't "the best relief pitcher on a good team" award.

[rickh150]

Because Hader pitched for a good team. Yates pitched for a crap team. More pressure and higher leverage pitching for a good team. The Padres suck.

 

My argument against that is that it wasn't "the best relief pitcher on a good team" award.

 

MVP.... it still matters how well your team does. CY Young and other awards not so much...

[phnxcrew]

Unfortunately the award won't help his trade value...

 

Do you believe the Brewers will trade him this offseason?

 

I'm sure a team like the dodgers could use things like this to justify dealing young talent for him... being hopeful! I can see it now.... "we dealt smith, verdugo, lux and urias for the league's best reliever"

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Because Hader pitched for a good team. Yates pitched for a crap team. More pressure and higher leverage pitching for a good team. The Padres suck.

 

My argument against that is that it wasn't "the best relief pitcher on a good team" award.

 

Never thought I'd say this, but a relief pitcher playing for the Milwaukee Brewers probably has a larger national audience and greater following than one playing in big market San Diego. It has to be something like that, because solely based on stats, Yates should have gotten it.