Why is Daddy Sad? the Brewers Version

[TURBO]

I don't blame Kotsay really, it was a horrible decision made by a horrible manager, RRR is to blame. To give up your defense in CF was inexcusable in a game of that magnitude against the Cardinals of all teams. Still hurts to think about.

[pacopete4]

I remember that 2011 Brewers-Cardinals series differently. I remember it as a series where our pitchers didn't show up. And if they had, history might be a bit different. Grienke was bad. Gallardo was worse. Marcum was finished. Those three duds are what killed the Brewers chances of winning a World Series with a very talented group of offensive players.

[Underachiever]

I remember that 2011 Brewers-Cardinals series differently. I remember it as a series where our pitchers didn't show up. And if they had, history might be a bit different. Grienke was bad. Gallardo was worse. Marcum was finished. Those three duds are what killed the Brewers chances of winning a World Series with a very talented group of offensive players.

That's pretty much how I remember it. Just looked it up and STL scored 11 runs in the first inning. Plus they went up 3-0 in the second inning of Game 5 as well. Playing from behind and turning David Freese into a hero.

[MrTPlush]

The Mark Kotsay thing is absolutely just comical. First of all he did not play the ball horribly. Does Nyjer Morgan catch that? Probably, but Kotsay was also the best offensive player by a mile that day. Go look at Gallardo's statline in that inning, friggen horrendous.

 

I can't believe people still complain and think Kotsay was some tragedy in CF that day...if anything it was a wash having him in CF.

 

If I was going to sum up that series with a single move I would probably pick having Marcum start Game 6. The dude was so clearly toast at that point it was sad...He arguably should never have never been a postseason starter and the fact with the season on the line he turned to Marcum was just pathetically sad. I remember not evening watching Game 6 because he started...result was predictable.

 

Postseason with Marcum on mound:

 

1-8 LOSS

3-12 LOSS

6-12 LOSS

[djoctagone]

how about dealing with real grief and having a section devoted to the crane collapse and the tragic loss of lives?

[homer]

how about dealing with real grief and having a section devoted to the crane collapse and the tragic loss of lives?

 

Because this is a sports fan website. We'd have no posts if people put things in perspective.

[cesser000]

Not getting the Yankees' first-round pick at #25 in the 2009 draft as compensation for losing Sabathia. It instead went to the Angels who selected Mike Trout, a player that the the Brewers had their eye on supposedly. We instead picked NEXT at #26, selecting Eric Arnett. Absolutely colossal gut punch.

 

https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/how-the-brewers-almost-drafted-mike-trout-111916

[LouisEly]

The Mark Kotsay thing is absolutely just comical. First of all he did not play the ball horribly. Does Nyjer Morgan catch that? Probably, but Kotsay was also the best offensive player by a mile that day. Go look at Gallardo's statline in that inning, friggen horrendous.

Exactly.

 

Kotsay didn't give up the single to Furcal, or throw the wild pitch that got Furcal to 2nd. If Furcal is on 1st, he doesn't score on the play and Gallardo has a chance to get out of the inning without giving up a run.

Kotsay didn't give up the ground rule double to Pujols.

Kotsay didn't walk Holliday or Berkman, who both came around to score on separate plays well after the play involving Kotsay.

And Kotsay didn't give up the double to Freese.

 

If Gallardo does his job, at most two runs score, and the Brewers win 3-2.

[TURBO]

and yet, Mark Kotsay had no business in CF, period. You can paint it any way you want, but the guy was a hack in the OF. There was plenty of blame to go around, but any manager that thought it was a good idea to start him in CF for a playoff game was just plain stupid. The results were as anyone would have expected. Starting him in CF and hoping he wouldn't hurt you was just asinine.

 

Pitchers give up hits, that is baseball. As a manager you try to limit the damage by playing competent players at defensive positions, knowing full well they will be called upon to make plays. Pitchers give up hits, defensive players are paid to make the plays when it happens. Kotsay blew that one big time, and RRR was to blame for setting up the defense the way he did.

 

Wasn't this supposed to be an opinion thread, not a ridicule thread?

 

Geez.

[LouisEly]

and yet, Mark Kotsay had no business in CF, period. You can paint it any way you want, but the guy was a hack in the OF. .

You're absolutely correct - that we aren't arguing with.

 

What we are arguing with is that starting Kotsay in CF that day cost them the game. In our opinion, it did not.

[TURBO]

and yet, Mark Kotsay had no business in CF, period. You can paint it any way you want, but the guy was a hack in the OF. .

You're absolutely correct - that we aren't arguing with.

 

What we are arguing with is that starting Kotsay in CF that day cost them the game. In our opinion, it did not.

 

It was a factor, a large factor, and he was put in a situation that should have never happened. Had Morgan screwed up in CF, that I could live with. This was a travesty, a sham, a mockery, it was a travishamockery!

[CheezWizHed]

How about a picture depicting Molitor with a suitcase with a YYZ bag tag?

[Eye Black]

Could we have a page dedicated to the organization’s bizarre off-field injury history?

 

Greinke playing pickup basketball.

 

Lucroy dropped suitcase incident.

 

K-Rod stepping on a cactus in Spring Training.

 

Narveson scissors accident fixing glove.

 

Nilsson’s bout with Ross River Fever.

[AKCheesehead]

Could we have a page dedicated to the organization’s bizarre off-field injury history?

 

Greinke playing pickup basketball.

 

Lucroy dropped suitcase incident.

 

K-Rod stepping on a cactus in Spring Training.

 

Narveson scissors accident fixing glove.

 

Nilsson’s bout with Ross River Fever.

 

Took Nilsson quite some time to recover. Between that and going away for the olympics and then calling it a day, his career could’ve been so much more.

 

Does Steve Sparks dislocating his shoulder attempting to tear a phone book in half qualify?

[mtrebs]

Could we have a page dedicated to the organization’s bizarre off-field injury history?

 

Greinke playing pickup basketball.

 

Lucroy dropped suitcase incident.

 

K-Rod stepping on a cactus in Spring Training.

 

Narveson scissors accident fixing glove.

 

Nilsson’s bout with Ross River Fever.

 

Took Nilsson quite some time to recover. Between that and going away for the olympics and then calling it a day, his career could’ve been so much more.

 

Does Steve Sparks dislocating his shoulder attempting to tear a phone book in half qualify?

 

Didn’t someone injure themselves with salad tongs and also someone (Wes Helms) injure his knee slipping in the tunnel near the dugout?

[Jimbo]

Starting Mark Kotsay in CF for a 2011 NLDS game against the Cardinals... A total and complete blunder by Runnin' Ron Roenicke. (RRR)

 

I can count on three hands the number of time you've brought this up over the last eight years. Geez dude, get over it. You've blown that one issue out of proportion. What Sabrmetrics has taught us is that hitting > 10x fielding. An extra bat in the lineup yields additional benefits. The reason for Shaw playing second base last year and Moustakis this year.

 

That game specifically, the win pct was 0.30 before the AB and 0.20 after the play. A negative outcome? No doubt. Did it cost the game? No. And as the other poster mentioned, he had a +0.15 WPA offensively for the game. Overall, a positive contribution.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I was just going to say, the list should start with the salad tongs. Matt Wise. He later hit a guy in the face, I want to say Pedro Lopez of CIN, and was never the same pitcher.

[TURBO]

Geez dude, get over it.

 

Are you qualified to give me that advice?

 

I was not aware that you were keeping track, but thanks for the attention.

[djoctagone]

Could we have a page dedicated to the organization’s bizarre off-field injury history?

jeff suppan and anthony swarzak had pillow issues.

[Baldkin]

Could we have a page dedicated to the organization’s bizarre off-field injury history?

jeff suppan and anthony swarzak had pillow issues.

 

Will Smith hurt his knee trying to take his cleats off without untying them.

[kalle8]

Could we have a page dedicated to the organization’s bizarre off-field injury history?

 

Greinke playing pickup basketball.

 

Lucroy dropped suitcase incident.

 

K-Rod stepping on a cactus in Spring Training.

 

Narveson scissors accident fixing glove.

 

Nilsson’s bout with Ross River Fever.

 

Was it Scooter who fell in the showers?

I remember something like that...

[MrTPlush]

Could we have a page dedicated to the organization’s bizarre off-field injury history?

 

Greinke playing pickup basketball.

 

Lucroy dropped suitcase incident.

 

K-Rod stepping on a cactus in Spring Training.

 

Narveson scissors accident fixing glove.

 

Nilsson’s bout with Ross River Fever.

 

Was it Scooter who fell in the showers?

I remember something like that...

 

Sliced his hand on the metal shower shelf trying to grab soap.