What is your 2019-2020 offseason plan for the Brewers?

[nate82]

Not saying this should be done but....

 

Lindor and Kluber for Hiura.

 

It makes some sense if you think the Brewers window is closing with Yelich and you want to try and go for broke over the next two years. Probably more of a Melvin move than a Stearns move.

 

The key to the trade here is Kluber if he is healthy and good to go next year that is a #1 pitcher and the rotation looks rather nice with Kluber and Woodruff at the top of the rotation. Lindor also looks real good in the lineup with Yelich.

 

Not something I would do but this would be going all in for the next two years with Yelich and if you add in someone like Castellanos or Donaldson and the offense looks really good.

[umpref]

Trade Hader and Cain to Mets for Thor, Smith, Nimmo. Convince Josh Donaldson to come here. This is of course if Garcia signing is done

[Brewersfanatic2882]

Not saying this should be done but....

 

Lindor and Kluber for Hiura.

 

It makes some sense if you think the Brewers window is closing with Yelich and you want to try and go for broke over the next two years. Probably more of a Melvin move than a Stearns move.

 

The key to the trade here is Kluber if he is healthy and good to go next year that is a #1 pitcher and the rotation looks rather nice with Kluber and Woodruff at the top of the rotation. Lindor also looks real good in the lineup with Yelich.

 

Not something I would do but this would be going all in for the next two years with Yelich and if you add in someone like Castellanos or Donaldson and the offense looks really good.

 

 

If this trade is offered to you, I'd do it in a heart beat no questions asked. You're getting back a dominant pitcher and an all star ss with kdaddy who has to work on a lot of things. But, with the rumors about what the dodgers are supposidly offering there is no way the Indians take this.

[tigerbrew]

Frankly I was surprise when the Brewers didn't pick up Thames 1 year $7.5M club option, the Brewers paid a $1M buyout instead. For me, I'd picked up Thames option as he's worth it based on his performance last season.

[adambr2]

Yeah, that's still a little surprising to me too. The $1M buyout effectively made the option a 1 year/$6.5M option. They are simply not going to find a .850 OPS player on the market for less than that.

[long ball]

This is just my read on the situation, but it's possible the Brewers slightly misread the market. They probably cut ties with all of these guys like Anderson and Thames to give themselves maximum payroll flexibility with the plan of re-signing Grandal or targeting one of the other top tier free agents like Rendon or Donaldson.

 

Thames' net option for $6.5mm was probably $1-1.5mm too high based on the past couple off seasons. I think he still makes sense even if it's at the same price of the option they declined if they aren't able to acquire a high caliber FA or take on a big contract through trade.

[adambr2]

This is just my read on the situation, but it's possible the Brewers slightly misread the market. They probably cut ties with all of these guys like Anderson and Thames to give themselves maximum payroll flexibility with the plan of re-signing Grandal or targeting one of the other top tier free agents like Rendon or Donaldson.

 

Thames' net option for $6.5mm was probably $1-1.5mm too high based on the past couple off seasons. I think he still makes sense even if it's at the same price of the option they declined if they aren't able to acquire a high caliber FA or take on a big contract through trade.

 

I had wondered this myself actually. I wonder if they could do it again after seeing the market if they would still decline the option. If you put a 1 year/6.5M contract in front of Thames right now I am not sure he signs it.

[Brewcrewin07]

This is just my read on the situation, but it's possible the Brewers slightly misread the market. They probably cut ties with all of these guys like Anderson and Thames to give themselves maximum payroll flexibility with the plan of re-signing Grandal or targeting one of the other top tier free agents like Rendon or Donaldson.

 

Thames' net option for $6.5mm was probably $1-1.5mm too high based on the past couple off seasons. I think he still makes sense even if it's at the same price of the option they declined if they aren't able to acquire a high caliber FA or take on a big contract through trade.

 

I 100% agree, I still think DS got caught off guard thinking he was going to bring Moose back at the very least.

 

Still no clue what they are going to do about 1B and 3rd base...not much left out there that's going to really move the needle. Still would love Castellano's bat in the lineup, no matter where you can get him to play.

[SRB]

I don't think Stearns had any interest in bringing Moustakas or Grandal back. The only reason we signed them in the first place is because they were on affordable one-year deals, rather than the multiyear deals they got that are going to be harmful to their signing teams down the road. Stearns is very value-oriented.

 

Although a 1B platoon still seems attractive to me as a fan (with a guy like C.J. Cron), my hunch is that he didn't want to bring Thames back (at least not without a discount) because he values roster flexibility and was tired of having to carry two 1B. Thames was very good for us overall, but he is a true platoon player who cannot hit LHP.

[RollieTime]

This is just my read on the situation, but it's possible the Brewers slightly misread the market. They probably cut ties with all of these guys like Anderson and Thames to give themselves maximum payroll flexibility with the plan of re-signing Grandal or targeting one of the other top tier free agents like Rendon or Donaldson.

 

Thames' net option for $6.5mm was probably $1-1.5mm too high based on the past couple off seasons. I think he still makes sense even if it's at the same price of the option they declined if they aren't able to acquire a high caliber FA or take on a big contract through trade.

 

I 100% agree, I still think DS got caught off guard thinking he was going to bring Moose back at the very least.

 

Still no clue what they are going to do about 1B and 3rd base...not much left out there that's going to really move the needle. Still would love Castellano's bat in the lineup, no matter where you can get him to play.

 

Castellanos is definitely a logical target for the Brewers. They need that right handed power bat in the lineup that they still lack and a real threat to protect Yelich. Castellanos would provide that. Get him to play right field and move Braun to first mostly full time. If injuries arise, Braun can be moved back to the outfield and someone else can slot in at 1st.

 

Castellanos just makes so much sense for the Brewers. It would be nice to add a veteran bat like that to the lineup as well since we have quite a few new faces and young guys possibly starting for us that a bat like that to add some stability to the lineup would be very beneficial (Narvaez, Urias, Hiura, one of first or third).

[Brewcrewin07]

Here is an updated list for anybody interested. If I am missing anyone, let me know!

 

Position Players

 

Braun $17 million

Cain $16 million

Yelich $12.5 million

Hiura $500K

Arcia $2.2 million

Urias $500K

Pina $1.8 million

Gamel $1.4 million

Narvaez (Arb. $2.9 million)

 

Total $54.8

 

Rotation

 

Woodruff $500K

Houser $500K

Lauer $500K

Lindblom $3 million

 

Total $4.5 million

 

Bullpen

 

Hader $5 million

Knebel (Arb. $5.2 million)

Claudio $1.8 million

Suter $1 million

Peralta $500K

Feyereisen $500K

Wahl $500K

 

Total $14.5 million

 

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

 

D. Guerra $500K

D. Williams $500K

Faria $500K

Burnes $500K

 

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

 

Thames $1 million

Moustakas $3 million

Grandal $2.25 million

Garza $2 million

 

Total $8.25 million

 

$54.8 + $4.5 + $14.5 + $8.25 = $82.05 Million Current Payroll

 

Roughly $46 million below last year’s payroll

 

And people laughed at the notion, and blasted me for saying it was obvious they were cutting payroll, and then linking things that said the same. This pretty much says they are 100%. Sure, it's early yet, but again, who is left out there that you are going to hand $46 million worth of contracts to?? They haven't been linked to Donaldson or Castellanos(arguable the two highest priced FA's left), so outside of those two, if you do give out 46 million to match last year's payroll, you severely over paid most likely which everyone here completely hates.

[TJseven7]

There are a lot of good baseball players still out there. I could easily find a use for 32 million without overpaying for crap or paying anyone over 6mil AAV. (I was at 44 mil roughly with my wish list and Anderson takes the spot of Hill or Gio). Granted it would force a lot of "guys" off the 40 man.

 

The question is will they spend on the pen and depth. If we go ahead with Faria Black Wahl and a no name utility IF as locked in 26 man pieces, they'll certainly cut a good chunk of payroll.

[tigerbrew]

Here is an updated list for anybody interested. If I am missing anyone, let me know!

 

Position Players

 

Braun $17 million

Cain $16 million

Yelich $12.5 million

Hiura $500K

Arcia $2.2 million

Urias $500K

Pina $1.8 million

Gamel $1.4 million

Narvaez (Arb. $2.9 million)

 

Total $54.8

 

Rotation

 

Woodruff $500K

Houser $500K

Lauer $500K

Lindblom $3 million

 

Total $4.5 million

 

Bullpen

 

Hader $5 million

Knebel (Arb. $5.2 million)

Claudio $1.8 million

Suter $1 million

Peralta $500K

Feyereisen $500K

Wahl $500K

 

Total $14.5 million

 

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

 

D. Guerra $500K

D. Williams $500K

Faria $500K

Burnes $500K

 

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

 

Thames $1 million

Moustakas $3 million

Grandal $2.25 million

Garza $2 million

 

Total $8.25 million

 

$54.8 + $4.5 + $14.5 + $8.25 = $82.05 Million Current Payroll

 

Roughly $46 million below last year’s payroll

 

The Bucks payroll is $134.07M for only 15 players, this is currently $52M more than the Brewers 2020 payroll.

 

The Bucks ownership have given Giannis and Bucks fans a much higher commitment to win a championship compared to the Brewers ownership's commitment to Brewers fans and Yelich on winning a WS.

 

With the much higher financial commitment, Bucks ownership is able to give Giannis a solid supporting cast to win a championship. While the Brewers ownership has so far been cheapskate, Yelich's supporting cast is not so good and the team doesn't look like a WS contender.

[wntrtxn21]

Here is an updated list for anybody interested. If I am missing anyone, let me know!

 

Position Players

 

Braun $17 million

Cain $16 million

Yelich $12.5 million

Hiura $500K

Arcia $2.2 million

Urias $500K

Pina $1.8 million

Gamel $1.4 million

Narvaez (Arb. $2.9 million)

 

Total $54.8

 

Rotation

 

Woodruff $500K

Houser $500K

Lauer $500K

Lindblom $3 million

 

Total $4.5 million

 

Bullpen

 

Hader $5 million

Knebel (Arb. $5.2 million)

Claudio $1.8 million

Suter $1 million

Peralta $500K

Feyereisen $500K

Wahl $500K

 

Total $14.5 million

 

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

 

D. Guerra $500K

D. Williams $500K

Faria $500K

Burnes $500K

 

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

 

Thames $1 million

Moustakas $3 million

Grandal $2.25 million

Garza $2 million

 

Total $8.25 million

 

$54.8 + $4.5 + $14.5 + $8.25 = $82.05 Million Current Payroll

 

Roughly $46 million below last year’s payroll

 

The Bucks payroll is $134.07M for only 15 players, this is currently $52M more than the Brewers 2020 payroll.

 

The Bucks ownership have given Giannis and Bucks fans a much higher commitment to win a championship compared to the Brewers ownership's commitment to Brewers fans and Yelich on winning a WS.

 

With the much higher financial commitment, Bucks ownership is able to give Giannis a solid supporting cast to win a championship. While the Brewers ownership has so far been cheapskate, Yelich's supporting cast is not so good and the team doesn't look like a WS contender.

 

The financial dynamics of the NBA are completely different than MLB. You can't compare apples to autos like you are trying to do. According to every known source the Brewers LOST money last year. To call ownership cheapskates is absolutely ridiculous. Of course you would have a totally different view if it was YOUR money you were losing.

[tigerbrew]

Here is an updated list for anybody interested. If I am missing anyone, let me know!

 

Position Players

 

Braun $17 million

Cain $16 million

Yelich $12.5 million

Hiura $500K

Arcia $2.2 million

Urias $500K

Pina $1.8 million

Gamel $1.4 million

Narvaez (Arb. $2.9 million)

 

Total $54.8

 

Rotation

 

Woodruff $500K

Houser $500K

Lauer $500K

Lindblom $3 million

 

Total $4.5 million

 

Bullpen

 

Hader $5 million

Knebel (Arb. $5.2 million)

Claudio $1.8 million

Suter $1 million

Peralta $500K

Feyereisen $500K

Wahl $500K

 

Total $14.5 million

 

Other Options (not included on payroll list)

 

D. Guerra $500K

D. Williams $500K

Faria $500K

Burnes $500K

 

Buyouts/Deferred Payments

 

Thames $1 million

Moustakas $3 million

Grandal $2.25 million

Garza $2 million

 

Total $8.25 million

 

$54.8 + $4.5 + $14.5 + $8.25 = $82.05 Million Current Payroll

 

Roughly $46 million below last year’s payroll

 

The Bucks payroll is $134.07M for only 15 players, this is currently $52M more than the Brewers 2020 payroll.

 

The Bucks ownership have given Giannis and Bucks fans a much higher commitment to win a championship compared to the Brewers ownership's commitment to Brewers fans and Yelich on winning a WS.

 

With the much higher financial commitment, Bucks ownership is able to give Giannis a solid supporting cast to win a championship. While the Brewers ownership has so far been cheapskate, Yelich's supporting cast is not so good and the team doesn't look like a WS contender.

 

The financial dynamics of the NBA are completely different than MLB. You can't compare apples to autos like you are trying to do. According to every known source the Brewers LOST money last year. To call ownership cheapskates is absolutely ridiculous. Of course you would have a totally different view if it was YOUR money you were losing.

 

http://www.wtmj.com/sports/baseball/milwaukee-brewers/brewers-made-66-million-in-2018-team-makes-second-most-per-fan-in-all-of-major-league-baseball/1067753279

 

The Brewers made a $66 million profit last year, they didn't lost money. The owner has been making profits.

 

Not only that Mark A bought the Brewers for $223M in 2005, the team is now worth about $1.2 billion in 2019. The owner will also make a ton of money if he decides to sell the team.

 

You don't have to worry for the owner, the Brewers have been a great investment for him.

[MrTPlush]

The Brewers will add someone major. I am starting to wonder if Josh Donaldson is a real possibility. I just don't see them cutting payroll so much it is under $100mil. That's beyond cutting payroll...that just looks terrible.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

The Brewers will add someone major. I am starting to wonder if Josh Donaldson is a real possibility. I just don't see them cutting payroll so much it is under $100mil. That's beyond cutting payroll...that just looks terrible.

 

Especially in the midst of a rebrand. I am under this same assumption. If they don't sign a expensive free agent, they'll trade for a high-priced guy to be a major bat in the lineup. I'm a 100% admitted David Stearns apologist, and even I can admit that rolling out a huge rebrand and then pinching every penny is a horrible look.

[Devinep]

The Brewers will add someone major. I am starting to wonder if Josh Donaldson is a real possibility. I just don't see them cutting payroll so much it is under $100mil. That's beyond cutting payroll...that just looks terrible.

 

He just makes so much sense in my mind. They could use a 3B, a righty bat behind Yelich, and his contract will fit the competitive window well

[Eye Black]

[sarcasm]Well Josh Donaldson did ask Yelich for hitting advice this off-season.[/sarcasm]

[A Swing and A Drive]

The Brewers will add someone major. I am starting to wonder if Josh Donaldson is a real possibility. I just don't see them cutting payroll so much it is under $100mil. That's beyond cutting payroll...that just looks terrible.

 

Breaking News: The Brewers will not be signing someone major.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

The Brewers will add someone major. I am starting to wonder if Josh Donaldson is a real possibility. I just don't see them cutting payroll so much it is under $100mil. That's beyond cutting payroll...that just looks terrible.

 

Breaking News: The Brewers will not be signing someone major.

 

I feel like this would be a much safer statement to make in March.

[Devinep]

The Brewers will add someone major. I am starting to wonder if Josh Donaldson is a real possibility. I just don't see them cutting payroll so much it is under $100mil. That's beyond cutting payroll...that just looks terrible.

 

Breaking News: The Brewers will not be signing someone major.

 

Ooh breaking news! Source?

[adambr2]

Would something like 3/84 with a 20M team option for a 4th year with a 6M buyout get it done for Donaldson? That's effectively 3/90, up to 4/104, but let's us pay him 27M a year for 3 years and then defer 6M to the 4th year.

 

Does that have a chance or is it going to take a 9 figure guarantee and a 4th guaranteed season?

[TURBO]

Would something like 3/84 with a 20M team option for a 4th year with a 6M buyout get it done for Donaldson? That's effectively 3/90, up to 4/104, but let's us pay him 27M a year for 3 years and then defer 6M to the 4th year.

 

Does that have a chance or is it going to take a 9 figure guarantee and a 4th guaranteed season?

 

Since we have the money, and Braun coming off the books next season, we could do that deal if we wanted. Question is, would Josh be willing to do that, and join a small market club as opposed to joining a big name team?

 

My guess is that if a larger market team comes close to that offer, he goes with that team over us. I'd love to see the offers he has gotten to this point.

[MrTPlush]

I think number of years is more of a problem than actual yearly salary. It isn’t hard to get creative and make a 3-4 year deal work. They may not sign a Ryu/Donaldson, but contract wise that is a lot different than trying to fit a Rendon into the payroll.