2019-10-01 (NL Wild Card Game): Brewers (Woodruff) at Nationals (Scherzer) 7:08 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 4-3 -- Nationals score 3 runs in 8th inning; Heartbreaking end to 2019]

[adambr2]

Can somebody please explain to me why, with a guy on in the top of he ninth, down 4-3, with our season on the line, Craig Counsell sends Orlando Arcia, the worst hitter in baseball the past two seasons (based on 450 PA per season min) to the plate?

 

I'm not even going to get into the whole "leaving Hader in when it's clear he has absolutely no control" discussion. Arcia is a known entity. If you don't at least tie the game with those last three outs, Arcia's defense doesn't matter, because the game's over. Anybody else would have given us a better chance at either moving the base runner up, or driving him in.

 

That was absolutely maddening. I thought Tyler Austin was going to get an AB, but literally any position player on the team would have been a better option. I don't know if CC was still too dazed from what happened in the 8th, but that was a terrible decision.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Josh Turnbow or Josh Axford?

 

Threw 30 pitches. 14 for strikes and that's counting some terrible swings out of the zone by the Nationals.

 

He managed to screw our season twice in 4 days.

 

Impressive.

 

Take not allowed. Hader is totally fine.

[Pugger]

Stop. Blaming. Hader. Grisham is trash.

Grisham is a 22-year-old rookie who wouldn’t be playing if the reigning MVP was healthy. Cut the kid some slack.

 

He shouldn’t be in the game over Gamel period.

 

And what then, leave Braun in instead?

[biglegend]

Nice run to make it here, but 4 straight losses to end the season - yuck! The fact that Hader hasn’t improved his other pitches is on him and this Brewers staff. They all knew last season he needed another pitch other than his fastball and no improvement what so ever - huge blunder on the part of Hader and the coaching staff! If he is the crews closer, I want him in the traditional role of an inning or inning and a third. I actually like Grisham and think this team needs another top flight starter

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm aware and I don't like it, much like I didn't want him pitching the closer role in this game because he's wildly ineffective at doing so. I said I would have wanted him as my first guy out of the pen in this very thread. I was very confident in him doing this crap again.

 

But call that a crap take if it makes you feel better about our savior trashing our season in consecutive appearances.

 

So thanks for the warning that you'll have a new dead horse to beat next season I guess.

 

What was the first dead horse? You have a real problem with me I've noticed, which is odd because I literally don't remember interacting with you at all.

[82brewcrew82]

Josh Turnbow or Josh Axford?

 

Threw 30 pitches. 14 for strikes and that's counting some terrible swings out of the zone by the Nationals.

 

He managed to screw our season twice in 4 days.

 

Impressive.

 

Take not allowed. Hader is totally fine.

Why isn't it allowed. You've posted it many, many times over.

[Bulldogboy]

Can somebody please explain to me why, with a guy on in the top of he ninth, down 4-3, with our season on the line, Craig Counsell sends Orlando Arcia, the worst hitter in baseball the past two seasons (based on 450 PA per season min) to the plate?

 

I'm not even going to get into the whole "leaving Hader in when it's clear he has absolutely no control" discussion. Arcia is a known entity. If you don't at least tie the game with those last three outs, Arcia's defense doesn't matter, because the game's over. Anybody else would have given us a better chance at either moving the base runner up, or driving him in.

The question won't be asked but it should be. If it's his last ab as a brewers which it should be it was fitting.

[TexasCheesehead]

If you call yourself a brewers fan and all you can say is, “well we had a great run!”, you’re not a fan. You have zero emotion. Zero anger about how the game ended. You’re allowed to be pissed as hell at giving up the lead on a ball that literally a little leaguer would have nabbed...and yeah, Hader probably would’ve gotten the next out statically speaking

[phnxcrew]

The game is clearly on a lot of people, first of all. Grisham, Hader, Counsell, the entire offense beyond two swings and the fans that don’t get why you can be ticked beyond belief at a season ending in a stupid way. What do you expect? 7 months of anticipation and oh no, I’m a little mad at the player that might not have loses the game, but gave up the lead according to the official score book?

 

Only the "look on the bright side" crowd is saying Grisham isn't at all to blame..... he obviously was. The point is the game was over regardless at that point. Hader should not be a go-to until he gets his slider back. Or at least some control of his fastball. Last year it would've been six up six down and we'd be playing the Dodgers. Hader has completely lost control of his fastball and slider and either needs to go or needs to fix it.

[Eye Black]

Yeah. Hader is “bad”...stfu

Y’all are idiots. Hader won 2 reliver of the month awards and might win reliever of the year and you want him down

 

Neither of these is okay or allowed here.

[trwi7]

Stop. Blaming. Hader. Grisham is trash.

 

The first 7 innings the Brewers gave up 3 hits and 0 walks. Hader gave up 2 hits and a walk in his inning and one of his outs came on the bases.

 

He did get unlucky as hell with that broken bat single.

 

I don't disagree but he also threw under half of his pitches for strikes and generally just looked bad out there. Blaming Grisham (and giving Hader no blame) for giving the Nats the lead when Hader had already given the Nats at least a tie based on his poor pitching seems way over the top.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Josh Turnbow or Josh Axford?

 

Threw 30 pitches. 14 for strikes and that's counting some terrible swings out of the zone by the Nationals.

 

He managed to screw our season twice in 4 days.

 

Impressive.

 

Take not allowed. Hader is totally fine.

Why isn't it allowed. You've posted it many, many times over.

 

And I've got like six people acting real cranky about it.

 

15HR/75IP...yeah he's fine. And he didn't need to give one up tonight to blow the season.

[Pugger]

Have a fun off season knowing you ruined our season Grisham

 

Give it a damn rest. He's a freakin' rookie trying to fill in for the best player in baseball. smh

[phnxcrew]

He managed to screw our season twice in 4 days.

 

Impressive.

 

Take not allowed. Hader is totally fine.

Why isn't it allowed. You've posted it many, many times over.

 

He's joking but too angry to use the sarcasm filter

[TexasCheesehead]

Yeah. Hader is “bad”...stfu

Y’all are idiots. Hader won 2 reliver of the month awards and might win reliever of the year and you want him down

 

Neither of these is okay or allowed here.

 

Can we stop pretending 12 year olds use this forum? They’re on twitter

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Yes, and in June everyone will think so, but right now you can still dupe somebody.

 

Or you can wait until you have Derrick Turnbow.

 

You just keep doubling and tripling down on this horrible take. I'm going to chalk it up to the emotion of the IGT and this terrible loss. I'm sure you'll eventually realize how bad this take actually sounds. Derrick Turnbow? LOL sure

 

You're not really this sage guy you think you are. You were #1 "Jeffress is giving up cheap hits, he's fine" guy. When Hader finishes the Brewers reliever life cycle and sucks next year you'll wish they'd gotten rid of him this winter.

 

I agree with 82 ... this isn't a crap take, it's an immature one. Jeffress was terrific last year, and obviously lost it this year. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him latch on somewhere and be an effective reliever again. Relief pitching is volatile. Jeffress was a journeyman who found something last year. I was hoping he'd find it again this year, but it didn't happen. Hader is young, proven and is going to keep on throwing gas. His talent is in a different stratosphere than Jeffress. He isn't going anywhere.

[82brewcrew82]

And I've got like six people acting real cranky about it.

 

15HR/75IP...yeah he's fine. And he didn't need to give one up tonight to blow the season.

Nobody is acting cranky except you. The flak you are getting is for good reason.

[yourout]

Why do the teams i follow always seem to lose in spectacular fashion instead of non dramatic one?

 

I would rather lose 5 to 2 and trailed the whole game.

[MrTPlush]

Grisham gave the Nationals the lead...that is simply a fact.

 

You can play the what if game had he come up with the ball...but he gave them the lead. The announcers made it seem like a play at home was possible...not sure how accurate that was. So maybe you could even argue he blew a chance to preserve the lead...but I certainly won’t go that far.

[TURBO]

Yeah. Hader is “bad”...stfu

Y’all are idiots. Hader won 2 reliver of the month awards and might win reliever of the year and you want him down

 

Neither of these is okay or allowed here.

 

Please, do what is needed. This guy offers nothing to these pages.

[TJseven7]

Can somebody please explain to me why, with a guy on in the top of he ninth, down 4-3, with our season on the line, Craig Counsell sends Orlando Arcia, the worst hitter in baseball the past two seasons (based on 450 PA per season min) to the plate?

 

I'm not even going to get into the whole "leaving Hader in when it's clear he has absolutely no control" discussion. Arcia is a known entity. If you don't at least tie the game with those last three outs, Arcia's defense doesn't matter, because the game's over. Anybody else would have given us a better chance at either moving the base runner up, or driving him in.

 

This also made zero sense. I know our bench wasn't looking overly strong but OA is not a guy you want up down 1 in the final inning.-

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Grisham. All I can say is Lmao. He could have tossed the 4th run out at home and there is no way the Brewers win. That was over when wild Josh came in and Craig was asleep at the wheel.

[willie key]

Josh Turnbow or Josh Axford?

 

Threw 30 pitches. 14 for strikes and that's counting some terrible swings out of the zone by the Nationals.

 

He managed to screw our season twice in 4 days.

 

Impressive.

 

Take not allowed. Hader is totally fine.

 

 

Every take is allowed. Either agree or disagree with yours

 

Tomorrow we can start the how real fans should act thread

[82brewcrew82]

Why do the teams i follow always seem to lose in spectacular fashion instead of non dramatic one?

 

I would rather lose 5 to 2 and trailed the whole game.

You've angered the sports gods and need to make amends.

[pacopete4]

If you call yourself a brewers fan and all you can say is, “well we had a great run!”, you’re not a fan. You have zero emotion. Zero anger about how the game ended. You’re allowed to be pissed as hell at giving up the lead on a ball that literally a little leaguer would have nabbed...and yeah, Hader probably would’ve gotten the next out statically speaking

 

Clown.