2019-10-01 (NL Wild Card Game): Brewers (Woodruff) at Nationals (Scherzer) 7:08 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 4-3 -- Nationals score 3 runs in 8th inning; Heartbreaking end to 2019]

[phnxcrew]

Hader isn't bad but he certainly is an exceptional talent with limited control on one pitch. Trade him if you can convince some one he's as good as the stats have been. We need a guy to come through, not a wildly effective guy with one pitch sometimes.

 

I wonder if Knebel is on schedule with his rehab, and if he'll be able to start the season in the pen. Installing him as the closer and moving Hader back to that set-up multi inning role would make this pen so much better.

 

The problem is it was Hader for two, do or die. And the past week showed it was pretty obvious it was "die". Get Knebel healthy, but get a couple reliable arms in the pen and some one to throw more than four innings a start with Woodruff. And you can still re-sign Pomeranz / trade Hader for high end prospects if the deal is there. The big markets like flashy relievers. Turn him into another Gomez/ fiers package

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Yes, and in June everyone will think so, but right now you can still dupe somebody.

 

Or you can wait until you have Derrick Turnbow.

 

You just keep doubling and tripling down on this horrible take. I'm going to chalk it up to the emotion of the IGT and this terrible loss. I'm sure you'll eventually realize how bad this take actually sounds. Derrick Turnbow? LOL sure

[wallus]

Two posters in this thread need a long timeout or worse... you can all guess who.

[Lostpawn]

I wish this forum permitted to use the degree of language I want to use to describe how I feel about Grisham

 

I completely understand, and feel the same way, but my most harsh feelings are reserved for Hader, Counsell, and the decision making that went into letting Hader continue to pitch even after getting into a deep jam. He should have been pulled after the HBP and the several pitches that were clearly way outside of his target. Grandal (ironically) saved Hader’s bacon a couple of times.

 

Why did they even go to Hader in the 8th? Pom was comfortable and doing his thing. That was a CYA move by Counsell, and boy did it backfire. Just a bad decision, period.

 

Thankfully this is just baseball. I’m extremely disappointed, but next season is around the corner. Let’s go get some pitching, pretty please!

[Pugger]

The bullpen and hitting with runners in scoring position hurt us all year and did again tonight.

 

Hitting with RISP has been an issue all season. That killed us more than the pen did.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Yes, and in June everyone will think so, but right now you can still dupe somebody.

 

Or you can wait until you have Derrick Turnbow.

Can't have it both ways. Hader is here to stay like it or not.

 

 

I'm aware and I don't like it, much like I didn't want him pitching the closer role in this game because he's wildly ineffective at doing so. I said I would have wanted him as my first guy out of the pen in this very thread. I was very confident in him doing this crap again.

 

But call that a crap take if it makes you feel better about our savior trashing our season in consecutive appearances.

[willie key]

Hader will not be useless unless he loses a couple mph on his fastball. But his time as some shutdown superstar reliever could be done. I also put a little of this on counsell. The guy already had the weight of blowing the division on his shoulders and now you want him to get 6 outs

 

The guy barely got two. Let alone 6

 

Everyone was worried about him coming in. Everyone

[rondoman]

Josh Turnbow or Josh Axford?

 

Threw 30 pitches. 14 for strikes and that's counting some terrible swings out of the zone by the Nationals.

 

He managed to screw our season twice in 4 days.

 

Impressive.

[Bulldogboy]

No where near as disappointing as last year. If Cain is really done as an effective hitter and no Grandal this is not going to go well. In my opinion.

[dlk9s]

Love how y’all get mad at me for being mad a Major League Baseball player ruined our year because he missed a routine grounder

 

You need to be upset at the situation and not the player. There's a difference.

[TURBO]

I think Hader was coming out if it was tied. If that hit scored 2, then Lyles was coming in...

 

When, in the 9th?

 

No one was up in the pen. CC was going to win or lose with Hader, and he lost.

 

A hefty part of the blame belongs to CC in this one. Hader didn't have it, and most of us knew it, too bad the guy calling the shots didn't.

[Pugger]

I would call this a play-in game. No playoffs this year for us, but still a pretty great season all things considered. an 18-2 run I assume is the best in franchise history. We lost because our right fielder looked like the worst guy on my softball teams.

 

If Hader isn't wild and CC had someone up as soon as he saw Josh didn't have it our season isn't over.

[rickh150]

Yes, and in June everyone will think so, but right now you can still dupe somebody.

 

Or you can wait until you have Derrick Turnbow.

Can't have it both ways. Hader is here to stay like it or not.

 

 

I'm aware and I don't like it, much like I didn't want him pitching the closer role in this game because he's wildly ineffective at doing so. I said I would have wanted him as my first guy out of the pen in this very thread. I was very confident in him doing this crap again.

 

But call that a crap take if it makes you feel better about our savior trashing our season in consecutive appearances.

 

Looks like you won't be making thousands selling Brewers postseason tickets..... that makes me feel a little better.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

 

Yes, and in June everyone will think so, but right now you can still dupe somebody.

 

Or you can wait until you have Derrick Turnbow.

 

You just keep doubling and tripling down on this horrible take. I'm going to chalk it up to the emotion of the IGT and this terrible loss. I'm sure you'll eventually realize how bad this take actually sounds. Derrick Turnbow? LOL sure

 

You're not really this sage guy you think you are. You were #1 "Jeffress is giving up cheap hits, he's fine" guy. When Hader finishes the Brewers reliever life cycle and sucks next year you'll wish they'd gotten rid of him this winter.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Hader isn't bad but he certainly is an exceptional talent with limited control on one pitch. Trade him if you can convince some one he's as good as the stats have been. We need a guy to come through, not a wildly effective guy with one pitch sometimes.

 

I wonder if Knebel is on schedule with his rehab, and if he'll be able to start the season in the pen. Installing him as the closer and moving Hader back to that set-up multi inning role would make this pen so much better.

 

Y’all are idiots. Hader won 2 reliver of the month awards and might win reliever of the year and you want him down

 

Yes, he is more valuable in the role he played most of 2018 than as the straight closer. He was a better pitcher last year. You can use him for matchups rather than just saying "it's the 9th, time for Hader."

[The stache]

Can somebody please explain to me why, with a guy on in the top of he ninth, down 4-3, with our season on the line, Craig Counsell sends Orlando Arcia, the worst hitter in baseball the past two seasons (based on 450 PA per season min) to the plate?

 

I'm not even going to get into the whole "leaving Hader in when it's clear he has absolutely no control" discussion. Arcia is a known entity. If you don't at least tie the game with those last three outs, Arcia's defense doesn't matter, because the game's over. Anybody else would have given us a better chance at either moving the base runner up, or driving him in.

[rondoman]

I think Hader was coming out if it was tied. If that hit scored 2, then Lyles was coming in...

 

When, in the 9th?

 

No one was up in the pen. CC was going to win or lose with Hader, and he lost.

 

A hefty part of the blame belongs to CC in this one. Hader didn't have it, and most of us knew it, too bad the guy calling the shots didn't.

 

 

Uhhh Lyles was warming as Hader was choking.

[82brewcrew82]

Yes, and in June everyone will think so, but right now you can still dupe somebody.

 

Or you can wait until you have Derrick Turnbow.

Can't have it both ways. Hader is here to stay like it or not.

 

 

I'm aware and I don't like it, much like I didn't want him pitching the closer role in this game because he's wildly ineffective at doing so. I said I would have wanted him as my first guy out of the pen in this very thread. I was very confident in him doing this crap again.

 

But call that a crap take if it makes you feel better about our savior trashing our season in consecutive appearances.

I didn't call your takes crap. Childish, yes. Crap, no. Our season was trashed long ago. The opportunities were there and the TEAM failed to take advantage. To put all that on one guys is, well, simple.

[willie key]

That’s something to blow the division and then knock your team out of the playoffs in three days.

 

That might a first ever in Major League Baseball. Congrats josh

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I'm aware and I don't like it, much like I didn't want him pitching the closer role in this game because he's wildly ineffective at doing so. I said I would have wanted him as my first guy out of the pen in this very thread. I was very confident in him doing this crap again.

 

But call that a crap take if it makes you feel better about our savior trashing our season in consecutive appearances.

 

So thanks for the warning that you'll have a new dead horse to beat next season I guess.

[Pugger]

Stop. Blaming. Hader. Grisham is trash.

 

The first 7 innings the Brewers gave up 3 hits and 0 walks. Hader gave up 2 hits and a walk in his inning and one of his outs came on the bases.

 

He did get unlucky as hell with that broken bat single.

[phnxcrew]

As Forrest Gump said about Jennay "sometimes there just aren't enough rrooooocks"

[Pugger]

Can we trade Grisham to Baltimore and never see him again?

 

Yelich will be out there instead next season so not to worry. Grisham is a kid and he'll get better.

[TexasCheesehead]

The game is clearly on a lot of people, first of all. Grisham, Hader, Counsell, the entire offense beyond two swings and the fans that don’t get why you can be ticked beyond belief at a season ending in a stupid way. What do you expect? 7 months of anticipation and oh no, I’m a little mad at the player that might not have loses the game, but gave up the lead according to the official score book?

[willie key]

I do wonder if grish is on the opening day roster though. I could see him back in the minors

 

Heck of a season for Eric Thames. Props to him