2019-10-01 (NL Wild Card Game): Brewers (Woodruff) at Nationals (Scherzer) 7:08 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 4-3 -- Nationals score 3 runs in 8th inning; Heartbreaking end to 2019]

[nodakfan17]

I would say Grisham was the Buckner moment.

C’mom. You’re talking World Series vs Wild Card game. Don’t hang this on the poor kid.

[AKCheesehead]

It's cathartic watching the aftermath of a terrible loss like this reverberate through the death growls of the IGT. It's a good way to shake it off, and your best chance at achieving restful sleep.

 

Crap what an unfortunate finish.

[TexasCheesehead]

Have a fun off season knowing you ruined our season Grisham

[82brewcrew82]

Hader isn't bad but he certainly is an exceptional talent with limited control on one pitch. Trade him if you can convince some one he's as good as the stats have been. We need a guy to come through, not a wildly effective guy with one pitch sometimes.

 

Thank you. His "take the league by storm" period has passed. He will be an utterly unreliable heart attack from here on out. I pass. If we're smart we should absolutely get rid of him now.

For what? He sucks, right?

[bucks2281]

Can we trade Grisham to Baltimore and never see him again?

 

Can we trade you to bleedcubbieblue.com and never see you again?

 

Bud, any guy in this forum would’ve stopped that ball.

 

Hader would have just coughed up another run on the next batter

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The gymnastics in this thread to pretend that Hader didn't absolutely choke this away are astounding. Lmao. Loads the bases and at a minimum ties the game but it's Grisham...ok...

 

Same guys clinging to the fantasy last year that everything was fine with Jeffress.

 

Yeah, he choked it away. It happens.

 

You are saying Hader is done. That is just an astoundingly bad, wrong take.

 

Sure. Just like it was with Jeffress. Who was totally, absolutely fine and just unlucky. Where is he playing now?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Hader isn't bad but he certainly is an exceptional talent with limited control on one pitch. Trade him if you can convince some one he's as good as the stats have been. We need a guy to come through, not a wildly effective guy with one pitch sometimes.

 

I wonder if Knebel is on schedule with his rehab, and if he'll be able to start the season in the pen. Installing him as the closer and moving Hader back to that set-up multi inning role would make this pen so much better.

[82brewcrew82]

The gymnastics in this thread to pretend that Hader didn't absolutely choke this away are astounding. Lmao. Loads the bases and at a minimum ties the game but it's Grisham...ok...

 

Same guys clinging to the fantasy last year that everything was fine with Jeffress.

 

Yeah, he choked it away. It happens.

 

You are saying Hader is done. That is just an astoundingly bad, wrong take.

 

Sure. Just like it was with Jeffress. Who was totally, absolutely fine and just unlucky. Where is he playing now?

Hader isn't, and never has been Jeffress.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Hader isn't bad but he certainly is an exceptional talent with limited control on one pitch. Trade him if you can convince some one he's as good as the stats have been. We need a guy to come through, not a wildly effective guy with one pitch sometimes.

 

Thank you. His "take the league by storm" period has passed. He will be an utterly unreliable heart attack from here on out. I pass. If we're smart we should absolutely get rid of him now.

For what? He sucks, right?

 

Yes, and in June everyone will think so, but right now you can still dupe somebody.

 

Or you can wait until you have Derrick Turnbow.

[ReverendBrewmeister]

Inability to get clutch hits in the middle part of the game to tack on runs was a killer. Should’ve scored more than 3 tonight.

 

Didn’t like the Hader for two innings. Had he been on, I would’ve looked stupid with that take. But his control was awful tonight.

 

I would like to see if Knebel can come back in 2020 and be the closer. Adding another setup man—possibly signing Pomeranz—should shore up the bullpen.

 

Sucks to go through a gut-punch loss like that. We now have our Bill Buckner moment.

[topper09er]

I think if we were NYY/BOS/CHC Grisham's life would be effectively over. Full season of Yelich/Hiura should be sweet next year

[TURBO]

Have a fun off season knowing you ruined our season Grisham

 

Can someone ban this turd please...

[Bulldogboy]

The Arcia swing at the first pitch in the 9th must be investigated. Who would have thought Pom would end up more dominant than Hader?

[TexasCheesehead]

Hader isn't bad but he certainly is an exceptional talent with limited control on one pitch. Trade him if you can convince some one he's as good as the stats have been. We need a guy to come through, not a wildly effective guy with one pitch sometimes.

 

I wonder if Knebel is on schedule with his rehab, and if he'll be able to start the season in the pen. Installing him as the closer and moving Hader back to that set-up multi inning role would make this pen so much better.

 

Y’all are idiots. Hader won 2 reliver of the month awards and might win reliever of the year and you want him down

[Pugger]

that sucked...I'd say they deserved better, but then again they probably didn't when you look a their whole 2019 body of work.

 

kinda fitting that the season ended due to the expose the gaping hole Knebel's injury in spring training left on this roster

 

Pen was this team's Achilles Heel all year, and bit them tonight.

 

Not really. Suter Pomeranz and others were fine. HAder didn't have it tonite but CC kept him in when it was obvious Josh was too wild.

[82brewcrew82]

Yes, and in June everyone will think so, but right now you can still dupe somebody.

 

Or you can wait until you have Derrick Turnbow.

Can't have it both ways. Hader is here to stay like it or not.

[markedman5]

Have a fun off season knowing you ruined our season Grisham

 

Time to put you on ignore..... you earned it

[MrTPlush]

Grisham choked hardcore. Misses a ball by feet in the outfield...quite embarrassing to say the least. Maybe it would have mattered...maybe not. Regardless what a moment to fall flat on your face and look like a tee ball player.

 

And Hader...the main blame...yikes. I don’t blame leaving him in against Soto. He was our guy, the match up made sense...but thus we just weren’t good enough.

 

I wish they would have made the special September something to remember. Instead they choked their chance for the division against a 90 loss team and then blew it in embarrassing fashion in the Wild Card game.

[TJseven7]

The gymnastics in this thread to pretend that Hader didn't absolutely choke this away are astounding. Lmao. Loads the bases and at a minimum ties the game but it's Grisham...ok...

 

Same guys clinging to the fantasy last year that everything was fine with Jeffress.

Nobody said Hader didn't give it up tonight, quite the opposite. Claiming he is finished is just childish IMO.

 

I'll take that stand. CC didn't see what 90% of us did. You don't leave him out there when he has absolutely no slider and terrible FB control. He was off. It happens. Correct for that. CC didn't. I blame the manager. We are all over analytics and new numbers blah blah blah. I'm sure those numbers can figure out that leaving a wild pitcher in with the bases loaded is a bad idea for a number of reasons.

 

He shouldn't have faced Rendon. He couldn't locate a FB and had no slider.

[82brewcrew82]

Have a fun off season knowing you ruined our season Grisham

 

Time to put you on ignore..... you earned it

Agreed......strongly.

[HarveysWBs]

My crap takes wound up 100% spot on, lmao. I said the last four days I absolutely hated Hader closing this game out. I said I hated bringing him in when they did in the game we had a chance to tie. I wanted Pomeranz in the 9th here.

 

Next year when Hader's era is over 5 you won't be calling it a crap take anymore. Over him, he is toast.

Look, relievers are volatile. It is tough to expect consistent excellence one year to the next. And it’s not totally outside the realm of possibility that he will have a major slide next year. But if you look at a pitcher that performed like a Hader did this year and all you see is trash, and you’re going on record saying he’s going to be 5+ era guy—borderline un-rosterable, then I don’t know what to tell you. You are letting your emotions cloud your judgment. He has a home run problem, no one will argue that, but this is a league-wide issue. You have to consider this in that context. The ball is juiced and guys are looking for bombs every at bat.

 

Tonight, though, wasn’t even about the home run ball. His location issues could easily be attributed to a long season where injuries forced him to be used in a role for which he isn’t properly suited. If CC had any more reliable relievers to take the late innings consistently, he would have spared Hader this fate but they had nothing. You could tell they so desperately wanted Peralta to be that guy, but it wasn’t to be. Hader is not trash, he’s gassed. He was throwing only 96 tonight. He needed more help, and it never materialized.

[PinaMadness]

I would say Grisham was the Buckner moment.

C’mom. You’re talking World Series vs Wild Card game. Don’t hang this on the poor kid.

Why not? His error let the winning run score. Not saying Hader is blameless. But CC made a huge mistake going for the two inning save.

[TexasCheesehead]

Love how y’all get mad at me for being mad a Major League Baseball player ruined our year because he missed a routine grounder

[dlk9s]

Eh, I don't think people will care about Grisham's error in the long-run. The game would've been tied and they still would've had runners on base, not to mention at least another inning to score again. While anything can happen, the Brewers clearly were not a championship-caliber team this season. Losing this came most likely just meant we play three or four more games against the Dodgers before being finished with the season.

 

Sure, I'm disappointed - and nobody is more upset than Grisham and Hader - but if we're being honest, we know it didn't cost us a World Series.

[rickh150]

I think Hader was coming out if it was tied. If that hit scored 2, then Lyles was coming in...