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Screw Joe Maddon [update 10/16: Maddon hired by Angels]

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Guaranteed, if this were said by Counsell or another Manager that the Cubs needed help from, Maddon would be crying about "the integrity of the game". As Tony Dungy said "you play to win the game".

 

Just a quick note, that’s actually Herm Edwards when he was with the Jets

 

Maddon is gone, their regulars help blow the season. They may need to make some big changes, mid as well give look to young guys. I for one am just grateful this Cub dynasty has pretty much been a 1 year wonder. Miss playoffs back to back years with the roster they have...they are on their way to some turnover.

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They didn't miss the playoffs last year and won 95 or 96 games. This was really the first time they blew it. And they were in back to back NLCS and contending before that. So they won one title, but one year wonder is pretty inaccurate. They're probably not going to suck next year either. People are really jumping the gun on that
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One year wonder....jeez.

 

Meanwhile here we are celebrating the postseason two years in a row for the first time in a large percentage of fans entire lives and treat the GM like the greatest thing to ever exist.

 

If only there was a huge disparity in resources to explain why a string of playoff berths is such a huge accomplishment for one and ho hum for another.

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One year wonder....jeez.

 

Meanwhile here we are celebrating the postseason two years in a row for the first time in a large percentage of fans entire lives and treat the GM like the greatest thing to ever exist.

 

If only there was a huge disparity in resources to explain why a string of playoff berths is such a huge accomplishment for one and ho hum for another.

 

Correct answer.

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Massive payroll or not you have to be awfully good consistently to get to the NLCS three straight times. Let's remember New York hasn't won a World Series in a decade. It's hard even with a fountain or cash.

 

As Sandy Alderson(12th ranked GM of all time)said on Brian Kenny’s MLB now show 2 weeks back, I am paraphrasing > “A large market team with today’s analytics only needs a smart GM and they will win forever, unless changes are made.” Which is exactly what I’ve been saying for some time. If things stay the same, 3 4 5 7 9 years from now, it’ll be the large market superteams vs everybody else. Goliath vs Goliath yearly for the World Series, with the very rare appearance by David.

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I’ll admit one wonder comment is definitely not great description for what I was thinking in my head. They have been a really good team. We saw the building of this monster that looked like they’d be the dominant class of the National League. They were suppose to be nearly unchallenged in Central for winning division for years. 2016 with how young & talented they were, that should have not been their high point thus far. Have they been tough team & very competitive 17’-19’? Yes. Are they on the Astros (who they were most compared to with all out rebuild to 100 win champs) or the Dodgers level? No. If you are a Cubs fan you have to be disappointed & frustrated.

 

Personally Maddon while he may not always be likable to opposing fans... he is their best manager in last century (factually if you look at wins & what they have accomplished with him) and I think one of best in baseball after you think about him in Tampa as well. Now Cubs have tax issues to consider moving forward. Still have most of core for 2 more years but they are all getting more expensive. There is talks about a Bryant trade in off season. They have one of worst farm systems. Also need to find right manager to move them forward. Their off season will be interesting.

 

Overall I’m just happy they haven’t met their potential & carried over that dominance from 16.’ Been very good & have had nice run but going into 17’ we thought they were going to be very special dynasty & already looking for our window that’d open in around 2020 & on. Granted same time, going into 17’ we had no clue that our rebuild would yield results as quick as it has.

 

Let’s go Cubbies, win last 2 for Maddon!

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Massive payroll or not you have to be awfully good consistently to get to the NLCS three straight times. Let's remember New York hasn't won a World Series in a decade. It's hard even with a fountain or cash.

 

As Sandy Alderson(12th ranked GM of all time)said on Brian Kenny’s MLB now show 2 weeks back, I am paraphrasing > “A large market team with today’s analytics only needs a smart GM and they will win forever, unless changes are made.” Which is exactly what I’ve been saying for some time. If things stay the same, 3 4 5 7 9 years from now, it’ll be the large market superteams vs everybody else. Goliath vs Goliath yearly for the World Series, with the very rare appearance by David.

 

I don’t know if that’s true at all. Playoffs since 2009:

 

Milwaukee 2011, 2018, 2019

Pittsburgh. 2013, 2014, 2015

Cincy: 2010, 2012, 2013

St.Louis: 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2019

Oakland: 2012; 2013, 2014; 2018, 2019

Cleveland: 2013, 2016, 2017, 2018

Kansas City: 2014, 2015

Tampa Bay: 2010, 2011, 2013

 

Executives on a market teams play a different game than the large market counterparts: finding bargains, churning the roster, etc. But there are multiple teams from baseball’s smallest markets making the post season each year.

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MrTPlush Wisconsin Timber Rattlers

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One year wonder....jeez.

 

Meanwhile here we are celebrating the postseason two years in a row for the first time in a large percentage of fans entire lives and treat the GM like the greatest thing to ever exist.

 

If only there was a huge disparity in resources to explain why a string of playoff berths is such a huge accomplishment for one and ho hum for another.

 

Correct answer.

 

A lack of resources is not the reason we rarely make the postseason and have historically almost never done it in consecutive seasons. It helps aide that problem, but many teams have shown to be contenders way more than us and more consistently with similar finances. The main problem has been poor management.

 

We celebrate the consecutive postseason appearances and Stearns because no one in our history has ever proven to be competent at putting a successful roster on the field consistently. Of course...ownership may have aided that too for a while.

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That definitely is going to be crucial. It would be in everyone’s best interest if the cba helps to somehow maintain continued opportunities for smaller markets.

 

Yes, this next CBA, is the whole ball of wax, at least for the next 7-10 years or more. I’m not very hopeful, without Selig, to help the small markets. Only real hope is to have more revenue sharing, even the playing field much more than it is now. I know Selig has gotten a fair amount of revenue sharing already, but with revenue having exploded in the last 10 years, the gap has widened. 600 mil a year to the Yankees vs 170 mil a year to the Rays, not good. With everything equalizing analytically and brain power wise, money will be the true separator. Imo.

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Maddon was the perfect villain. He was a pretty good manager too. He will catch on somewhere if he wants it.
"This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
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This year more than anytime has shown huge payroll guarantees nothing. Most pundits were picking the Mets or Phillies to win the East after spending more money than what God has and they didn't even make the playoffs. Instead the homegrown Braves win it going away.The Cubs are on the brink of expending all of their resources and no playoffs for them either. Red Sox? The defending champions fired their GM. However, small market teams have a much smaller window of opportunity to compete for championships before they have to retool.
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