Game 4: Eagles @ Packers - Thursday, Sept 26 7:20pm

[HiAndTight]

 

I think he agrees with him?

 

 

 

 

Maybe, but I took that to suggest he didn't agree when he said they really didn't deserve to win it. I guess he may have been referring to Philly when he said they...but again, just using context from the game thread.

 

But either way....they lost. Graham needs to make that play in the endzone. They have to put the ball in the endzone when they get inside the 15. And we need Adams to come back strong and we REALLY need King to stay healthy along with Bulaga.

 

 

Now we're facing a really good all around team with quite a few guys banged up. But at least the offense got going.

[adambr2]

That final pass was a perfect illustration of why the reviewable PI was an inane rule change. It would have been defensible if PI were called on the Eagles. Why didn’t the booth initiate a review? I think the Packers have a legitimate gripe. It’s such a subjective call — who or what level of contact determines if a review is conducted? Especially on the goal line in a 7 point game?

 

The coaches and executives that comprise the Competition Committee are just so short-sighted. They’d be better off if that dummy Goodell had just owned up to the error in the Saints game immediately and canned the referee and official response for the missed call. Instead, they’ve just created mess after mess as a result of the rule change.

 

I agree. Reviewable PI is an absolute mess. If MVS didn't get the call I'm not sure who should. It was a total overreaction that has become a freak show every game where the officials discuss whether the interference was really bad or just kind of bad. I'm all about sensible replay but that needs to go.

[OldHeidelberg]

That final pass was a perfect illustration of why the reviewable PI was an inane rule change. It would have been defensible if PI were called on the Eagles. Why didn’t the booth initiate a review? I think the Packers have a legitimate gripe. It’s such a subjective call — who or what level of contact determines if a review is conducted? Especially on the goal line in a 7 point game?

 

The coaches and executives that comprise the Competition Committee are just so short-sighted. They’d be better off if that dummy Goodell had just owned up to the error in the Saints game immediately and canned the referee and official response for the missed call. Instead, they’ve just created mess after mess as a result of the rule change.

 

Yeah if they are going to make that dumb review rule at least own up to walking out there and not reversing a call like they did twice earlier. I mean LeFleur can't challenge so it's got to be done in fairness. Again, I think the NFL doesn't want the controversy and really wants to nix these PI reviews as they should next offseason.

[yourout]

Wayching it again, PI for sure. But Packers deserved to wear this one.

Yeah they really didn't deserve to win this one.

 

 

So....his opinion is wrong? You DO realize that's subjective, right?

 

Not sure what you're asking?

Simply stating they made way too many mistakes and had no ability to stop Phillies Run game so they deserve to lose.

[HiAndTight]

That final pass was a perfect illustration of why the reviewable PI was an inane rule change. It would have been defensible if PI were called on the Eagles. Why didn’t the booth initiate a review? I think the Packers have a legitimate gripe. It’s such a subjective call — who or what level of contact determines if a review is conducted? Especially on the goal line in a 7 point game?

 

The coaches and executives that comprise the Competition Committee are just so short-sighted. They’d be better off if that dummy Goodell had just owned up to the error in the Saints game immediately and canned the referee and official response for the missed call. Instead, they’ve just created mess after mess as a result of the rule change.

 

 

It's like a dozen other rule changes in the past few years. What's a catch, the roughing the passer rule, the tuck rules. Teams and coaches will get a better feel for it and figure it out.

 

Maybe they'll have to change the wording to say it has to be egregious. But Goodell just saying, "yeah, it was a bad call," and then firing good refs who blew a call would have solved absolutely nothing.

[HiAndTight]

Not sure what you're asking?

Simply stating they made way too many mistakes and had no ability to stop Phillies Run game so they deserve to lose.

 

 

Actually you weren't stating either of those things. You were much closer to saying, "nuh-uh."

 

And the EAGLES had no ability to stop our passing game...

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

HiAndTight, these two guys agree with each other. FVBrewerFan is saying that despite the PI, the Packers deserve to wear the loss. yourout is agreeing with him.

[bucks2281]

That final pass was a perfect illustration of why the reviewable PI was an inane rule change. It would have been defensible if PI were called on the Eagles. Why didn’t the booth initiate a review? I think the Packers have a legitimate gripe. It’s such a subjective call — who or what level of contact determines if a review is conducted? Especially on the goal line in a 7 point game?

 

The coaches and executives that comprise the Competition Committee are just so short-sighted. They’d be better off if that dummy Goodell had just owned up to the error in the Saints game immediately and canned the referee and official response for the missed call. Instead, they’ve just created mess after mess as a result of the rule change.

 

 

It's like a dozen other rule changes in the past few years. What's a catch, the roughing the passer rule, the tuck rules. Teams and coaches will get a better feel for it and figure it out.

 

Maybe they'll have to change the wording to say it has to be egregious. But Goodell just saying, "yeah, it was a bad call," and then firing good refs who blew a call would have solved absolutely nothing.

 

 

Disagree. Other rule changes haven’t expanded the role of replay. It’s a problem under 2 minutes - it’s a completely subjective decision whether a replay official should instruct the ref to review a potential PI call (at that point, the ref has to make another subjective on the potential penalty itself.)

 

I referenced Goodell and the officials involved because it took the commissioner 10 days to acknowledge any error. He and the league were roasted in the media during the Super Bowl leadup and it led to the Competition Committee making an emotionally-driven rule change that will be rife with unintended consequences that will impact outcomes of games.

[DHonks]

Bad loss. Why get to the 1 and take 4 throws at it, not 4 runs at it? One major reason Jimmy Graham wasn’t all that effective last year was Rodgers doesn’t put enough air on most passes. Aikman called him out on it tonight. With more air, Graham wouldn’t have dropped two in end zone in 4th quarter

 

Rodgers once again unable to get it done in the 4th quarter. My friend thought I’d feel good about him with the ball in the 4th quarter and the packers driving, but he’s 16th best among active QBs in 4th quarter comebacks. Early in his career he had lots of leads into the 4th quarter, but when down, he hasn’t been effective at coming back

[yourout]

Not sure what you're asking?

Simply stating they made way too many mistakes and had no ability to stop Phillies Run game so they deserve to lose.

 

 

Actually you weren't stating either of those things. You were much closer to saying, "nuh-uh."

 

And the EAGLES had no ability to stop our passing game...

 

Sorry. I should have been Clearer.

[HiAndTight]

That final pass was a perfect illustration of why the reviewable PI was an inane rule change. It would have been defensible if PI were called on the Eagles. Why didn’t the booth initiate a review? I think the Packers have a legitimate gripe. It’s such a subjective call — who or what level of contact determines if a review is conducted? Especially on the goal line in a 7 point game?

 

The coaches and executives that comprise the Competition Committee are just so short-sighted. They’d be better off if that dummy Goodell had just owned up to the error in the Saints game immediately and canned the referee and official response for the missed call. Instead, they’ve just created mess after mess as a result of the rule change.

 

 

It's like a dozen other rule changes in the past few years. What's a catch, the roughing the passer rule, the tuck rules. Teams and coaches will get a better feel for it and figure it out.

 

Maybe they'll have to change the wording to say it has to be egregious. But Goodell just saying, "yeah, it was a bad call," and then firing good refs who blew a call would have solved absolutely nothing.

 

 

Disagree. Other rule changes haven’t expanded the role of replay. It’s a problem under 2 minutes - it’s a completely subjective decision whether a replay official should instruct the ref to review a potential PI call (at that point, the ref has to make another subjective on the potential penalty itself.)

 

I referenced Goodell and the officials involved because it took the commissioner 10 days to acknowledge any error. He and the league were roasted in the media during the Super Bowl leadup and it led to the Competition Committee making an emotionally-driven rule change that will be rife with unintended consequences that will impact outcomes of games.

 

 

Well...the Saints are still suing. To what end, I have no idea, but they're suing. I don't think Goodell coming out and saying they blew the call a day later or a month later would have really mattered. But, they had to have some recourse for such an egregious call.

 

And I'd say that the stupid catch rule has expanded the role of replay. Remember the Calvin Johnson catch that was overturned and ruled a non-catch on what would have been a game winner, or the Dez Bryant catch they said wasn't a catch? Those changed the rules and replay drastically.

 

And of course there was the whole litany of bad roughing calls that are still changing the outcome of the game. The Bears won a game this year they shouldn't have largely on an outrageous roughing penalty.

 

But how much is it going to impact the outcome of games anymore than the bad PI calls now? It seems like they're only overturning the really egregious calls....but I don't know, it's not working out well so far. But like I was saying with the roughing penalties, the catch rules, they go back and refine it and they work on it, and hopefully it gets better.

 

 

They need to find a way to make it more consistent though. If the goal is to overturn simple PI's, then they should have over-turned the last pick. The CB got there early. But it seems as though the Refs are taking it upon themselves to interpret the rules a bit differently. To only overturn the really bad ones. Otherwise the Packers should have had a 1st down in Eagles territory earlier in the game.

[HiAndTight]

Not sure what you're asking?

Simply stating they made way too many mistakes and had no ability to stop Phillies Run game so they deserve to lose.

 

 

Actually you weren't stating either of those things. You were much closer to saying, "nuh-uh."

 

And the EAGLES had no ability to stop our passing game...

 

Sorry. I should have been Clearer.

 

 

No, it was my fault. I thought he was saying that the Packers deserved to win and you just said "no they didn't."

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The Packers have a really long way to go and there was a little bit too much excitement about 3-0. The defense has had really bad stretches in every game but Week 1, is getting totally gutted by the run and couldn't do a thing against its first really good QB. Getting bullied like that at home by a battered team on short rest is pretty bad.

 

Offense was terrible in the red zone yet again and color me unimpressed with LaFleur. Very vanilla, unimaginative scheming thus far especially when juxtaposed with Doug Pederson. Not feeling good about facing Dallas, although Rodgers seems to have a knack for getting the best of them.

 

Ugly, ugly game though. Just really sick of watching years of Packer football where QBs do whatever they want with 10 seconds to throw and RBs carry defenders at least six yards a play. That looked like a 9-7 team last night and there were a good amount of overlooked warts the first few weeks as well.

[adambr2]

Oh, and Alex Light may be the worst lineman I've seen don the green and gold the last 10 years, and that's saying something.

 

Those who dislike Bulaga are going to get a new appreciation for him if his injury is going to make Light the guy there for any extended period of time.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't think anyone dislikes Bulaga. They are sick of watching him getting treated in the tent. At some point even the most talented player in the world is just a guy who can't play.

[adambr2]

He's still started at least 12 games in every year except 2017 dating back from the lost season from the ACL injury in 2013. I don't know what more you can ask from a 10 year veteran with 2 bum knees.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

He "started" last night too. Dude is hurt all the time. It's not a judgement of his character. Maybe that is all we can expect and maybe it's time to find a permanent new RT. It probably was time three years ago.

[homer]

I saw a lot of good things on offense last night. The passing game looked great. Some better play calls (and having Adams) would help in the red zone. The run D is uber concerning. I'm not convinced they have the personnel to get better there.

[adambr2]

I saw a lot of good things on offense last night. The passing game looked great. Some better play calls (and having Adams) would help in the red zone. The run D is uber concerning. I'm not convinced they have the personnel to get better there.

 

I know nothing about the Dolphins, but time to explore the trade market? They'll trade anything with a pulse. Although their run D is even more horrific than ours, so maybe not. Jets?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm just bored with the Packers brand of football. It's honestly amazing they've managed to cross generations with the same style of passing finesse offense and the same defense. Last night that defense looked interchangeable with any of the bottom 10 defenses they've had for most of 20 years. I'm not overreacting to one game as much as I am just fatigued of watching any +QB shred them. And Flacco and Cousins had windows of doing the same, but then would make a dumb mistake and get us off the hook. I haven't really understood the love affair with Pettine to this point either. I just need to see a signature performance against a good offense because they haven't had one in what feels like an eternity.

 

I wasn't particularly jazzed by the offense myself. Kicking FGs and failing to score from the 2 on consecutive drives is not what I anticipate from a Rodgers offense and they were not playing the 2013 Seahawks either.

[stoutdude04]

To be fair, it should have been PI on that int, so they should have had s few more shots at it.