Gerrit Cole

[MrTPlush]

Yeah, I don't understand the knock-on Thames from some. He's put together a very nice season. He is a player that I don't understand the negative defensive rankings because he makes some really good plays at 1B. Either way, for the production he brings as a lefty bat, I'm guessing he gets exercised and will do just fine next season.

 

I wasn't knocking on Thames. He is going on 33 years old and his production year to year isn't exactly clear besides that. Last year he had an OPS south of .800...he doesn't exactly have a big track record of consistency.

 

He is a fine bat, but when you start striking out 30% or more of the time and then four guys behind you are terrible...that isn't exactly a great recipe for success. You would basically have a line up of Hiura/Yelich/Rendon and then hopefully decent bats in Braun/Thames. The later two are definitely risky bets to produce just as good next year. Then with Braun he could easily miss significant time leading to a different bat stepping in and being downright horrendous (though Grisham gives hope we have a decent replacement for someone if they get injured).

 

I think they could risk Pina and drop Grandal, but then they need to get a big upgrade at 3B (by keeping Moustakas) or finding a nice replacement at SS (not likely to get big offense there). Pina hasn't been bad after his horrendous start to the year.

 

I 110% expect Thames option to be picked up and I actually like Thames...just not exactly as one of our Top 5 bats, which is what he would be if we spent the entire budget on Cole or Rendon. He is a great #6-#7 hitter like he is now.

[HiAndTight]

Cool story, not happening. We cannot get even remotely close to affording Cole and that ignores the fact we need money for other problems too.

 

 

Yeah, literally zero people said they were signing Cole in this "cool story." Who are you arguing with exactly? This just seems like a belligerent response.

[tigerbrew]

Instead of getting Cole, I'd much rather use the payroll to retain Moustakas and Grandal, they have been fantastic for the Brewers.

 

Regardless, they must finally realize that they need to add pitching. Cole isn't feasible- but many of the second tier guys are. I get that we all have non-dry dreams about pitchers like Cole, but it simply won't happen for this market. Unless some one explains to Mark A about all those 100's of millions in profit he's hoarding...

 

I'd retain Lyles, Pomeranz, Gio, Moustakas and Grandal, the roster for next season:

 

Starters:

(RHP) Woodruff

(RHP) Lyles

(RHP) Davies

(RHP) Nelson

(LHP) Gio

 

Bullpen:

(LHP) Hader

(LHP) Suter

(LHP) Pomeranz

(LHP) Claudio

(RHP) Houser

(RHP) Guerra

(RHP) Peralta

(RHP) Burnes or Knebel

 

Starting Lineup:

(RF) Grisham

© Grandal

(LF) Yelich

(2B) Hiura

(1B) Braun

(3B) Moustakas

(CF) Cain

(SS) Arcia

 

Bench: Pina, Gamel, Shaw, Spangenberg

[rickh150]

Instead of getting Cole, I'd much rather use the payroll to retain Moustakas and Grandal, they have been fantastic for the Brewers.

 

Regardless, they must finally realize that they need to add pitching. Cole isn't feasible- but many of the second tier guys are. I get that we all have non-dry dreams about pitchers like Cole, but it simply won't happen for this market. Unless some one explains to Mark A about all those 100's of millions in profit he's hoarding...

 

I'd retain Lyles, Pomeranz, Gio, Moustakas and Grandal, the roster for next season:

 

Starters:

(RHP) Woodruff

(RHP) Lyles

(RHP) Davies

(RHP) Nelson

(LHP) Gio

 

Bullpen:

(LHP) Hader

(LHP) Suter

(LHP) Pomeranz

(LHP) Claudio

(RHP) Houser

(RHP) Guerra

(RHP) Peralta

(RHP) Burnes or Knebel

 

Starting Lineup:

(RF) Grisham

© Grandal

(LF) Yelich

(2B) Hiura

(1B) Braun

(3B) Moustakas

(CF) Cain

(SS) Arcia

 

Bench: Pina, Gamel, Shaw, Spangenberg

 

Retain? Interesting verb when competing with 29 other teams.... Count us fortunate to get 2 of those 5... more likely 1.

[TURBO]

With the success of Moose and Grandal, I can easily see another team jump in the bidding for both players. I can easily see us not getting either of them.

 

I would have been on board with offering them extended contracts during this season, especially since they have both been pretty important to our success this year.

 

They are both vital cogs to our success, and I fear we lose them both to free agency to a bigger spending team than Milwaukee.

 

I can also se a team like Houston, Boston, or many others willing to take a chance on Lyles in the off season, just like Houston did with Miley. Their performance is boosted by their exposure in Milwaukee, then *poof*, another team sucks them up.

 

Pomeranz is as good as gone imo. Too many teams will be looking to shore up their bullpen, and unless he wants to give us a deal, I can't see us resigning him either. He has been great for us, which in the end will hurt our chances because with every good appearance he makes for us, his price goes up.

 

That leaves Gio… I'd have him back, but only on a really good low priced one year deal. We use him for such short starts, the amount we pay him shouldn't be much.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Yeah, I don't understand the knock-on Thames from some. He's put together a very nice season. He is a player that I don't understand the negative defensive rankings because he makes some really good plays at 1B. Either way, for the production he brings as a lefty bat, I'm guessing he gets exercised and will do just fine next season.

 

He likes the vote of confidence! Here’s two homers!

[MrTPlush]

Cool story, not happening. We cannot get even remotely close to affording Cole and that ignores the fact we need money for other problems too.

 

 

Yeah, literally zero people said they were signing Cole in this "cool story." Who are you arguing with exactly? This just seems like a belligerent response.

 

You understand this thread exists because people keep bringing it up in other threads, right? People have brought it up and wanted it. Maybe not in this thread because they weren’t the ones to create it and have yet to participate in it. I was putting my response here because it is now the Cole thread instead of wherever it was getting put before. I can’t remember what thread it was popular in.

[tigerbrew]

Regardless, they must finally realize that they need to add pitching. Cole isn't feasible- but many of the second tier guys are. I get that we all have non-dry dreams about pitchers like Cole, but it simply won't happen for this market. Unless some one explains to Mark A about all those 100's of millions in profit he's hoarding...

 

I'd retain Lyles, Pomeranz, Gio, Moustakas and Grandal, the roster for next season:

 

Starters:

(RHP) Woodruff

(RHP) Lyles

(RHP) Davies

(RHP) Nelson

(LHP) Gio

 

Bullpen:

(LHP) Hader

(LHP) Suter

(LHP) Pomeranz

(LHP) Claudio

(RHP) Houser

(RHP) Guerra

(RHP) Peralta

(RHP) Burnes or Knebel

 

Starting Lineup:

(RF) Grisham

© Grandal

(LF) Yelich

(2B) Hiura

(1B) Braun

(3B) Moustakas

(CF) Cain

(SS) Arcia

 

Bench: Pina, Gamel, Shaw, Spangenberg

 

Retain? Interesting verb when competing with 29 other teams.... Count us fortunate to get 2 of those 5... more likely 1.

 

phnxcrew is right about the profits Mark A/Brewers have been collecting every year, moreover we will be shedding the salaries of Anderson, Thames, Albers, Perez, Chacin and Jeffress. I think the Brewers can well afford to re-sign those 5 guys.

[stalton]

Stearns has shown that he sets a price (either in cash or prospects) and won't go over it. Whether we can afford it or not, I can see us getting shut out due to the bidding war.

[Brew crew 92]

Stearns has shown that he sets a price (either in cash or prospects) and won't go over it. Whether we can afford it or not, I can see us getting shut out due to the bidding war.

 

The days of GM’s getting into bidding wars over players are 98% over. Maybe, with a Cole, but doubt it over the 5 players we’re talking about here.

[TURBO]

There WILL be a market for Moose and Grandal, bet on it.

 

The question is, how much did they like it here, and will they want to come back before listening to other teams offers?

 

Money talks, so we'll see if they want to be back in Milwaukee or take the money and run. (assuming Stearns wants them back, and I can't understand why he wouldn't.)

[nate82]

There WILL be a market for Moose and Grandal, bet on it.

 

The question is, how much did they like it here, and will they want to come back before listening to other teams offers?

 

Money talks, so we'll see if they want to be back in Milwaukee or take the money and run. (assuming Stearns wants them back, and I can't understand why he wouldn't.)

 

The same was said last offseason for Moose. The market for 3B is not that great for Moose. I don't see many teams that will be looking for a 3B. Maybe the Nationals if they lose Rendon. The three teams I can think of who will be looking at 3B are the Brewers, Nationals and White Sox. One will get Rendon and the others may go after Moose.

 

Say what you will but if the price goes to high the Brewers will just stick with Shaw. The Nationals may prefer Grandal over Moose and go that route. I don't see Moustakas getting more than a 2-year deal.

 

Grandal may get 5-years but I don't believe that deal is out there and he will get a 3-year deal.

[TURBO]

The same was said last year, but now we are talking about a season and a half of GOOD MOOSE! I stand by my prediction that there will be multiple teams in on both Moose and Grandal.

 

Hell, Moose might be on a team's radar for 2B. He did a lot better than most expected there this season, and how great is it to have a 2B that hits like him?

[Roderick]

 

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Say what you will but if the price goes to high the Brewers will just stick with Shaw.

 

 

I hope the Brewers don't bank on Shaw returning to being an average player even. I wouldn't even offer him arby myself, but can see the argument, especially if Thames doesn't return for whatever reason.

[tigerbrew]

 

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Say what you will but if the price goes to high the Brewers will just stick with Shaw.

 

 

I hope the Brewers don't bank on Shaw returning to being an average player even. I wouldn't even offer him arby myself, but can see the argument, especially if Thames doesn't return for whatever reason.

 

Thames has a $7.5M club option for next season, do you think the Brewers should pick up that option?

 

Next season MLB will likely have a 26 man roster, if the Brewers pick up Thames option, Thames will play a lot of 1B with Braun rotating between LF and 1B.

 

Next season's bench: Pina, Gamel, Shaw, Spangenberg and (Thames or Grisham)

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

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Say what you will but if the price goes to high the Brewers will just stick with Shaw.

 

 

I hope the Brewers don't bank on Shaw returning to being an average player even. I wouldn't even offer him arby myself, but can see the argument, especially if Thames doesn't return for whatever reason.

 

Thames has a $7.5M club option for next season, do you think the Brewers should pick up that option?

 

Next season MLB will likely have a 26 man roster, if the Brewers pick up Thames option, Thames will play a lot of 1B with Braun rotating between LF and 1B.

 

Next season's bench: Pina, Gamel, Shaw, Spangenberg and (Thames or Grisham)

 

1B is a relatively easy position to replace production at, but I think exercising that option is a no-brainer.

[Roderick]

 

I hope the Brewers don't bank on Shaw returning to being an average player even. I wouldn't even offer him arby myself, but can see the argument, especially if Thames doesn't return for whatever reason.

 

Thames has a $7.5M club option for next season, do you think the Brewers should pick up that option?

 

Next season MLB will likely have a 26 man roster, if the Brewers pick up Thames option, Thames will play a lot of 1B with Braun rotating between LF and 1B.

 

Next season's bench: Pina, Gamel, Shaw, Spangenberg and (Thames or Grisham)

 

1B is a relatively easy position to replace production at, but I think exercising that option is a no-brainer.

 

Yeah, I "assume" it is exercised. But, its a long offseason, and maybe some team will want Thames enough to pry him from Stearns. So if Thames is traded, I can then see a scenario where they pay Shaw the arby for the chance he makes a comeback. If he only improves to below average, he can be backup at 3B, 1B and PH. If Thames isn't gone, I wouldn't offer Shaw arby.

[tigerbrew]

 

I hope the Brewers don't bank on Shaw returning to being an average player even. I wouldn't even offer him arby myself, but can see the argument, especially if Thames doesn't return for whatever reason.

 

Thames has a $7.5M club option for next season, do you think the Brewers should pick up that option?

 

Next season MLB will likely have a 26 man roster, if the Brewers pick up Thames option, Thames will play a lot of 1B with Braun rotating between LF and 1B.

 

Next season's bench: Pina, Gamel, Shaw, Spangenberg and (Thames or Grisham)

 

1B is a relatively easy position to replace production at, but I think exercising that option is a no-brainer.

 

With how good Thames has performed this season, I agree that the Brewers should exercise that option. And hopefully the Brewers re-sign Grandal and Moustakas too.

 

Starting lineup like this next season would be great:

© Grandal

(LF) Yelich

(2B) Hiura

(3B) Moustakas

(LH) Braun

(1B) Thames

(CF) Cain

(SS) Arcia

[TURBO]

Not sure why you are pushing Grandal as a lead-off hitter. Yes, he gets his walks, but can be used better in the middle of the line-up imo.

[TURBO]

Bottom line, Cole is going to get paid, and more than likely a MONSTER type deal that we just can't compete with.

 

It's sad it has to be that way, but it is what it is.

[Jenkins5]

If Cole doesn’t work out as I assume it probably won’t....Brewers have long been linked to Wheeler in trades. Could see him being a target but he is probably 2nd or 3rd best on market depending on if Strasburg opts out

[3and2Fastball]

The Brewers best chance of signing Gerrit Cole is if Mark A sells the franchise to somebody else who wants to sign bigtime free agents. The chances of Mark spending Cole money are less than 1%. There is a better chance of Rickie Weeks coming out of retirement and leading the NL in Home Runs

[pacopete4]

Yes, El Cheapo will be at it again this season. I can't believe he doesn't want to fork out $200+ million to 30+ year olds.

[wallus]

Cole would be a nice get but doesn't fit our payroll limitations. Just like last offseason, I would rather throw money at the offense.

[brewtank34]

The Brewers best chance of signing Gerrit Cole is if Mark A sells the franchise to somebody else who wants to sign bigtime free agents. The chances of Mark spending Cole money are less than 1%. There is a better chance of Rickie Weeks coming out of retirement and leading the NL in Home Runs

 

 

Sooooo, you're saying there's a chance!!!!! Yes!!!