Houser: Starter or Reliever

[Brew crew 92]

I do agree with you in that I think Houser going forward is potentially a 3 in the rotation.

 

I don't agree that the way they've used him is a direct indication of what role they see him as.

 

I think failing better options, you'd have to go forward with him in the rotation, barring trades or signings for convincingly better starting options. But I don't think it's his most suitable role.

 

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

I do understand the desire to pitch Houser out of the pen, FB ticks up to 97 and his stuff becomes even more devastating. But the #3 supersedes the pen dominance, especially for the small mid-market brewers, who, as we all, already know, have to develop their own starters financially.

[pacopete4]

He’s not a number three though. At least his stat line isn’t.

[Brew crew 92]

He’s not a number three though. At least his stat line isn’t.

 

Give the guy a chance to get a little more than his feet wet. He’ll get better.

[pacopete4]

He’s not a number three though. At least his stat line isn’t.

 

Give the guy a chance to get a little more than his feet wet. He’ll get better.

 

How bout his minor league numbers? You love Freitas for his but Houser wasn’t a good starter there either.

[Brew crew 92]

He’s not a number three though. At least his stat line isn’t.

 

Give the guy a chance to get a little more than his feet wet. He’ll get better.

 

How bout his minor league numbers? You love Freitas for his but Houser wasn’t a good starter there either.

 

Go ahead and stay on your island.

[pacopete4]

 

Give the guy a chance to get a little more than his feet wet. He’ll get better.

 

How bout his minor league numbers? You love Freitas for his but Houser wasn’t a good starter there either.

 

Go ahead and stay on your island.

 

There’s no island. I’ve presented my side, while using statistical evidence, and you’ve done nothing but this and get yelled at by a mod because you haven’t learned to respond to someone without being, well, you.

[Brew crew 92]

The minor league evidence hasn’t kept him from starting for the brewers and impressing the heck out of scouts and analysts. A reminder, I’ve already mentioned this, but, HE DEVELOPED A SLIDER IN ST, that he didn’t have in the minors, so those stats are neutered. And yes you are on an island, all the rest of us see Houser a starter moving forward.

[pacopete4]

The minor league evidence hasn’t kept him from starting for the brewers and impressing the heck out of scouts and analysts. A reminder, I’ve already mentioned this, but, HE DEVELOPED A SLIDER IN ST, that he didn’t have in the minors, so those stats are neutered. And yes you are on an island, all the rest of us see Houser a starter moving forward.

 

Don’t speak for others. That’d be a great goal for you to have amongst many. And just because he’s starting now, doesn’t mean he will continue to. Having multiple pitches doesn’t mean much if you’re getting rocked. Time will tell...

[Brew crew 92]

The minor league evidence hasn’t kept him from starting for the brewers and impressing the heck out of scouts and analysts. A reminder, I’ve already mentioned this, but, HE DEVELOPED A SLIDER IN ST, that he didn’t have in the minors, so those stats are neutered. And yes you are on an island, all the rest of us see Houser a starter moving forward.

 

Don’t speak for others. That’d be a great goal for you to have amongst many. And just because he’s starting now, doesn’t mean he will continue to. Having multiple pitches doesn’t mean much if you’re getting rocked. Time will tell...

 

Wasn’t speaking for others as much as just reading the previous posters comments. But ok, forget the previous posters. Time will tell.

[Ennder]

Pitchers are goofy so there is no way at all to know what he is. The Slider has really changed his profile for sure though, he was not a viable starter before this season but now that his arsenal has more depth and a better put away pitch he may be. For 2020 I think it is very clear he should be a starter to begin the season. Doesn't mean that won't change during the season. Pitchers reinvent themselves all the time so it is hard to just put a label on guys or just assume growth isn't for real because the sample is small.

[pacopete4]

Another thing to discuss with Houser is will he figure out how to get lefties out?

 

2019: .282/.364/.482/.846

Career: .267/.361/.441/.802

 

Between this and 3rd time through stats, it just doesn't add up so far. I'm sure he will stick in the rotation for the remainder of the season but I hope they reconsider going into next year.

[Brew crew 92]

Another thing to discuss with Houser is will he figure out how to get lefties out?

 

2019: .282/.364/.482/.846

Career: .267/.361/.441/.802

 

Between this and 3rd time through stats, it just doesn't add up so far. I'm sure he will stick in the rotation for the remainder of the season but I hope they reconsider going into next year.

 

I actually would like to see Houser in the pen for the playoffs. I’m thinking a possible innings limit? I think he’s 20+ innings past his previous high right now. But also, with only needing 4-5 innings out of our starters anyhow, Woodruff Lyles and one of Davies Anderson should suffice in the DS. Houser would give us 3-4 strong out of the pen, giving us 2 pen arms(Suter)that can go more than 2.

[82brewcrew82]

Another thing to discuss with Houser is will he figure out how to get lefties out?

 

2019: .282/.364/.482/.846

Career: .267/.361/.441/.802

 

Between this and 3rd time through stats, it just doesn't add up so far. I'm sure he will stick in the rotation for the remainder of the season but I hope they reconsider going into next year.

I don't see five better options on the roster right now so he's a starter up until the point there are five better starters on the roster. I'm perfectly fine with him out of the pen if we have five starters better than he is.

[TigerUppercut]

Another thing to discuss with Houser is will he figure out how to get lefties out?

 

2019: .282/.364/.482/.846

Career: .267/.361/.441/.802

 

Between this and 3rd time through stats, it just doesn't add up so far. I'm sure he will stick in the rotation for the remainder of the season but I hope they reconsider going into next year.

I don't see five better options on the roster right now so he's a starter up until the point there are five better starters on the roster. I'm perfectly fine with him out of the pen if we have five starters better than he is.

 

Free Rasmussen!

[long ball]

Another thing to discuss with Houser is will he figure out how to get lefties out?

 

2019: .282/.364/.482/.846

Career: .267/.361/.441/.802

 

Between this and 3rd time through stats, it just doesn't add up so far. I'm sure he will stick in the rotation for the remainder of the season but I hope they reconsider going into next year.

 

I actually would like to see Houser in the pen for the playoffs. I’m thinking a possible innings limit? I think he’s 20+ innings past his previous high right now. But also, with only needing 4-5 innings out of our starters anyhow, Woodruff Lyles and one of Davies Anderson should suffice in the DS. Houser would give us 3-4 strong out of the pen, giving us 2 pen arms(Suter)that can go more than 2.

 

Ya I was giving this some thought when I was looking at how they might deploy the starters down the stretch with the off day and knowing they might need a tie breaker game on monday before a WC game on tuesday.

 

I think if they get into the NLDS it might be good to have him available for 2 games out of the pen vs 1 start.

[adambr2]

The rotation has been getting further diluted into just multiple 3-5 inning guys and I think that will probably continue further in a playoff series. I doubt you see any starter go 5 full innings in October with the possible exception of Lyles. I'd add Woodruff to that list but I'm not sure he'll be fully stretched out.

 

Lyles, Houser, Gonzales, Anderson, Davies, and Woodruff will all be in the playoff rotation (though not necessarily starting) and all expected to get 9-15 outs. Suter is probably another guy to throw into that mix but I see him as having more of a 3 inning cap.