You know, Yeli might still win the MVP

[Pugger]

Watched MLB Now the other day, Brian Kenny statistically, like the Stache, showed how far superior Yelich’s offensive season was compared to Bellinger, but, then when asked who he’d vote for, picked Bellinger. Kinda telling there isn’t it. Ya, no Hollywood bias.

 

Is it bias or does it just reveal the voters lean towards the guy on the better team? Trout will win the AL MVP even tho his team isn't great this year but his season is so far superior to anyone else in that league. Had another AL guy put up numbers like he did on a winning team that player would win it instead of Trout.

[SeaBass]

Watched MLB Now the other day, Brian Kenny statistically, like the Stache, showed how far superior Yelich’s offensive season was compared to Bellinger, but, then when asked who he’d vote for, picked Bellinger. Kinda telling there isn’t it. Ya, no Hollywood bias.

 

Is it bias or does it just reveal the voters lean towards the guy on the better team? Trout will win the AL MVP even tho his team isn't great this year but his season is so far superior to anyone else in that league. Had another AL guy put up numbers like he did on a winning team that player would win it instead of Trout.

That's the thing, Yelich may have the edge on Bellinger with his hitting stats, but they're close enough to where Bellinger, combined with his superior defense, probably wins out because he's on the better team. Add to it that Bellinger is young and clearly on the rise that adds to the excitement surrounding him. He's going to be a special player for years.

 

Now with Yelich being injured and out for the remainder of the season that's a case where voters relax their view, to them they no longer need to worry about how close Yelich is, or rather how much he can widen the gap offensively, because he's done and Bellinger isn't.

 

It's so easy to say, "Oh, well that's it then." Path of least resistance. They're going to focus on the players that are still playing and move Yelich down on their ballots a few spots. I don't even think Yelich finishes 2nd, possibly not even 3rd in the voting. The number one stat against him is he suffered an injury at the wrong time.

[TURBO]

I actually don't like to be a Negative Nellie

 

You do realize that it is super simple to not be, right?

 

 

This board is too caught up on telling people how to feel, and how to post.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I actually don't like to be a Negative Nellie

 

You do realize that it is super simple to not be, right?

 

 

This board is too caught up on telling people how to feel, and how to post.

 

Others, including a mod, said the same thing, but sure, single me out. Whatever man.

[MrTPlush]

Are people seriously ganging up on someone cause they said there is no chance Yelich will win the MVP this year? I mean he isn't...and it won't be very close. I don't think that is being a negative Nellie...I think that is just understanding how the MVP voting system works.

 

Sure he didn't really provide anything past his statement, but welcome to BrewerFan.net...that isn't very uncommon.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Are people seriously ganging up on someone cause they said there is no chance Yelich will win the MVP this year? I mean he isn't...and it won't be very close. I don't think that is being a negative Nellie...I think that is just understanding how the MVP voting system works.

 

Sure he didn't really provide anything past his statement, but welcome to BrewerFan.net...that isn't very uncommon.

 

I actually agree that there's no way Yelich is winning it this year. He stood a chance had he not gotten hurt. No chance now. In this case, it's probably more the delivery and follow-ups than the actual message.

[homer]

Are people seriously ganging up on someone cause they said there is no chance Yelich will win the MVP this year? I mean he isn't...and it won't be very close. I don't think that is being a negative Nellie...I think that is just understanding how the MVP voting system works.

 

Sure he didn't really provide anything past his statement, but welcome to BrewerFan.net...that isn't very uncommon.

 

Same poster has a history of telling everyone the Brewers aren't going to make the playoffs because of their run differential. So it's not one thing.

[BruisedCrew]

Comparing Yelich’s full season stats to last year’s kind of misses how or why he won last year.

 

At the All Star break last year, Yelich was having an excellent season but probably wouldn’t have been in the top 10, or at least not top 5, in MVP consideration. And I really don’t think it was until even late August or early September that he started getting noticed as a top contender. Before then, Baez was the sexy choice because people could bundle up his numbers in just the right way to say that not even Willie Mays has his combination of stolen bases and triples. Plus, the national media gushed over him every time he tagged out a runner trying to steal a base or made a play in the field of the type we often see Arcia make. But once Yelich started to get attention, he just kept pouring it on with clutch home runs, two cycles, etc. while leading the Brewers to an improbable division title. In one month he went from fringe contender to runaway (should have been unanimous) winner.

 

Without the September spotlight, and without numbers head and shoulders better than anyone else, I don’t see him winning. (Disclaimer, this is my opinion, not a statement of fact). I won’t be surprised if he gets a lot of second place votes, and he might even finish second. But, I really don’t care. He is undeniably the Brewers MVP, and combined with his overall demeanor on and off the field, there is nobody in the NL I would even consider trading for him, including Bellinger or Acuna (who I think will be second) or Rendon, who could also finish ahead of Yelich.

 

BTW, for what it’s worth, I am in a Yahoo Fantasy league and they rate players on their fantasy value, using some unknown formula. As of today, Yelich is number 1 and Trout is number 2. I am fortunate to have both of them on my team as a result of picking them up early in their careers and having them as keepers. Having them both out with injuries now is probably going to cost me my league title.

[pacopete4]

Are people seriously ganging up on someone cause they said there is no chance Yelich will win the MVP this year? I mean he isn't...and it won't be very close. I don't think that is being a negative Nellie...I think that is just understanding how the MVP voting system works.

 

Sure he didn't really provide anything past his statement, but welcome to BrewerFan.net...that isn't very uncommon.

 

Same poster has a history of telling everyone the Brewers aren't going to make the playoffs because of their run differential. So it's not one thing.

 

Well, to be fair, he has about as much statistical proof that we won't go to the playoffs as the original poster does of Yeli winning this award.

[TURBO]

 

Others, including a mod, said the same thing, but sure, single me out. Whatever man.

 

Not singling you out, lots of people like to tell others how to feel and post. It isn't one person, it's a collective effort at thought censorship.

[TURBO]

Are people seriously ganging up on someone cause they said there is no chance Yelich will win the MVP this year?

 

Yes, you must be positive at all times, and if you are not, you will be called out by the thought police.

 

It's ridiculous.

[homer]

 

Others, including a mod, said the same thing, but sure, single me out. Whatever man.

 

Not singling you out, lots of people like to tell others how to feel and post. It isn't one person, it's a collective effort at thought censorship.

 

In case you didn't know, we have rules on what you can post. Here they are:

 

viewtopic.php?&t=420

 

This isn't 8chan.

[homer]

Are people seriously ganging up on someone cause they said there is no chance Yelich will win the MVP this year?

 

Yes, you must be positive at all times, and if you are not, you will be called out by the thought police.

 

It's ridiculous.

 

No, as mentioned this is not a one-time thing. If you don't like how the board is moderated, send one of us a PM or post in the issue thread.

 

Back to Yelich and the MVP, please.

[nate82]

When was the last time an injured player won the MVP award?

 

Before Yelich went down with the injury Bellinger was leading in first place votes of those polled who have a vote.

 

Rendon last week was starting to get more support also. I wouldn't be surprised if Yelich loses some votes to Rendon or Acuna. I just don't see how the voters are going to ignore the injury valid or not.

[topper09er]

When was the last time an injured player won the MVP award?

 

One with an * is Bagwell in 94, he suffered a season ending injury in mid August but the strike then ended the season pretty soon after. He had 116 RBIs and 8.2 WAR in 110 games. I'm not sure on the details of Kirk Gibson in '88, he won the MVP while playing 150 games and he did play the entire NLCS, but of course just 1 WS AB

[MrTPlush]

When was the last time an injured player won the MVP award?

 

Before Yelich went down with the injury Bellinger was leading in first place votes of those polled who have a vote.

 

Rendon last week was starting to get more support also. I wouldn't be surprised if Yelich loses some votes to Rendon or Acuna. I just don't see how the voters are going to ignore the injury valid or not.

 

I remember when Stanton got smacked in the face some tried to lobby him for MVP as they felt bad for him. Clearly Yelich not getting that treatment anywhere.

 

Acuna and Rendon are going to vulture Yelich votes now. Acuna is going to have a 40/40 season and Rendon was the 3rd place guy before this. I don't know that Yelich falls to 3rd though. Rendon and Acuna are going to rob each other of enough 3rd/4th place votes for that. Unlike Yelich who should still get a few top votes and nothing lower than 3rd.

[Pugger]

Comparing Yelich’s full season stats to last year’s kind of misses how or why he won last year.

 

At the All Star break last year, Yelich was having an excellent season but probably wouldn’t have been in the top 10, or at least not top 5, in MVP consideration. And I really don’t think it was until even late August or early September that he started getting noticed as a top contender. Before then, Baez was the sexy choice because people could bundle up his numbers in just the right way to say that not even Willie Mays has his combination of stolen bases and triples. Plus, the national media gushed over him every time he tagged out a runner trying to steal a base or made a play in the field of the type we often see Arcia make. But once Yelich started to get attention, he just kept pouring it on with clutch home runs, two cycles, etc. while leading the Brewers to an improbable division title. In one month he went from fringe contender to runaway (should have been unanimous) winner.

 

Without the September spotlight, and without numbers head and shoulders better than anyone else, I don’t see him winning. (Disclaimer, this is my opinion, not a statement of fact). I won’t be surprised if he gets a lot of second place votes, and he might even finish second. But, I really don’t care. He is undeniably the Brewers MVP, and combined with his overall demeanor on and off the field, there is nobody in the NL I would even consider trading for him, including Bellinger or Acuna (who I think will be second) or Rendon, who could also finish ahead of Yelich.

 

BTW, for what it’s worth, I am in a Yahoo Fantasy league and they rate players on their fantasy value, using some unknown formula. As of today, Yelich is number 1 and Trout is number 2. I am fortunate to have both of them on my team as a result of picking them up early in their careers and having them as keepers. Having them both out with injuries now is probably going to cost me my league title.

 

GMTA

[Sal Bando]

Are people seriously ganging up on someone cause they said there is no chance Yelich will win the MVP this year? I mean he isn't...and it won't be very close. I don't think that is being a negative Nellie...I think that is just understanding how the MVP voting system works.

 

Sure he didn't really provide anything past his statement, but welcome to BrewerFan.net...that isn't very uncommon.

 

 

On baseball message boards you can't express opinions without citing lots of statistics. I knew people would be outraged. It doesn't bother me in the least though as I know the opinion is correct.

[PeaveyFury]

Are people seriously ganging up on someone cause they said there is no chance Yelich will win the MVP this year? I mean he isn't...and it won't be very close. I don't think that is being a negative Nellie...I think that is just understanding how the MVP voting system works.

 

Sure he didn't really provide anything past his statement, but welcome to BrewerFan.net...that isn't very uncommon.

 

 

On baseball message boards you can't express opinions without citing lots of statistics. I knew people would be outraged. It doesn't bother me in the least though as I know the opinion is correct.

 

Probably not an ideal mindset as you start out here.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

There are two conversations going on here. One is arguing that Yelich is the MVP, the other is the plausibility of him actually winning the award. He's not going to win. The other contender is on a power team that will win 106 games. He would have had to blow Bellinger away to win it even if he didn't get hurt.

[homer]

Ken Rosenthal at The Athletic says Yeli gets the edge for MVP. He may not win but he is going to get his share of votes.

[stoutdude04]

He should just suit up against the Pirates. Probably hit a few homers and steal a couple of bags.

[Madhawk23]

Does anyone think that all of these post-Yeli injury wins are hurting his chances even more now? Yes, we all know how valuable and ridiculously talented Yeli is for this Brewers team, but I wonder if his chances would have been higher had the team just completely tanked after he went out with the injury?

 

With that said though - I'd much rather see this team get one of these playoff spots, if it means that Yeli loses MVP votes this year.

[3and2Fastball]

I would give the MVP to Rendon, unless he falls off the table in the last 2 weeks of the season.

[MrTPlush]

Does anyone think that all of these post-Yeli injury wins are hurting his chances even more now? Yes, we all know how valuable and ridiculously talented Yeli is for this Brewers team, but I wonder if his chances would have been higher had the team just completely tanked after he went out with the injury?

 

With that said though - I'd much rather see this team get one of these playoff spots, if it means that Yeli loses MVP votes this year.

 

His chances were dead the second the ball hit his knee cap. I doubt the Brewers performance changes it much either direction. I’d argue making the postseason would actually help him more than us straight sucking.