New Contract for Yelich

[Brew crew 92]

Did you just say Woodruff is one of the top 3 pitchers in baseball?

 

Will be, yes, by the end of 2021.

 

Right now Cole DeGrom Buehler Verlander Scherzer Snell Maybe Greinke Maybe Strasburg.

 

But by the end of next year DeGrom Verlander Scherzer Greinke Strasburg will be replaced by:

 

Cole Buehler Woodruff Glasnow Snell.

 

 

And what do you foresee happening to DeGrom, Verlander, Scherzer and Strausburg in the next year? Not to mention the other dozen or so pitchers who are probably firmly ahead of Woodruff as of now.

 

How about Luis Castillo from the Reds? Ohtani, Bieber, Flaherty...and about a dozen or so other guys.

 

And there is just absolutely no reason to think Scherzer and the rest of the best in the game right now will just fall off a cliff suddenly. Verlander is still throwing as hard as he has his entire career.

 

 

Also...what makes you think Woodruff is going to start throwing OVER 100 MPH or that it'd even be a good thing if he did?

 

I mean....just thinking he's going to be an ace is reasonable. But you always take it an extra step or 5 too far. Woodruff should be a legitimate ace next year based on how he pitched this year, his stuff and another year of experience. But Burnes should have been at least a #3/4 this year in his first full year or starting. Optimism is great, but you set yourself up for the type of...disdain you felt for Stearns at the deadline when you set your expectations so absurdly high and then you blame it on others for the Brewers failing to meet the standards you've set.

 

We’ll just have to disagree on this one. He touched 100 a few times this year, so it’s only 1 tick higher, not throw a 101, touch it > 96-101. Same velo as Cole, who by the way, is what Woodruff will look like soon, just without the big breaking ball, but a better change up. Just a little better command and he’s in the top 3.

[HiAndTight]

Where are the 8 year deals?

 

Where is the pitcher comparable to Gerritt Cole on any recent open market? Age and production? I can find two now...Scherzer and Price. Both got 7 year deals. Even then both were a year older than Cole, which is a big deal.

 

And still, no 7+ year deals.

 

Umm, you can underline that plus sign all day long if you would like...I think it helps detract from the fact I never said he was getting 8 years even though you want to make it seem like I did.

 

David Price signed for 7 years after finishing in the top 2 in Cy Young votings 3 times

 

I forgot about him, thanks for another solid example.

 

 

Also you missed something reading my first post "And likely costs us 7+ years in FA.". So yah, totally said with 100% absolute certainty Cole was going to get 7+ years. But nitpick away if you would like.

 

I don't see the point in citing examples of guys who don't hold a candle stick to what Cole has done recently or ignoring his age as to why he won't get 7+ years. If guys notably worse and older are getting 5-6 years Cole should be able to find 7 years easily. He is the cream of the crop this year and the fact players like him have rarely hit the open market should be highly beneficial. The market has suppressed older aging free agents...not sub 30 guys like Cole (and not as elite). I also have zero idea what Harper/Machado projecting to get 2 years before free agency has anything to do with this conversation. A) This is a month of baseball before FA and B) Harper/Machado both had a huge change of course in those two years to give a strong reason why they didn't get that much. Harper specifically went from soon to be best in baseball to above average and struggling.

 

I mean you don't have to agree with me, but don't start twisting my words and leaving things out to make it seem like my argument was something way different.

 

 

Nobody's "twisting," your words at all. I'm taking exactly what you said. You said signing Starting pitching costs 7+ years. Just looking for these pitchers who've signed 8 years deals as that's what 7+ would be. It's 7 years. And then plus that. Which I just assumed meant 8 years. I fail to see how that's twisting your words?

 

And if you don't see how for the last several years players on the open market getting less than they were projected to get has anything to do with this conversation, then I don't know what's relevant other than whatever it is that you absolutely guarantee will happen and fully agree with. And what was the "huge change of course," that Machado had before hitting Free Agency? Putting up his best offensive season last year while playing SS? Kinda seems like he just showed he was capable at SS and an elite 3rd basemen.

 

 

If ANYONE is twisting anyone's words here, it's absolutely you. You're taking big parts of what I said and leaving it out in order to suit your argument.

 

 

This is what I said, it was not in response to your first statement, but your absolute guarantee that Scherzer is the floor of what Cole gets.

 

And yet you can still make the statement with ABSOLUTE certainty that Cole will definitely get more than Scherzer did? Or in this worse possible case scenario, get exactly what he got? Are you including how much of his deal got deferred then

 

THAT is where I said you made the absolute guarantee...and you did. Now again, you didn't clarify. Are you accounting for Scherzer's deferred money or not? Because if you account for the deferred money, then I would say it's probably close to a lock he matches Scherzer and that's going to bring a whole lot more teams into it. If they can pay him between 15-22 for the first half of the deal.

[PeaveyFury]

So, Yelich. Please move the Cole discussion to someplace more appropriate. Like the thread specifically about Cole.

 

Thanks

[clancyphile]

I think it would not hurt the Brewers to talk some sort of team-friendly extension this offseason - Yeli may go for the deal, given how this season ended for him. If they can pull off a six-year, $150 million deal... that would be quite a coup.

[wntrtxn21]

I think it would not hurt the Brewers to talk some sort of team-friendly extension this offseason - Yeli may go for the deal, given how this season ended for him. If they can pull off a six-year, $150 million deal... that would be quite a coup.

 

Adding another $12.5 to the payroll just doesn't fly unless MA is going to totally blow up the payroll. Grandal and Mouse are high priorites along with Lyles and Pomeranz who are much needed re-signs. Plus the arby guys are all going to make more. I don't think Stearns can make the move on Yelich w/o sacrificing the other positions that need improving in order for the Brewers to be serious contenders next year.

[adambr2]

I think it would not hurt the Brewers to talk some sort of team-friendly extension this offseason - Yeli may go for the deal, given how this season ended for him. If they can pull off a six-year, $150 million deal... that would be quite a coup.

 

Adding another $12.5 to the payroll just doesn't fly unless MA is going to totally blow up the payroll. Grandal and Mouse are high priorites along with Lyles and Pomeranz who are much needed re-signs. Plus the arby guys are all going to make more. I don't think Stearns can make the move on Yelich w/o sacrificing the other positions that need improving in order for the Brewers to be serious contenders next year.

 

I mean Yelich still has 3 years on his current contract. So I assume he's talking an early 6/150 extension a few years out from the end of this one like Braun did. Wouldn't effect anything in the near future.