2019-09-12: Brewers (Gonzalez) at Marlins (Smith) [Brewers win, 3-2 -- 7 straight wins]

[lukevan]

I’m talking “it’s over” proclamations. Plenty of them were seen here. We all had plenty of doubts and rightfully so. But those that literally said “it’s over” or “it’s done” should re examine their judgment (and maybe post frequency). Clearly it wasn’t over. And you couldn’t have known for certain that it was, and that’s what all the other posters here were telling you.

[adambr2]

I’m talking “it’s over” proclamations. Plenty of them were seen here. We all had plenty of doubts and rightfully so. But those that literally said “it’s over” or “it’s done” should re examine their judgment (and maybe post frequency). Clearly it wasn’t over. And you couldn’t have known for certain that it was, and that’s what all the other posters here were telling you.

 

Ok, so said posters were wrong. They stated an opinion that their playoff chances were over, and turned out being wrong. What on earth is the big damn deal? People are wrong about stuff here all the time.

 

Does it make everyone feel good to go back and rub it in people's faces that they were wrong about that? Because they were wrong, they should not post as often anymore? Really?

[mtrebs]

If the Brewers were to get swept by the Cardinals this weekend, I’m thinking at that point I’ll be rooting for the Cardinals to whoop up on the Cubs and run away with the division. I think that will be our best chance at the wild card in that scenario.

 

That being said, hopefully the Brewers can pull off a series win and we try to make a push for the division.

[adambr2]

If the Brewers were to get swept by the Cardinals this weekend, I’m thinking at that point I’ll be rooting for the Cardinals to whoop up on the Cubs and run away with the division. I think that will be our best chance at the wild card in that scenario.

 

That being said, hopefully the Brewers can pull off a series win and we try to make a push for the division.

 

Well yeah, if we get swept we're 7 out of the division with 13 to play. That's not going to be overcome, so certainly rooting for the Cardinals to beat on the Cubs at that point.

 

Going to be a tough series, but 2 out of 3 would be great. We do have both Houser and Lyles going this series so we have that going for us. Fortunately the Cardinals aren't throwing any lefty starters at us, but Flaherty will be very tough.

[FVBrewerFan]

I’m talking “it’s over” proclamations. Plenty of them were seen here. We all had plenty of doubts and rightfully so. But those that literally said “it’s over” or “it’s done” should re examine their judgment (and maybe post frequency). Clearly it wasn’t over. And you couldn’t have known for certain that it was, and that’s what all the other posters here were telling you.

 

Ok, so said posters were wrong. They stated an opinion that their playoff chances were over, and turned out being wrong. What on earth is the big damn deal? People are wrong about stuff here all the time.

 

Does it make everyone feel good to go back and rub it in people's faces that they were wrong about that? Because they were wrong, they should not post as often anymore? Really?

 

Yes, it makes me feel good. True, we've all been wrong at times with our opinions. Difference is, some declared this as fact. Brewers are done, close the book. Dang right it feels good that those people have been proven wrong.

 

Granted, some of that ties in with the same negative comments ad nauseam in the IGTs and elsewhere. CC is stupid, team is horrible, yada yada. Are they any less of a fan? Who knows, I don't know them. I guess I have always had a problem with fans who can't wait for something to go wrong so they can say it sucks to be a Brewers fan.

[Bulldogboy]

I for one am happy the crew is very much alive and I was of the opinion they were done a few weeks ago. That being said we have swept the Marlins who are not a good baseball team. This weekend is where we find out what they are made of. They have had sand kicked in their faces of late by the Cards and this can't happen this weekend. It's going to be tough but can be done. Win game one take getting swept off the table relax and try to win the series. If they do they have a great shot to make it happen.

[adambr2]

I’m talking “it’s over” proclamations. Plenty of them were seen here. We all had plenty of doubts and rightfully so. But those that literally said “it’s over” or “it’s done” should re examine their judgment (and maybe post frequency). Clearly it wasn’t over. And you couldn’t have known for certain that it was, and that’s what all the other posters here were telling you.

 

Ok, so said posters were wrong. They stated an opinion that their playoff chances were over, and turned out being wrong. What on earth is the big damn deal? People are wrong about stuff here all the time.

 

Does it make everyone feel good to go back and rub it in people's faces that they were wrong about that? Because they were wrong, they should not post as often anymore? Really?

 

Yes, it makes me feel good. True, we've all been wrong at times with our opinions. Difference is, some declared this as fact. Brewers are done, close the book. Dang right it feels good that those people have been proven wrong.

 

Granted, some of that ties in with the same negative comments ad nauseam in the IGTs and elsewhere. CC is stupid, team is horrible, yada yada. Are they any less of a fan? Who knows, I don't know them. I guess I have always had a problem with fans who can't wait for something to go wrong so they can say it sucks to be a Brewers fan.

 

Cool, I'm glad that it enriches your life so much I guess. I'm glad people have been proven wrong on that too, but I'm glad about it because it means my favorite team is winning, I'm not glad just because it makes me feel good that people were wrong. I'm glad Braun hit a homerun today because it helped the team win, I don't look at it as an opportunity to point and laugh at you for starting a "When to DFA Braun?" thread last year.

 

The other part about what you said is another I don't get. "Difference is, some declared this as fact." Who? When? I hear this all the time, and I'll never understand why people get all bent out of shape when a statement isn't accompanied by "JMO" or "IMO". When someone says, "We're not making the playoffs," that is their opinion. I don't think most of those people would have you believe that they think it is an actual fact that the Brewers will not make the playoffs. It is what they believed at that moment in time, ergo, an opinion. Unless someone specifically says "fact" I do not just assume they are stating their opinion as facts, it is just their belief.

 

I use "IMO" and "in my opinion" in my posts much more often these days because I know if I don't someone is going to jump on it for stating it as a fact when that's not the intention at all. Unless I'm attempting to infer something that can actually be proven, like a statistic, I am not implying that what I am about to say is factual.

[Oxy]

Unless someone specifically says "fact" I do not just assume they are stating their opinion as facts, it is just their belief.

 

I use "IMO" and "in my opinion" in my posts much more often these days because I know if I don't someone is going to jump on it for stating it as a fact when that's not the intention at all. Unless I'm attempting to infer something that can actually be proven, like a statistic, I am not implying that what I am about to say is factual.

 

I've seen those exact words at least a dozen times. Granted I took them as blue comments because they were so obviously opinions, but they often seem to be said in a troll-ish way to get people to react the the way they do. Sometimes that person is me, but those are the joys of the internet... Facts.

[adambr2]

Unless someone specifically says "fact" I do not just assume they are stating their opinion as facts, it is just their belief.

 

I use "IMO" and "in my opinion" in my posts much more often these days because I know if I don't someone is going to jump on it for stating it as a fact when that's not the intention at all. Unless I'm attempting to infer something that can actually be proven, like a statistic, I am not implying that what I am about to say is factual.

 

I've seen those exact words at least a dozen times. Granted I took them as blue comments because they were so obviously opinions, but they often seem to be said in a troll-ish way to get people to react the the way they do. Sometimes that person is me, but those are the joys of the internet... Facts.

 

Yes, I realize it has happened, but 99% of the time opinions are stated it does not. And yes, posting "facts" on a future prediction which cannot be proven or disproven until a future point in time and is obviously an opinion is an eye rolling thing to do no matter who it is.

[Brew crew 92]

Unless someone specifically says "fact" I do not just assume they are stating their opinion as facts, it is just their belief.

 

I use "IMO" and "in my opinion" in my posts much more often these days because I know if I don't someone is going to jump on it for stating it as a fact when that's not the intention at all. Unless I'm attempting to infer something that can actually be proven, like a statistic, I am not implying that what I am about to say is factual.

 

I've seen those exact words at least a dozen times. Granted I took them as blue comments because they were so obviously opinions, but they often seem to be said in a troll-ish way to get people to react the the way they do. Sometimes that person is me, but those are the joys of the internet... Facts.

 

Yes, I realize it has happened, but 99% of the time opinions are stated it does not. And yes, posting "facts" on a future prediction which cannot be proven or disproven until a future point in time and is obviously an opinion is an eye rolling thing to do no matter who it is.

 

It’s so blatantly obvious it’s all opinion, that to think it not, is a dumb dumb, or troll. I vote no more > “IMO”!

[BruisedCrew]

I’ve never understood why some people get so bent out of shape about how others express their opinions or frustration about what’s going on with the Brewers or any team. As long as someone isn’t harping on the same thing multiple times a day, those comments are easy enough to ignore. It also should be obvious that a lot of things posted out of frustration should not be taken so literally or so seriously. I know that when I say, “the Brewers aren’t making the playoffs this year” it’s a shorter way of saying “the way the Brewers are playing they aren’t making the playoffs unless they turn something around dramatically and a lot of other things go their way.”

 

I’m not apologizing for expressing my opinion more than once that the Brewers weren’t playing like a playoff team and weren’t likely to make the playoffs. That was based on my expectation that it would take 90 wins to get even the second wild card spot, and that the Brewers seemed unlikely to get there.

 

I couldn’t care less if some people get pleasure out of telling other people “ha ha, you were wrong” especially because most, if not all, of those people have been wrong about plenty of things themselves, whether it be about how the Brewers or other teams would perform, or about the manager, the general manager or specific players.

[bigredrobbo]

Let's be clear here. I don't for a second think I'm a "better" fan than anyone else because I refuse to be defeatist until math says so. It's a comment on the same posters who manage to suck whatever joy there is about the team by proclaiming "game over, man", often as early as June, fer cripes sake! Heck, there's a "Eulogy for the Season" thread, even. My point with the post was that, however much some deny it, there ARE posters who take pleasure in being "right" about being Chicken Little, and seem to delight in the Crew falling over. I dunno, that seems like a cop-out, but you do you, I guess.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Let's be clear here. I don't for a second think I'm a "better" fan than anyone else because I refuse to be defeatist until math says so. It's a comment on the same posters who manage to suck whatever joy there is about the team by proclaiming "game over, man", often as early as June, fer cripes sake! Heck, there's a "Eulogy for the Season" thread, even. My point with the post was that, however much some deny it, there ARE posters who take pleasure in being "right" about being Chicken Little, and seem to delight in the Crew falling over. I dunno, that seems like a cop-out, but you do you, I guess.

 

Agreed. I totally understand that there are all kinds of different ways to be a fan, and that we are constantly going to disagree with each other, while in the end wanting the same common goal. I guess I just have a difficult time understanding the constant defeatist attitude. I work with a guy who watches every Brewer game religiously, but truly believes that the team is one of the worst in the league and has absolutely no shot of doing anything this season. It has gotten to the point where it's difficult to have a Brewer-themed conversation with him, because he sucks all the hope out of being a fan. I mean, we are all guilty of getting down on the team from time to time. Hell, I accused the offense of quitting on the season last month. It was temporary, and I quickly regretted feeling this way and stating it in a public forum, but I still did it. I quickly jumped on the bandwagon again, and have been factoring equations every day to determine what the team would have to do to make the postseason.

 

I guess that's why it bothers me so much ... because I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that anyone gets any joy out of this manner of fandom. Most of them wrote off this team weeks ago, if not months ago … and they are writing them off again following Yelich's injury. I mean, either cheer for them or don’t, but don’t keep repeating to me that the season is over. For me, they are alive until the math doesn’t work, and despite everything working against them, the math keeps getting better.

[adambr2]

Let's be clear here. I don't for a second think I'm a "better" fan than anyone else because I refuse to be defeatist until math says so. It's a comment on the same posters who manage to suck whatever joy there is about the team by proclaiming "game over, man", often as early as June, fer cripes sake! Heck, there's a "Eulogy for the Season" thread, even. My point with the post was that, however much some deny it, there ARE posters who take pleasure in being "right" about being Chicken Little, and seem to delight in the Crew falling over. I dunno, that seems like a cop-out, but you do you, I guess.

 

Agreed. I totally understand that there are all kinds of different ways to be a fan, and that we are constantly going to disagree with each other, while in the end wanting the same common goal. I guess I just have a difficult time understanding the constant defeatist attitude. I work with a guy who watches every Brewer game religiously, but truly believes that the team is one of the worst in the league and has absolutely no shot of doing anything this season. It has gotten to the point where it's difficult to have a Brewer-themed conversation with him, because he sucks all the hope out of being a fan. I mean, we are all guilty of getting down on the team from time to time. Hell, I accused the offense of quitting on the season last month. It was temporary, and I quickly regretted feeling this way and stating it in a public forum, but I still did it. I quickly jumped on the bandwagon again, and have been factoring equations every day to determine what the team would have to do to make the postseason.

 

I guess that's why it bothers me so much ... because I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that anyone gets any joy out of this manner of fandom. Most of them wrote off this team weeks ago, if not months ago … and they are writing them off again following Yelich's injury. I mean, either cheer for them or don’t, but don’t keep repeating to me that the season is over. For me, they are alive until the math doesn’t work, and despite everything working against them, the math keeps getting better.

 

As someone who often lets negative game events get to him more than he should, I think you both make fair points. I hope it can be understood that the game threads are real time, spur of the moment reactions and as such often come from either a place of frustration or elation. As such, it's likely that someone who says "We're done" in June doesn't really believe that in a moment of logic but it can be hard to look at the bigger picture in that moment, especially when the moment falls in the midst of a big losing streak. However, there's certainly a difference between that and just letting things devolve into a cesspool of badmouthing the team. At the end of the day, sports are there for our entertainment and enjoyment. If you're not enjoying it, what's the point?

 

Momentum spurs a lot of emotion in this game, both positively and negatively. Right now we've won 7 straight and it feels like we'll keep rolling right into the playoffs. In late July and early August when we lost 6 of 7 it genuinely felt like we weren't very good and were headed in a direction of finishing under .500. As the saying goes, you're never as good as you think you are when things are going right, and never as bad as you are when things are going wrong.