2019 NFL miscellaneous news

[young guns]

I dont know if you guys know this but this Patriots team is the best ever. It doesnt matter of they haven't played anyone yet, because even if there was a halfway decent team or one of the greatest teams of all time then the Pat's would just scheme to beat those teams. Also this defense is just keeps doing "it" making interceptions on passes that I could pick off.

[nodakfan17]

The Patriots trade for Mohamed Sanu because of course.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

The Patriots trade for Mohamed Sanu because of course.

 

A 2nd rounder? For Mohamed Sanu? If that's the price of doing business to acquire a middling receiver, then nope! Maybe I'm way off base, but I've always seen Sanu as a rich man's Geronimo Allison.

[nodakfan17]

Yeah, too steep.

 

But hey, they practically have a bye to the AFC Championship Game. They know their window is closing. If you’re them, why not?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Yeah, too steep.

 

But hey, they practically have a bye to the AFC Championship Game. They know their window is closing. If you’re them, why not?

 

Yeah, that's a move the Patriots can make, because they will just go out and acquire another Josh Gordon at some point. Because they're the Patriots. The Packers don't have the luxury.

[MrTPlush]

I think people a sadly mistaken if they think the Patriots window will close when Belichick/Brady retire. I think people underrate how good the system is, how good the team is outside of them, and how much of a system QB Brady really is.

 

We will see, but I don't think they are destined for a rebuild when that happens. That greatly depends on who the QB is though.

[HiAndTight]

 

I personally think it's a dumb move because the Rams gave up a king's ransom for a player that is very good, but in my opinion is only going to improve them incrementally. So far the Rams look pretty drastically inferior to the team they put on the field last year. They have major offensive line issues, and aren't going to go anywhere until those are shored up. Over the last few years, the Rams have tried to build by throwing money at "name" guys, then their fanbase acts surprised and incredulous when those guys end up hurt and miss multiple games every year. They are building the same way that the Redskins of the early 2000s tried, when they brought in over-the-hill former stars like Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders, and it blew up in their face.

 

And they were in the Super Bowl last year. So it worked.

 

And they're not signing guys who are at the end of their careers. I don't see how they're like the Redskins with Deion and Bruce Smith at all. They're signing guys in their prime.

 

I can't think of an old player they've given up a lot for. And they have almost the same offense back as they did last year. They have a couple new guys on the inside of that line, but they just traded for a center. The offensive issues are exaggerated though. Teams ebb and flow in the NFL. This isn't new information to you I'm sure. But what they don't have a chance to do very often is trade for a future HOF type talent who's still just 24. Then maybe once they get Johnson and a couple other guys back, they can put a dominant defense out there and they won't need an offense to put up 45 a game.

[pacopete4]

Yeah, too steep.

 

But hey, they practically have a bye to the AFC Championship Game. They know their window is closing. If you’re them, why not?

 

Yeah, that's a move the Patriots can make, because they will just go out and acquire another Josh Gordon at some point. Because they're the Patriots. The Packers don't have the luxury.

 

Why don't the Packers have that luxury? Teams choose not to use all of their resources but the Patriots do their thing and continue to make it work. Wish our GM would do much of the same. Target more players that would fit what we are doing. Stop being afraid to make a mistake with trading a draft pick. The draft is mostly a miss, to begin with.

[HiAndTight]

I'd say it's stupid. These kinds of things almost never end up working out. I want Khalil Mack for two first round picks. However, Jalen Ramsey doesn't really fit geezer versions of Deion Sanders. He's a great player, but I don't think he's even the clear-cut best corner in the game or a generational talent like Mack.

 

I think before this trade happened, if you made a thread postulating what it would take to get Ramsey you would get a lot of people saying a 2nd and a 5th or something. They paid a massive price for a .500 team headed to salary cap hell. If anything it smacked of desperation to me and very short-sighted.

 

 

 

Ok, guessing would others would have guessed Ramsey might be traded for if we would have guessed before the trade...that seems unnecessarily complicated. But I don't agree. I think everyone would have predicted it'd take at least a 1st+ other picks. If the Steelers are gonna give up a 1st for Minkah Fitzpatrick, you would then turn around and say, "yeah, then a 2nd and a 5th makes total sense for Ramsey?" I don't see how that jives unless people just haven't really watched him play much because he's playing in Jacksonville.

 

I think there's a bit too much made though of how bad the Rams are. They're 4-3. They've lost to the Seahawks by a point, the 49'ers in a close game. They were the only team to beat the Saints. They're fine.

 

They have a couple young guys on the inside of their OL. They tried to address that, but there weren't any All Pro linemen available for trade, though they did trade for a center. There was however a All Pro Corner who's still just entering his prime.

 

But...I really don't care about the Rams or Ramsey beyond the fact that one of the best teams in the NFC just got one of the best players in the NFL.

[HiAndTight]

I think people a sadly mistaken if they think the Patriots window will close when Belichick/Brady retire. I think people underrate how good the system is, how good the team is outside of them, and how much of a system QB Brady really is.

 

We will see, but I don't think they are destined for a rebuild when that happens. That greatly depends on who the QB is though.

 

 

What system? Belichick IS the system. He's the GM, he's the coach. He's the organization. Who has left that front office and done anything? Scott Pioli was the big guy. Isn't he back in New England now?

[MrTPlush]

I think people a sadly mistaken if they think the Patriots window will close when Belichick/Brady retire. I think people underrate how good the system is, how good the team is outside of them, and how much of a system QB Brady really is.

 

We will see, but I don't think they are destined for a rebuild when that happens. That greatly depends on who the QB is though.

 

 

What system? Belichick IS the system. He's the GM, he's the coach. He's the organization. Who has left that front office and done anything? Scott Pioli was the big guy. Isn't he back in New England now?

 

And a good majority of those guys have been sitting under him for years. McDaniels has been sitting under him almost the entire time. It isn't crazy to think they can be a good organization after them. Especially when they could probably pay Belichick to be some coach potato advisor for them even after he retires.

 

Belichick is brilliant and Brady is really good, but it takes a lot more than that to win every Super Bowl.

[HiAndTight]

Yeah, too steep.

 

But hey, they practically have a bye to the AFC Championship Game. They know their window is closing. If you’re them, why not?

 

Yeah, that's a move the Patriots can make, because they will just go out and acquire another Josh Gordon at some point. Because they're the Patriots. The Packers don't have the luxury.

 

 

The Packers can make the same moves at the Pats. Most of these moves that the Pats make, everyone freaks out about them and then they end up being busts.

 

I dont know if you guys know this but this Patriots team is the best ever.

 

 

Is this serious? Are you just sharing your opinion and presenting it as fact?

 

They're a good team, but how exactly are you determining that this I their best? They've probably played 6 teams that will end up drafting in the top 10 including probably the 4 worst teams in the NFL. Their opponents record laughable.

 

They've beaten the Bills. That's the good team they've beat. They've got a really good defense and a marginal offense.

 

 

This seems like a Skip Bayless comment. There's absolutely no way to compare this team to any of the other teams they've played. Not when the 2nd best team they've played is the New York Giants.

[HiAndTight]

I think people a sadly mistaken if they think the Patriots window will close when Belichick/Brady retire. I think people underrate how good the system is, how good the team is outside of them, and how much of a system QB Brady really is.

 

We will see, but I don't think they are destined for a rebuild when that happens. That greatly depends on who the QB is though.

 

 

What system? Belichick IS the system. He's the GM, he's the coach. He's the organization. Who has left that front office and done anything? Scott Pioli was the big guy. Isn't he back in New England now?

 

And a good majority of those guys have been sitting under him for years. McDaniels has been sitting under him almost the entire time. It isn't crazy to think they can be a good organization after them. Especially when they could probably pay Belichick to be some coach potato advisor for them even after he retires.

 

Belichick is brilliant and Brady is really good, but it takes a lot more than that to win every Super Bowl.

 

 

Most of them have left and come back. McDaniels was the guy who thought Tebow was a franchise QB. So he also left and failed and went back.

 

And I really don't think it does take more than that to win a Super Bowl. The guy who is literally making all the decisions off the field and the HOF QB who's making the decisions on the field? No, I think that's pretty much all it takes. And they've proven that because they've won when those other guys left to try to win somewhere else.

 

 

But you also slipped that other line in there. "It isn't crazy to think they can be a good organization after them." Nobody said it was "crazy" to think that. I'm just pointing out what I think most people know. If you're going to detract from Brady and say he's a system QB, well, the "system" is Belicheck's and none of the guys under him have been able to do it like he has.

 

IN fact they've famously failed to have success elsewhere. Romeo, Weiss, Mangini, Pioli, McDaniels….who's succeeded outside of New England from his coaching tree? When you go to 8 and win 6 titles and you don't have one coach who's come from that coaching tree to have significant success, I think it's pretty fair then to say it's about Belichick. He's the guy that makes it run.

 

He's also the guy who was hell bent against giving up his backup QB in a trade with the 49'ers but the owner forced his hand. That QB is now what...27-1 as a starter?

 

So yeah, they could be good when Belichick leaves...but it's not going to be because they've got this system in place. The system is whatever the angry hooded genius cooks up. That's pretty much the extent of it.

[tmwiese55]

Pretty much agree with HT here. Yea it's possible that Belichick is grooming McDaniels so well that he can take it over and keep it humming. But no way would I be banking on that considering every coach that's left him has flopped. If Brady retires this year (or had a few years ago) and BB stays, yea I think he can keep it going without Brady. Seems he'd have been able to do it with Cassell, Garapolo, and even Brissett. Take away Bill though and who knows what happens.

[MrTPlush]

Should it really be reflective of Belichick when his coaches leave to go coach dumpster fire franchises? I think there is a big difference in taking over the Patriots and going to coach the Redskins/Doplphins/etc.

 

If, for instance, Brady retired and a coach got Garoppolo to be the QB I think that team could be pretty relevant. Is that team going to be consistently good for a decade? Prooooobably not. Of course they lost their next man up because Brady started defying age, but maybe Stidham is that guy. Who knows. I just don't see that team calling it a day when Brady retires, I think they are aiming for sustainability after that.

[tmwiese55]

It's just impossible for me to forget that BB is the best defensive coach in the history of football. Losing him running the D will be a massive loss no matter what. There's just no way to replace that mind.

[nate82]

Sanders and a 5th to the 49ers for a 3rd and 4th.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Sanders and a 5th to the 49ers for a 3rd and 4th.

 

49ers WR room is a train wreck. Good get for them.

[pacopete4]

Good move for the 49ers. Will help them offensively. If they get that on track, they'll be tough to beat with that defense they have.

[young guns]

I dont know if you guys know this but this Patriots team is the best ever.

 

 

Is this serious? Are you just sharing your opinion and presenting it as fact?

 

They're a good team, but how exactly are you determining that this I their best? They've probably played 6 teams that will end up drafting in the top 10 including probably the 4 worst teams in the NFL. Their opponents record laughable.

 

They've beaten the Bills. That's the good team they've beat. They've got a really good defense and a marginal offense.

 

 

This seems like a Skip Bayless comment. There's absolutely no way to compare this team to any of the other teams they've played. Not when the 2nd best team they've played is the New York Giants.

I'm guessing this is about my comment. I thought I played the sarcasm on pretty thick there, but I'll try better next time. I was just commenting on the constant love letters McFarland was writing to the patriots during the game last night. It was pretty nauseating.

[HiAndTight]

Should it really be reflective of Belichick when his coaches leave to go coach dumpster fire franchises? I think there is a big difference in taking over the Patriots and going to coach the Redskins/Doplphins/etc.

 

If, for instance, Brady retired and a coach got Garoppolo to be the QB I think that team could be pretty relevant. Is that team going to be consistently good for a decade? Prooooobably not. Of course they lost their next man up because Brady started defying age, but maybe Stidham is that guy. Who knows. I just don't see that team calling it a day when Brady retires, I think they are aiming for sustainability after that.

 

 

The Denver Broncos were not a "dumpster fire" franchise. They were a well run franchise who was in the Super Bowl not long after him and he's considered the best coach to come from that organization. I mean, hell, they've been given a chance everywhere. Is Kansas City a "dumpster fire" organization? They seem to be pretty well run. The Texans were a team loaded with talent and Bill O'Brien is doing some incredibly stupid things. They traded two firsts for a solid but not great LT and they traded away one of the top edge defenders in the NFL for a 3rd round pick, a 3rd round pick they just traded for a average Corner in Garrett Conley.

 

Is Notre Dame a dumpster fire CFB program? That's just a ridiculous statement blaming the multitude of coaching failures on the franchises. If your argument is they have these great coaches who've been learning under BB, then why don't any of them translate that success when they leave? Why can't any of them turn around those moribund franchises while others come in after them and get them to the next level?

 

And you're saying two totally different things. Nobody said they'd "call it a day" after Belichick and Brady are gone, we're saying those two(and I'd argue it's really Belichick) who's responsible.

 

Yeah, they'll keep trying to win after they lose the greatest coach and most accomplished QB ever, but I guess I don't really get your argument.

 

But to go back to your first question, YES, it absolutely should be reflective of Belichick when his top and most respected coordinators and personnel people go elsewhere and all fail miserably. It should show you just how great he is and how unlikely it is that they're even able to approximate that level of consistency after he's done.

[HiAndTight]

I dont know if you guys know this but this Patriots team is the best ever.

 

 

Is this serious? Are you just sharing your opinion and presenting it as fact?

 

They're a good team, but how exactly are you determining that this I their best? They've probably played 6 teams that will end up drafting in the top 10 including probably the 4 worst teams in the NFL. Their opponents record laughable.

 

They've beaten the Bills. That's the good team they've beat. They've got a really good defense and a marginal offense.

 

 

This seems like a Skip Bayless comment. There's absolutely no way to compare this team to any of the other teams they've played. Not when the 2nd best team they've played is the New York Giants.

I'm guessing this is about my comment. I thought I played the sarcasm on pretty thick there, but I'll try better next time. I was just commenting on the constant love letters McFarland was writing to the patriots during the game last night. It was pretty nauseating.

 

 

 

Oh...my bad man. I didn't watch that game. It is almost comical how bad the Bills schedule has been. They've played the worst teams and they're already getting handed the Lombardi trophy.

 

But as you can see by "Booger," which again, I think it's ridiculous a grown man takes pride in that nickname, the fawning over them is reaching a fevor pitch. Lets see what they do vs Lamar Jackson or Mahomes. As great as BB is, the Pats have had the benefit of playing in what's largely been a terrible division for nearly his entire tenure. Only the Jets have put together serious runs.

[HiAndTight]

It's just impossible for me to forget that BB is the best defensive coach in the history of football. Losing him running the D will be a massive loss no matter what. There's just no way to replace that mind.

 

 

It's not even just the defense though, it's him picking Wes Welker, a nobody from the Dolphins and seeing how he's going to fit with the Pats. It's taking Troy Brown and moving him from WR to CB and winning a SB. It's just him being willing to take 10 shots hoping that a few really hit.

 

He's constantly taking former 1st round picks, plugging them into certain packages and thriving. It's also him constantly rebuilding his offensive line with tackles and continually finding gems there.

 

If you had someone who was in charge of all the personel moves and you were just losing Belichick, then I'd agree. But he's the guy who picked Jimmy G, who drafted Brisset, he's the guy calling the shots. He's the guy who spent bit money on Gilmore, maybe the best Corner in the NFL right now outside of Ramsey.

 

 

Maybe they bring back Matt Patricia(the one coach who I think will really have success) and their coaching doesn't fall off, or maybe it's McDaniels. But you still need that guy who's able to look at the FA pile and identify the best bargains and how they'll fit and constantly stay one step ahead of the rest of the NFL.

 

Brady ages, he starts to lose a little arm strength and he loads the roster with 9 Running backs who can catch the ball out of the backfield or run it. He can sign a RB for 2 million dollars, watch them score 18 TD's and then move on and do it with a 5th round pick.

 

I hate the guy(in how you "hate" anyone in sports) but....damn, he's just amazing. He's Billy Beane but actually worth the hype, perfected and on an equal playing field...AND the best at coaching and he has the most disciplined team.

[homer]

The Bears are so awful on offense and I love it. Betting the farm on Trubisky will set that franchise back a decade.

[OldHeidelberg]

The Bears are so awful on offense and I love it. Betting the farm on Trubisky will set that franchise back a decade.

 

Total frauds. Kicker choked but it's really just karma for what should have been a loss in Denver. At least they gave the Vikes a loss before collapsing.