2019 NFL miscellaneous news

[adambr2]

Honestly though, the Vikings line was so putrid I'm not sure what gameplan would have worked.

Screens?

 

I think they tried quite a few of those to Cook from my recollection. He was bottled up instantly almost every time.

[homer]

Honestly though, the Vikings line was so putrid I'm not sure what gameplan would have worked.

Screens?

 

Tried em. Didn't work.

[adambr2]

The 49ers are a better, more complete football team than we are. I don't think there is any doubt of that.

 

I think we win on their field about 2 or 3 out of 10 times.

 

But, I would still say the same thing about the Titans winning in Baltimore, and Baltimore is the one going home. But yeah, IF we get there, a lot of things need to go right.

[PinaMadness]

So what about Stefanski's absolutely atrocious offensive game plan yesterday against the 49ers convinced the Browns that he was the perfect choice for their head coaching job?

Stefanski's absolutely atrocious offensive game plan yesterday against the 49ers.

[nodakfan17]

Julian Edelman was arrested in Beverly Hills for vandalism because he allegedly jumped on and subsequently dented the hood of a Mercedes. I can’t see much coming out of that unless he acted like a total jack-wagon.

[PinaMadness]

Julian Edelman was arrested in Beverly Hills for vandalism because he allegedly jumped on and subsequently dented the hood of a Mercedes. I can’t see much coming out of that unless he acted like a total jack-wagon.

Wouldn't jumping on a car in a drunken stupor qualify as jackwagon behavior?

[stalton]

Julian Edelman was arrested in Beverly Hills for vandalism because he allegedly jumped on and subsequently dented the hood of a Mercedes. I can’t see much coming out of that unless he acted like a total jack-wagon.

Wouldn't jumping on a car in a drunken stupor qualify as jackwagon behavior?

Did he try to Bo Duke it?

[nodakfan17]

Julian Edelman was arrested in Beverly Hills for vandalism because he allegedly jumped on and subsequently dented the hood of a Mercedes. I can’t see much coming out of that unless he acted like a total jack-wagon.

Wouldn't jumping on a car in a drunken stupor qualify as jackwagon behavior?

Of course. I meant in how he dealt with the owner of the car and the police. If it was a bad joke while he was drinking with his buddies, then make restitution and move on. If he didn’t grasp the severity of his mistake and gave everyone a hard time, then I wouldn’t mind seeing him sweat it out in court.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Cook had 9 carries for 18 yards. That's why the Vikings got walloped. Then they were behind too much and couldn't keep at it. Not sure it would have mattered, but they had no chance with that kind of production. Packers don't have Cook, but they do have a better line. Sure didn't look like it against SF though.

[stalton]

If you include pick 6's Winston threw more TDs than anybody else this year.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Luke Kuechly retires at age 28.

 

https://www.panthers.com/news/luke-kuechly-announces-retirement

[JimH5]

Luke Kuechly retires at age 28.

 

https://www.panthers.com/news/luke-kuechly-announces-retirement

 

Joins a growing list of guys who are getting out before they are completely broken. Hoping for more...

[homer]

I had no idea the Titans OC was the son of the guy that founded FedEx.

[nodakfan17]

[sarcasm]KC is so good, they can afford to take the first quarter off every week.[/sarcasm]

[MrTPlush]

I had no idea the Titans OC was the son of the guy that founded FedEx.

 

These are the kind of random facts that I demand in life.

[MrTPlush]

Eli Manning retired and “analysts” think he is a HOFer (majority do). Is the football hall of fame that big of a joke? Some even think without the rings he would be “compelling”. To me the two ring are the only worthy thing on his resume.

 

Wow, he would not even be on the HOF radar to me....not even close.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The football HOF is kind of a joke though. There are very few fringe players. It's not at all like baseball's where a bunch of really good players aren't in. Guys like Cecil Cooper would get into Canton with ease. That's why baseball has the best one by far IMO.

 

He shouldn't get in but he will because of notoriety and the fact that basically everyone remembers his Super Bowls really fondly. Based on the precedent they've set and how watered down it is, it's hard to see him not doing it.

 

That said I've always thought it was weird Sterling Sharpe isn't in. He was clearly on that trajectory and got hurt. He was blowing up records for that era and they've let much worse guys in.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Eli Manning retired and “analysts” think he is a HOFer (majority do). Is the football hall of fame that big of a joke? Some even think without the rings he would be “compelling”. To me the two ring are the only worthy thing on his resume.

 

Wow, he would not even be on the HOF radar to me....not even close.

 

If Eli would have entered the league a decade earlier, and been a contemporary of Favre, Aikman and Young, and put up the stats he did, he would have been a no-doubt Hall of Famer. He candidacy is somewhat hurt by playing in the era that he did, where he was overshadowed by guys like Rodgers and Roethlisberger, and even Romo for a time. But his 2 rings and longevity probably eventually get him to the hall. He's one of those guys that will probably look better as his career ages. He did have some great seasons.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I mean...he really didn't have any great seasons. If your criteria is titles then yes. But he was truly never very good. I'm not sure how comparing him to Favre and Aikman really works. We can say that about a lot of more recent players. 30 TDs and 3000 yards used to be a milestone. 3000 yards is 100% meaningless today. There are routinely 26/12 type guys that teams move on from.

 

Two seasons of 30+ TDs for when he played, and a 60% completion %, plus ALL of those picks...without the Super Bowls and name, there is no way that guy is getting into the HOF. He was basically a durable above average QB.

 

I don't think there was one season in which Eli was a top 5 QB.

[MrTPlush]

He got overshadowed by people because he flat out wasn’t that good. He is all name and two playoff runs. To be exact he did not win a single playoff game outside of those two runs. Though to be fair he only managed the playoffs six years.

 

To be honest I bet he doesn’t make it if he wasn’t a Manning.

[LouisEly]

I mean...he really didn't have any great seasons... I don't think there was one season in which Eli was a top 5 QB.

I don't know how he could have been a top-5 QB considering the offenses he played in. Tom Coughlin wasn't exactly known as an innovator on offense, and recently he played on some bad teams (only one winning season the last seven years).

 

What if Manning had been traded to the Saints and Brees traded to the Giants? Or, what if Payton had been hired by the Giants and Coughlin by the Saints? How would that have affected their respective career arcs?

 

Manning retired ranked 7th all-time in passes completed, yards, and TDs. Maybe those are archaic stats now, but that's the job of the QB - complete passes, move the ball, score TDs. Lots of other stats are dependent on the offensive scheme - and surrounding talent. Using Pro Football Reference's Career AV as a proxy for value, he finished 30th all time in Career AV and 41st all time in weighted CAV.

 

If nothing else, he was durable - he started something like 210 consecutive games which also ranks top-5 all time. Yes, his career passer rating isn't spectacular, but it's ahead of a lot of hall of famers including Aikman, Moon, Fouts, and Elway. Yes, he had a lot of interceptions, but Marino, Unitas, Tarkenton, Blanda and Farve had more. Those guys aren't getting kicked out of the hall.

 

One last point - other than OB-J, who played with Manning for four seasons (missed almost all of 2017, and complained his way out in 2018), who was the next best wide receiver to play with Manning? Who were his left tackles? Exactly.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Plaxico Burress who was instrumental in getting him a ring and Victor Cruz who was a monster during the second one. Careers cut short due to stupidity and injuries, but very good players. Along with Shockey, Barber and Jacobs.

 

Some of those arguments fall apart though when you consider that he didn't win a whole lot. It's not like a Rodgers or a Marino where he was carrying bad teams. A lot of his teams were really bad and he was one reason. His first Super Bowl season was just flat out bad.

 

A lot of the guys you listed make the argument against him. He has four HOFers in his similarity scores and they're all from the 70s and 80s. Joe Montana is one of his comps, which shows you how disingenuous that can get. QB rating is just a really bad measure for guys in different decades. Derek Carr looks like Michael Jordan if you toss him in John Elway. There is just too much scoring now and 30 TDs is not the mountain it was.

 

Eli is beneficiary of two historic playoff runs. Even with just one of those he's going down as another Joe Flacco or Drew Bledsoe. The second one is an anomaly and it's probably going to get him in.

 

The fact that we have to justify Eli with a bunch of old players should sound the alarm.

[LouisEly]

Plaxico Burress who was instrumental in getting him a ring and Victor Cruz who was a monster during the second one. Careers cut short due to stupidity and injuries, but very good players. Along with Shockey, Barber and Jacobs.

While Barber was a good pass catcher, he wasn't on either of the Super Bowl teams. He only overlapped with Manning for three seasons. The second Super Bowl season, Jacobs only had 571 rushing yards in 14 games. Jacobs only had two 1000 yard seasons in his career, and both were barely over 1000 yards; he also only had ~700 receiving yards total in his career. Shockey was only on the first Super Bowl team, and wasn't a Pro Bowler that year.

 

Speaking of the Super Bowl teams, the first one only had one Pro Bowler on it, and he was on defense (Umenyiora). The second Super Bowl team only had two Pro Bowlers - Pierre-Paul, and Manning. Those weren't talent-laded juggernauts that Manning was along for the ride like Trent Dilfer; to lead those two teams to the Super Bowl I think makes his case. No Pro Bowl offensive linemen on either team. The second Super Bowl team ranked 9th in points scored but 25th in points against, with no running back rushing for more than 700 yards.

 

Also, speaking of the Super Bowl teams, in those two post-seasons combined Manning threw 15 TDs to 2 INTs with QB ratings of 95.7 and 103.1. They won those Super Bowl because of him.

 

And he still had to play within Coughlin's system.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

They didn't have Pro Bowlers because those two teams won 19 regular season games combined and nobody votes Pro Bowlers from 9-7 teams.

 

I know that most of those guys had short lived careers and remember there was major drama between Eli and Barber. There was something about Barber saying he wouldn't win a title etc. and then they immediately did. Shockey was irrelevant on the first title team, he was hurt most of the season. I didn't mention them as reasons they won titles, just that he played with good players over his career.

 

But I have to object to the teams that won not being talented. They both had monster defensive fronts. In both cases, that's why they won titles. Tuck was hurt the second time, and getting him back helped them make a run. The first team had him, Osi and an aging but still productive Strahan.

 

For some reason I remember the 2007 run more, but that was a team people knew had underachieved and a lot of people didn't want to play them in the playoffs.

 

At least in 2011 Eli had a nice season.

 

A really damning thing for Eli is how many years they were just bad. They missed the playoffs eight times, basically half his career, and that includes qualifying at 8-8. I can't imagine if the Packers had been that bad that often during Rodgers career.

 

I expect Eli will get in because they beat New England twice, but it is really lowering the bar IMO. I just don't see any modern QB near his numbers getting in. Brees missed the playoffs a bit too, but he's rewriting records and their numbers aren't even close.

[sveumrules]

I kinda feel like Eli is the Florida Marlins of QBs. Couple of rings surrounded by a whole lot of blah. QB record is probably just as dubious as pitcher wins, but he was 117-117 as a regular season starter.

 

I don't have a problem with him making HOF, but that's probably because I don't really care about the football HOF.