2019 NFL miscellaneous news

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

The Seahawks, Cowboys, and possibly the Bears are in line to get cheap wins against the Saints if Brees misses a few weeks.

 

...and it happens the year after the Packers had rights to the Saints 1st round pick.

 

No kidding. You never hope for injuries, but I figured having that Saints 1st rounder was great, as there would be some year that Brees didn't iron man his way through the year. Missed it by a year.

 

Oh well, Darnell Savage appears to be a pretty good consolation prize.

[homer]

Kyler Murray is fun to watch.

[ReverendBrewmeister]

Week 2 was not a good one for quarterbacks. Not only is Brees out for multiple weeks, Roethlisberger is done for the season with an elbow injury.

[MrTPlush]

Man that Roethlisberger injury sucks for my fantasy team (James Conner). Of course who knows with Conner at this point too (knee). I have Samuels as the handcuff so I guess I have that going for me. Going to be mad if injuries try to derail my keeper league super team.

[nodakfan17]

The Seahawks, Cowboys, and possibly the Bears are in line to get cheap wins against the Saints if Brees misses a few weeks.

 

...and it happens the year after the Packers had rights to the Saints 1st round pick.

 

No kidding. You never hope for injuries, but I figured having that Saints 1st rounder was great, as there would be some year that Brees didn't iron man his way through the year. Missed it by a year.

 

Oh well, Darnell Savage appears to be a pretty good consolation prize.

 

I like Savage, but it would have been nice to get him without trading a pair of 4th rounders to the Seahawks.

[young guns]

I think siemian may have just broke his ankle.

[bjkrautk]

Steelers lose Big Ben on Sunday, and per ESPN, are trading their first round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick.

 

...is there an equivalent to lottery protection in the NFL? That could end up being a top 5 pick!

[homer]

Dolphins get Steelers 2020 1st and 5th round picks and a 6th-rounder in 2021 in trade while Steelers get Minkah Fitzpatrick, Dolphins 2020 4th-round pick and their 2021 6, per

@CameronWolfe

. Dolphins have combined 5 first-round picks and 4 second-round picks in next two drafts

[ReverendBrewmeister]

Dolphins get Steelers 2020 1st and 5th round picks and a 6th-rounder in 2021 in trade while Steelers get Minkah Fitzpatrick, Dolphins 2020 4th-round pick and their 2021 6, per

@CameronWolfe

. Dolphins have combined 5 first-round picks and 4 second-round picks in next two drafts

 

With that many early draft picks in hand and the cap space they've got, Miami's GM Chris Grier will have his fate in his own hands. The Steelers 2020 first rounder that he obtained might end up being really high in the round.

[MrTPlush]

Dolphins get Steelers 2020 1st and 5th round picks and a 6th-rounder in 2021 in trade while Steelers get Minkah Fitzpatrick, Dolphins 2020 4th-round pick and their 2021 6, per

@CameronWolfe

. Dolphins have combined 5 first-round picks and 4 second-round picks in next two drafts

 

With that many early draft picks in hand and the cap space they've got, Miami's GM Chris Grier will have his fate in his own hands. The Steelers 2020 first rounder that he obtained might end up being really high in the round.

 

And to think theirs will be #1 overall so they won't have to package any to get their QB. That is pretty insane.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Some pundits and talking heads seem to think that the Steelers made a decent move here. I just can't see it. Minkah Fitzpatrick is a solid player, but he's a player that is likely not fast enough to be a full time shut-down CB, and not physical/aggressive enough to be a stout safety. What you have is a Micah Hyde-type, which is a solid player that can start for multiple years and perhaps make a Pro Bowl or two. Is that worth what could be a top 5 draft pick in what is looking like a very solid draft?

 

I get the feeling the Steelers are kinda getting the benefit of the doubt because they've basically been a well-run franchise personnel wise over the past decade. But this move, in my opinion, has all the markings of being a train wreck.

[PeaveyFury]

I'm with you, Joey. I'm fine with this if it's a typical Steelers' late-in-the-first pick, but they could be giving up a top 5-10 pick for him here.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'm with you, Joey. I'm fine with this if it's a typical Steelers' late-in-the-first pick, but they could be giving up a top 5-10 pick for him here.

 

It would be one thing if Ben had ld them to two early season wins already before going down, but they are already 0-2, and there have been a lot of evident holes in the boat that don't really point to things turning around this year. Yeah, I suppose the young guy could come in and play well, but personally I think the Steelers ceiling was as a .500 team with a healthy Big Ben. Fitzpatrick isn't enough of a needle-moving talent that going to turn a middling to below-average defense into a stand-out unit.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I'm with you, Joey. I'm fine with this if it's a typical Steelers' late-in-the-first pick, but they could be giving up a top 5-10 pick for him here.

 

There are whispers out there that Mason Rudolph has looked so good that the Steelers don't think they'll miss a beat with Ben on the shelf. The Minkah trade was a win-now move and the Steelers think Rudolph will keep the 2020 first rounder in the 20s.

 

Tip to fantasy footballers: Add Mason Rudolph

[HiAndTight]

Some pundits and talking heads seem to think that the Steelers made a decent move here. I just can't see it. Minkah Fitzpatrick is a solid player, but he's a player that is likely not fast enough to be a full time shut-down CB, and not physical/aggressive enough to be a stout safety. What you have is a Micah Hyde-type, which is a solid player that can start for multiple years and perhaps make a Pro Bowl or two. Is that worth what could be a top 5 draft pick in what is looking like a very solid draft?

 

I get the feeling the Steelers are kinda getting the benefit of the doubt because they've basically been a well-run franchise personnel wise over the past decade. But this move, in my opinion, has all the markings of being a train wreck.

 

 

 

I think you're wildly understating just how good Fitzpatrick is. Had the Packers traded for him, I think a pretty strong argument could be made that he would step in and be the best player in that secondary right out of the gate.

I don't think the Hyde comp is even close. He's a stud at corner, FS, he can play in the box, though that was something he didn't like in Miami. I'm sure the prospect of being on a win-less team and taking a beating for that bad of a team played into that at least a little bit. But he played outside last year when Howard went down and was very good. At 4.46, his speed really isn't an issue playing corner, then you add his instincts and length and physicality and I think he'd excel there. But he's so versatile, he can play anywhere.

 

 

The issue I have is the same as yours. If they end up with a top 5 pick, which looks like a very real possibility given how badly the Steelers have looked this year. Even when Big Ben was in there, they looked bad. JuJu hasn't shown he can be a #1 WR'er, they haven't had that #2 option step up.

 

The Steelers are just not that talented a team.

 

You're absolutely right though, this absolutely has the potential to be just an absolute train wreck and the type of trade that they lament for years if they end up finishing where they're not projected to. Imagine the Colts trading their 1st round pick the year Manning went down with an injury? This obviously isn't the same thing, but it could still end up being a terrible decision.

[HiAndTight]

Dolphins get Steelers 2020 1st and 5th round picks and a 6th-rounder in 2021 in trade while Steelers get Minkah Fitzpatrick, Dolphins 2020 4th-round pick and their 2021 6, per

@CameronWolfe

. Dolphins have combined 5 first-round picks and 4 second-round picks in next two drafts

 

With that many early draft picks in hand and the cap space they've got, Miami's GM Chris Grier will have his fate in his own hands. The Steelers 2020 first rounder that he obtained might end up being really high in the round.

 

And to think theirs will be #1 overall so they won't have to package any to get their QB. That is pretty insane.

 

 

I've already said this, but I'll say it again, if I'm the Dolphins, I'm trading out of that top spot this year and looking at this as a two year tank-fest. Might as well just tank the following year when you've got Lawrence coming out.

 

Draft your OL, pick up some pass rushers and then the following year start to spend that 200 million they've got in cap room, draft Lawrence and some weapons. Lawrence's upside is just far higher than Tua's.

[nodakfan17]

The next time the Packers go through a lean decade, I hope we handle it as graciously as the Bills Mafia.

[MrTPlush]

I've already said this, but I'll say it again, if I'm the Dolphins, I'm trading out of that top spot this year and looking at this as a two year tank-fest. Might as well just tank the following year when you've got Lawrence coming out.

 

Draft your OL, pick up some pass rushers and then the following year start to spend that 200 million they've got in cap room, draft Lawrence and some weapons. Lawrence's upside is just far higher than Tua's.

 

I mean, can't say you are wrong. They are so freakin' bad though they likely draft #1 again next year. They could certainly slide down ever so slightly and still be Top 10 while gaining valuable future picks. Maybe just draft a different player #1 not named a QB, Chase Young?

 

The tank job is more about not spending all that cap space. I see them just taking the QB this draft, really don't see them trying to tank it two years in a row like that. At least not to the point they draft #1 and grab Lawrence.

[nodakfan17]

I wonder how many people in a survivor pool will simply pick against the Dolphins whenever possible?

[HiAndTight]

I've already said this, but I'll say it again, if I'm the Dolphins, I'm trading out of that top spot this year and looking at this as a two year tank-fest. Might as well just tank the following year when you've got Lawrence coming out.

 

Draft your OL, pick up some pass rushers and then the following year start to spend that 200 million they've got in cap room, draft Lawrence and some weapons. Lawrence's upside is just far higher than Tua's.

 

I mean, can't say you are wrong. They are so freakin' bad though they likely draft #1 again next year. They could certainly slide down ever so slightly and still be Top 10 while gaining valuable future picks. Maybe just draft a different player #1 not named a QB, Chase Young?

 

The tank job is more about not spending all that cap space. I see them just taking the QB this draft, really don't see them trying to tank it two years in a row like that. At least not to the point they draft #1 and grab Lawrence.

 

 

Young makes sense, but you've gotta think teams in the top 5-ish will really be looking at Tua as a franchise QB. And that makes sense. If I were them, I'd be looking at building up that OL. Wirfs, Thomas. Hell, draft 'em both with that Steelers pick and you've got a LT/RT set up for years! How mad would Dolphins fans be if they did that though? Pass up on the consensus #1 pick this year to draft a couple of tackles and then tank again next year?

 

But since we're playing franchise mode in Madden here, they draft those tackles, throw Rosen in there at QB next year and see what he can do. Maybe he looks good enough that they can flip him for another pick. I mean, he was the 10th pick in the draft last year and he's pretty much an after thought right now.

 

Just build up that elite OL so that when Lawrence steps in and they've got the GDP of France to spend in Free Agency, they can turn things around quickly. I'm sure they'll just end up drafting Tua this year though.

[SeaBass]

Not sure if anybody watched the game last night, TEN vs. JAX so probably not a ton of interest especially with the Cubs/Cardinals to monitor, but Gardner Minshew looks like a steal of a 6th round pick at QB for Jacksonville. He's a guy when you watch him play he just has it. Looks like a vet.

 

The other cool thing I saw last night was the end of the Tulane vs. Houston game. I had zero interest in this game, I had only turned on ESPN just before 10 pm to watch the first segment of SportsCenter and check out Cubs/Cards highlights and the Brewers too. I was annoyed because this college game I had no interest in was tied at 31 with :18 seconds left looking like it was going to go to OT, thus delaying SportsCenter.

 

Tulane received the kickoff, a squib kick by Houston, and had the ball at their own 30-ish yard line. In two plays Tulane scored the winning touchdown. It was pretty crazy, a fake kneel down on the first play to pick up 18 to 20 yards and get to mid field, next play a pretty pass over the middle that Houston's defense defended poorly and failed to make a tackle on and just like that the game was over. It's a highlight worth looking up.

[LouisEly]

I've already said this, but I'll say it again, if I'm the Dolphins, I'm trading out of that top spot this year and looking at this as a two year tank-fest. Might as well just tank the following year when you've got Lawrence coming out.

 

Draft your OL, pick up some pass rushers and then the following year start to spend that 200 million they've got in cap room, draft Lawrence and some weapons. Lawrence's upside is just far higher than Tua's.

 

I mean, can't say you are wrong. They are so freakin' bad though they likely draft #1 again next year. They could certainly slide down ever so slightly and still be Top 10 while gaining valuable future picks. Maybe just draft a different player #1 not named a QB, Chase Young?

 

The tank job is more about not spending all that cap space. I see them just taking the QB this draft, really don't see them trying to tank it two years in a row like that. At least not to the point they draft #1 and grab Lawrence.

Or trade out of the top spot next year for picks in 2021 that they can use to trade up to #1 in 2021 if they don't finish with the worst record. They already have a bunch of extra picks in 2021 that they should be able to do it.

 

That being said, I'm not convinced that Lawrence is better than Tua, at least not that much better.

[tmwiese55]

I think if we were in a video game where we could straight up guarantee you get the #1 in 2021 I'd be all for that, it makes perfect sense and if I was picking I'd take Lawrence over Tua. However, say you don't take Tua. Then the next year you only get the #3 pick, well then you're kinda screwed. With the draft capital they've built up the team at #1 would hold them ransom and clean them out. It's probably safest to just take Tua now.

 

Spitballing though. If you get a good read on the Oregon QB and think he can do it maybe you can do the trade down move this year and take him and not worry about it the year after. You'd have your young QB and have a ridiculous amount of high draft picks to go around him. So in theory maybe be able to build up a Seahawks type model of an absolutely loaded talent team paired with a cheap QB.

 

Yea, crazy ending in that Houston game last night. I scroll through twitter and I see constant chatter about how awful the NFL game is (this happens almost every Thursday and quite a bit all the time for NFL) and I just think why don't people just watch college instead. It's so much more entertaining.

[homer]

Dolphins 2020 picks:

– 2020 1st-round pick (MIA)

– 2020 1st-round pick (HOU)

– 2020 1st-round pick (PIT)

– 2020 2nd-round pick (MIA)

– 2020 2nd-round pick (NO)

– 2020 3rd-round pick (MIA)

– 2020 3rd-round pick (Comp – Ja’Wuan James)

– 2020 5th-round pick (MIA)

– 2020 5th-round pick (PIT)

– 2020 5th-round pick (Comp – Cam Wake)

– 2020 6th-round pick (MIA)

– 2020 6th-round pick (DAL)

– 2020 7th-round pick (MIA)

– 2020 7th-round pick (KC)

 

Dolphins 2021 draft picks:

– 2021 1st-round pick (MIA)

– 2021 1st-round pick (HOU)

– 2021 2nd-round pick (MIA)

– 2021 2nd-round pick (HOU)

– 2021 3rd-round pick (MIA)

– 2021 4th-round pick (MIA)

– 2021 5th-round pick (MIA)

– 2021 6th-round pick (PIT)

[homer]

Those three 2020 picks could all easily be in the top 10 if Watson gets hurt. I could see them trading down out of a few of those spots and getting more draft capital for 2021.