2019 NFL miscellaneous news

[OldHeidelberg]

The 2010 team was a lot more balanced. It was a 10-6 wildcard but they had 2 injury plagued losing streaks during the season. Lots of people were picking them to win the SB going into the playoffs, they were slight underdogs in Philly but were favorites the rest of the way. They may have had a better team on paper going into 2011 but a lot of that was just the continuation of what they had at the end of the previous season. Once Collins went down they were worse than the 2010 team, remember they lost Jenkins as well and I really don't think they added much.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

They were an underdog in Atlanta as well and lost a game there earlier in the season. I think the line moved to -1 by kickoff, but they were still an underdog. A lot of people forget how dicey that game began; without the Tramon play it probably would've gone down to the wire. The Packers fumbled on an early drive and gave up a kickoff for a TD, they were down 14-7. The Tramon play was really a killer. Atlanta was just dead coming out of the half.

 

The rest is pretty true though. They had a 12-4 pythagorean that year, it was a much better team than 10-6. Rodgers essentially missed two games, and people ALSO forget how bad the offense was early in the season. It was bad. They were 3-3 and lost two straight OT games to Washington and Miami. That team was freakishly close to being more like 14-2...and they also never trailed by more than 7 all season, a really crazy stat.

[OldHeidelberg]

It appears you are right on the Atlanta spread, I guess the fact that a #6 at a #1 seed was nearly a pick em at kickoff makes me remember them as favorites. I also tend to factor in the 3 point home field advantage when looking at spreads too so maybe remember it as the Packers being considered the better team going in.

[homer]

2010 was right at the beginning of the rise of advanced analytics in football. Brian Burke had his own website back then (he works for ESPN now) and I believe he had the Packers as top 5 defense and I think the best passing offense. His model had them winning it all going into the playoffs.

 

I was a little off....Defense was 6th, offense was 4th (passing offense was 3rd)

 

http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2011/01/2010-team-efficiency-rankings-final.html

[nate82]

Rumblings of Newton to the Bears in the off season. As a Bears fan I don't like it as it doesn't fix the issue of the offensive line it is just a different QB with a bad o-line. Not even sure how they would fit him under the cap.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Rumblings of Newton to the Bears in the off season. As a Bears fan I don't like it as it doesn't fix the issue of the offensive line it is just a different QB with a bad o-line. Not even sure how they would fit him under the cap.

 

You are right. That would just be another band-aid on a severed arm for that franchise.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

He hasn't been particularly good in quite some time. I'm not sure he solves either problem at this point in his career.

[homer]

I don't know how the Bears would work that cap wise.

[JosephC]

Wow, there are people out there that still think Cam Newton is a plus NFL QB?

 

In the four years prior to the Panthers big 2015 season, Cam Newton had a QB rating of 85.4, a 1.52 TD/INT ratio and the Panthers were 30-31-1 in games he started. In the four years after the Panthers big 2015 season, Cam Newton has a QB rating of 82.6, a 1.48 TD/INT ratio and the Panthers are 23-23 in games he started.

 

As a Packer fan, I'd absolutely love to see the Bears trade for Cam Newton.

[HiAndTight]

Wow, there are people out there that still think Cam Newton is a plus NFL QB?

 

In the four years prior to the Panthers big 2015 season, Cam Newton had a QB rating of 85.4, a 1.52 TD/INT ratio and the Panthers were 30-31-1 in games he started. In the four years after the Panthers big 2015 season, Cam Newton has a QB rating of 82.6, a 1.48 TD/INT ratio and the Panthers are 23-23 in games he started.

 

As a Packer fan, I'd absolutely love to see the Bears trade for Cam Newton.

 

 

The guy's always playing when he's beat to hell. He obviously runs the ball and takes a lot of punishment because of that, but he's also has NOT benefited from the protections that other QB's have gotten. Because he's so big and such a freakishly athletic big athlete, defensive players have gotten away with a ton of hits that they wouldn't have gotten away with against Rodgers or Brady or almost anyone else.

 

I could definitely see Newton after sitting out this whole year and finally taking the time to get healthy still having a good stretch left in his career. Especially if he had a great defense, a really good running game(Montgomery looks like a really nice back).

 

I really couldn't see him being WORSE than what Trubisky has been this year. If I was the Bears I'd try to help support Trubisky with a good TE and then obviously trying to upgrade the OL before I'd go out and take a chance that Newton is an appreciable upgrade over Trubisky. But obviously Bears fans aren't patient, the organization isn't patient and they don't have a lot of different options for upgrading that QB position.

[HiAndTight]

The 2010 was a hell of a lot better defensively than 2011. The 2018 team was.

 

 

The 2011 team was a helluva lot better offensively.

They had no RB until they found one late in the year in Ryan Grant, they had players dropping like flies that year, one of their key players was Howard Green, a run stuffer we picked up off the street. Guys like Finley were dropping while we were relying on UDFA Sam Shields.

 

But...and I thought this was obvious, the point isn't to go back and quibble over the talent on the 2010 team vs the 2011 team, I was just trying to say maybe this team can go on a run and win the SB despite the fact that they don't appear to be the favorites right now. That's it. Nothing more meant behind what I said. Just maybe this team gets some breaks and makes some timely plays and can get back to the SB despite the fact that there are better more talented teams.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't agree though and you have some facts confused. The stats are skewed because of how bad the team was to start the year. By the end of the year they were close to the same juggernaut that they were to start 2011. They didn't find Grant late in the year...he had been on the team for four years by then and went on IR to start the season. They found Starks late in the year and he was a beast heading into the playoffs. The end of 2010 was Jordy's coming out party, Jennings had established himself as a top guy and Driver was still productive, and they had James Jones.

 

It was a very good offense that yes, did lose a bunch of guys and had to adapt...but it was pretty much the same guys + a rookie Randall Cobb and a healthy Finley in 2011. Remember that the Steelers defense was #1/#2 depending on the website and that offense largely humiliated them.

 

IDK what Shields being a UFDA has to do with it. UFDA or #1 overall pick, he was an exceptional player. IMO he's one of the most underrated Packers of the last decade. He was a great corner.

[homer]

Combined records of remaining opponents for teams vying for #1 seed in NFC:

 

49ers 40-25-1

Seahawks 33-22-1

Vikings 30-25-1

Saints 33-33

Packers 25-30-1

[nodakfan17]

Combined records of remaining opponents for teams vying for #1 seed in NFC:

 

49ers 40-25-1

Seahawks 33-22-1

Vikings 30-25-1

Saints 33-33

Packers 25-30-1

Pretty much the reverse of the season’s first half.

[OldHeidelberg]

Combined records of remaining opponents for teams vying for #1 seed in NFC:

 

49ers 40-25-1

Seahawks 33-22-1

Vikings 30-25-1

Saints 33-33

Packers 25-30-1

 

Here are the head to head matchups:

 

GB @ SF

SF @ NO

MN @ SEA

GB @ MN

SF @ SEA

 

I would say NO is a pretty solid bet to take one of the bye spots. After that it is wide open, nice to be a part of it again.

[jerichoholicninja]

This whole Kap "workout" thing is hilarious. Just a real joke by all parties involved. Colin should have refused to participate and the NFL couldn't be any more transparent with their intentions behind it. They might as well have invited Antonio Brown to it.

[MrTPlush]

This whole Kap "workout" thing is hilarious. Just a real joke by all parties involved. Colin should have refused to participate and the NFL couldn't be any more transparent with their intentions behind it. They might as well have invited Antonio Brown to it.

 

I was thinking the same. Just a pathetic PR move they don’t even really need to do. Just weird.

[homer]

So Myles Garrett is getting suspended...

[Jaylyn]

So Myles Garrett is getting suspended...

That entire situation needs careful review. What was Rudolpf doing? Was his hand caught in Garretts helmet or just playing dirty? Garrett needs to get a LONG suspension and fine. Pouncy kicking Garrett on the ground and Ogunjobi with the blindside shove. NFL needs to come down hard!

[RollieTime]

That was an intense brawl. I don’t see any way Garrett is not suspended the rest of the season at the least. Pouncey I don’t think should be suspended, but I’m sure he will get suspended something like 4 games. He definitely played a part in the brawl, but what do you expect a guy to do when an opponent yanked off your QB’s helmet and smashed him over the head with it? To stand around and do nothing? Obviously guys are going to step in and retaliate in some way when something that extreme happens to a teammate. I just think at some point you use common sense and say it was in defense of a teammate and with what happened to him, his teammates have the right to stand up to that behavior.

 

That’s like a person attacking you on the street and beating you up, you hit them back, and you’re getting arrested too. That wouldn’t happen. It’s self defense. You’re protecting a teammate in this situation and it should be looked at in that way.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Pouncey did more damange to his suspension with those kicks to the head than the swings. I think he would've gotten a game otherwise

 

Jack is crazy. He shouldn't play another game this year. Rudolph should get it too. Certainly looked like he was trying to yank a helmet off.

[MrTPlush]

Rudolph deserves a suspension himself for trying to take a players helmet off....or at least a fine of some sort. To be honest he got what he deserved as far as getting his helmet ripped off...maybe dragging him around like a rag doll was a bit much, but I think he definitely had it coming his way after he tried to do the same. Now hitting him with the helmet...quite inexcusable. That just not right and should come with a lengthy suspension.

 

Though I do think it is interesting that just because this was after a play the entire NFL community is up in arms about he could have died etc....yet fans/players rarely bat an eye on the vicious and intentional helmet to helmet hits every week. The biggest concern is the 15 yard penalty going for/against you. Not the fact those are the worst injuries in football and lead to long term brain injuries. Just assault people with your helmet during the play....all good then.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The community should be up in arms because helmet to flesh is a bit different and it took place WELL after a play. I need to see it again though. A bunch of people are saying Rudolph's hands got stuck in the helmet, but it sure looked when I first watched that he was clearly trying to rip it off. Which is insane, anyone ever seen Myles Garrett? Of all the guys to screw with...

[bucks2281]

They’ll give Garrett a 6 game suspension, he’ll appeal it down to 4 and then people will outraged (rightfully) that the length of the suspension is equivalent to a drug violation.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think they're going to come down extremely hard on him. I don't think he's playing again this season. Dude swung a helmet and made contact with a guy's unprotected head. They can't play the head protection game and then let him off even remotely easy. Everyone saw it on national television, not like we are reading a police report.