Trading Hiura

[pacopete4]

Okay, we are showcasing how awesome the bat is but with the horrid defense Hiura has, what could we snag from an AL team that has the luxury of the DH for this guy?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Hiura seems like the type that the Astros would be all over. Maybe for a package of Whitley and an infielder like Nova, Toro or Jeremy Pena?

[brewers888]

No we cannot and should not trade the best hitter this organization has drafted in the last decade.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

No we cannot and should not trade the best hitter this organization has drafted in the last decade.

 

No one should ever be untouchable. Some guys are just much tougher to get than others.

[pacopete4]

Trade with the Orioles:

 

Orioles Get: Hiura ($75.5)

Brewers Get: 2B/SS- Villar ($4), SP- Grayson Rodriguez ($24.5), IF- Ryan Mountcastle ($27.4), C- Chance Sisco ($13.4)

TOTALS: Brewers- $75.5 and Orioles- $69.4

 

-Villar steps in at 2B for the 2020 season as he is a free agent after that.

-Mountcastle is our right-handed 1B option that can also play other positions in the IF. Controlled for 6 years.

-Sisco is our new LH catcher which allows Pina to play versus RH pitching and he comes cheap. Controlled through 2024.

-Grayson Rodriguez is the young, controllable pitching we still need to stack up. He's a top prospect and has done well in his short time as a pro.

 

 

OR:

 

Trade with Athletics:

 

Athletics Get: Hiura ($75.5)

Brewers Get: P-AJ Puk ($39.4), C- Sean Murphy ($34.5), 2B/IF- Jurikson Profar ($2.3)

TOTALS: Brewers- $75.5 and Orioles- $76.2

 

-AJ Puk either get a rotation look or inserted into the bullpen which could pair very nicely with Hader.

-Sean Murphy becomes your #1 C and you still have a Pina type to back him up.

-Profar becomes your 2B in 2020 and you hope he hits more like 2018 Texas Rangers Profar.

[brewers888]

Trade with the Orioles:

 

Orioles Get: Hiura ($75.5)

Brewers Get: 2B/SS- Villar ($4), SP- Grayson Rodriguez ($24.5), IF- Ryan Mountcastle ($27.4), C- Chance Sisco ($13.4)

TOTALS: Brewers- $75.5 and Orioles- $69.4

 

-Villar steps in at 2B for the 2020 season as he is a free agent after that.

-Mountcastle is our right-handed 1B option that can also play other positions in the IF. Controlled for 6 years.

-Sisco is our new LH catcher which allows Pina to play versus RH pitching and he comes cheap. Controlled through 2024.

-Grayson Rodriguez is the young, controllable pitching we still need to stack up. He's a top prospect and has done well in his short time as a pro.

 

 

OR:

 

Trade with Athletics:

 

Athletics Get: Hiura ($75.5)

Brewers Get: P-AJ Puk ($39.4), C- Sean Murphy ($34.5), 2B/IF- Jurikson Profar ($2.3)

TOTALS: Brewers- $75.5 and Orioles- $76.2

 

-AJ Puk either get a rotation look or inserted into the bullpen which could pair very nicely with Hader.

-Sean Murphy becomes your #1 C and you still have a Pina type to back him up.

-Profar becomes your 2B in 2020 and you hope he hits more like 2018 Texas Rangers Profar.

 

If we make either of these deals we should start looking for another general manager because anyone that would sign off on either of them is inept.

[Oxy]

It's tempting to trade Hiura but I think you gotta be patient. He just hasnt had enough reps at 2nd to say he'll never stick there. We are already short on young position players so I think you roll with him for another year and then re-evaluate.

[phnxcrew]

Sure it would make sense to trade him. Just like if you could trade Yelich for two established, pre-arby aces and an all star catcher and a couple can’t miss position player prospects

[Brew crew 92]

8 year extension is in order, build a title winner around him, Grisham and Woodruff.

 

He hasn’t played much in the field ever. Needs reps, should be competent sooner rather than later if he works at it.

[pacopete4]

His arm is a wet noodle. Maybe I'm starting to agree that he needs surgery? Either way, it is pathetic. It's not major league quality.

[Brew crew 92]

His arm is a wet noodle. Maybe I'm starting to agree that he needs surgery? Either way, it is pathetic. It's not major league quality.

 

Then wait a year, after he hits .320 .380 .630 with 40 hr’s, he’ll have a 180 million surplus value, and then we can get 5 top 100 prospects.

[Lathund]

I wouldn't trade Hiura. Despite the very poor defense so far he's still a well-above average player overall. Among players with 200+ PAs, his 143 wRC+ is the 20th best in the majors. I also hold out some hope that his defense can get better; after all he barely played defense in his last two years of college, and didn't start playing 2B regularly as a pro until a month (or two?) into the 2018 season. So he has about 1½ season worth of innings at 2B, it's very much possible he can get better. As far as range and athleticism and gettnig to the baseball, he's fine. Not great, but certainly good enough. The problem is almost entirely about throwing. And the problem isn't so much that his arm is weak; I mean it is, but not to the point where it's unplayable or anything. He'll never be a good relay man though. No the problem is accuracy. To some degree that can be a result of a lack of strength, having to throw with max effort more often, with poor accuracy as a result. Or, like today with the high throw that failed to turn a DP, poor technique. But a lot of the time it looks to me like a mental thing. Not quite the yips, but something akin to it. He sometimes has plenty of time to get set and throw and instead he pulls the throw wide and low. Perhaps too much time to think about it. So he might never have a strong arm (With his history, he's not someone I'd have work with Driveline or some such to fix that...), but I think experience, coaching and (If it is indeed mental) a psychologist can fix a lot of it. I think he'll end up as a below average defender, but better than what he is. And even if he doesn't, I'd try him at LF and 1B before giving up.

 

Secondly, if the Brewers were to sour on his defense, I don't think an AL team would necessarily offer much more than what he'd be worth to an NL team. Most teams don't ilke to run a dedicated DH but prefer to rotate. And those who have a dedicated DH might prefer someone who can't even play the field at all. You don't want to give up a ton for a DH-only unless the player is something special, aa DH-only has nowhere else to go and creates some roster issues. In other words, teams would probably still factor in his defense into their offer, as he'd likely see a lot of time in the field even in the AL.

 

Thirdly, there's a very high chance that the DH arrives in the NL soon.

 

But yeah, the TL;DR is that his bat is too good to give up on.

[Devinep]

1B is open after next year. Move him there if he sucks next year

[xisxisxis]

Maybe the Brewers can just put "Braun" on Hiura's jersey then Brew4U would ignore his awful defense...

[homer]

His defense is bad but he's still at +2.2 WAR in 66 games. That's 14th best 2B in all of baseball in only 66 games. He's probably top five if he plays all year.

 

Also, as bad as he is he's still like twice as good as Weeks was his rookie year. That says more about Weeks than Hiura I guess

[Roderick]

I'm not against trading Hiura, but you definitely have to get back a haul. Is there any team that has a young, hasn't-hit-arby, stud 3B? That would be where I try to match up first.

[Outlander]

Maybe the Brewers can just put "Braun" on Hiura's jersey then Brew4U would ignore his awful defense...

#KestonHiuraForever

[tmwiese55]

I don't see really any scenario it'll happen. But IMO the only one that could be logical to me would be for a legit ace level pitcher young and controlled for years. Only one I could think of would be Syndegaard but the Mets made the right choice and kept him, realizing how dumb it would be to move him with his team control and skills. For another position player in a similar situation as him (age, contract, etc) just seems like shuffling chairs for the sake of it for both teams.

[pacopete4]

Maybe the Brewers can just put "Braun" on Hiura's jersey then Brew4U would ignore his awful defense...

 

The difference being, Braun is 35 and a year from being done as a Brewer with no where to go. Hiura either this offseason or next could fetch a ton to help us. But carry on with you condescending remarks.

[RollieTime]

Every player can be had, but trading a 22 year old that we control for 6 years that is on pace for 40+ doubles, 30+ homers, and can hit over .300 if stretched out over a full season doesn’t seem like a wise move for a team looking to compete. The guy is just beginning and he can already rake.

 

I don’t understand how some posters (including the OP) were totally against trading Hader because we are trying to contend now and in the near future, but are very open to trading this guy. Hader is going to get expensive very quickly and is controlled for 2 less seasons than Hiura. Relievers are also extremely volatile. It’s quite a drop off from Hiura to Shaw, Saladino, and Perez, but that’s what we would be trotting out there to replace him. There aren’t too many good second baseman out there, but even on the free agent market, who out there would we sign to replace him without spending $10+ million to do it who would put up anything close to Hiura? Isn’t removing Hiura from this lineup going to greatly hurt this offense and our future?

 

Even Yelich, who I’m totally against trading, people want to keep because of how cheap he is for the production he gives. I don’t see why Hiura couldn’t be a perennial all-star just like Yelich. If he is a .300 hitter and puts up 30+ homers, he would have a real shot at being a top 5 MVP candidate, who we would be paying the league minimum to. Especially when his defense gets a little better, he could be truly special. He’s young and hasn’t played much defense the last few years. Wasn’t there a minor league coach that coached Griffey Jr. among others and said Hiura is a talent similar to that? He’s a cornerstone that we build around, not trade away.

 

Add a guy like Rendon in free agency to pair with Yelich, Hiura, Grisham, Cain, and Braun, we could really have a special offense. Especially if Moose returns and plays some first to allow Rendon to play third, we would have a roster with a very good balance of righties and lefties with some good pop up and down the lineup from both sides. We would feature a lineup that has 3 guys that could realistically finish in the top 10 in MVP voting in Yelich, Rendon, and Hiura.

[NievesNoNO]

I guess everyone has a price, but I just fail to see a realistic scenario.

 

Clevinger. That would be my answer. I don't think it makes sense for the Brewers to try and trade a now, MLB proven good young player for prospects. The risk is too high.

[wntrtxn21]

Every player can be had, but trading a 22 year old that we control for 6 years that is on pace for 40+ doubles, 30+ homers, and can hit over .300 if stretched out over a full season doesn’t seem like a wise move for a team looking to compete. The guy is just beginning and he can already rake.

 

I don’t understand how some posters (including the OP) were totally against trading Hader because we are trying to contend now and in the near future, but are very open to trading this guy. Hader is going to get expensive very quickly and is controlled for 2 less seasons than Hiura. Relievers are also extremely volatile. It’s quite a drop off from Hiura to Shaw, Saladino, and Perez, but that’s what we would be trotting out there to replace him. There aren’t too many good second baseman out there, but even on the free agent market, who out there would we sign to replace him without spending $10+ million to do it who would put up anything close to Hiura? Isn’t removing Hiura from this lineup going to greatly hurt this offense and our future?

 

Even Yelich, who I’m totally against trading, people want to keep because of how cheap he is for the production he gives. I don’t see why Hiura couldn’t be a perennial all-star just like Yelich. If he is a .300 hitter and puts up 30+ homers, he would have a real shot at being a top 5 MVP candidate, who we would be paying the league minimum to. Especially when his defense gets a little better, he could be truly special. He’s young and hasn’t played much defense the last few years. Wasn’t there a minor league coach that coached Griffey Jr. among others and said Hiura is a talent similar to that? He’s a cornerstone that we build around, not trade away.

 

Add a guy like Rendon in free agency to pair with Yelich, Hiura, Grisham, Cain, and Braun, we could really have a special offense. Especially if Moose returns and plays some first to allow Rendon to play third, we would have a roster with a very good balance of righties and lefties with some good pop up and down the lineup from both sides. We would feature a lineup that has 3 guys that could realistically finish in the top 10 in MVP voting in Yelich, Rendon, and Hiura.

 

Do you really think the Brewers have the money to get Rendon? He'll get $22-25M and a 4-5 year deal easily. I think he's way to expensive for the Crew. Moustakas is a better option at around $11M per for 3 years, and spend the rest they would have spent on Rendon for pitching or a SS. I'm still not sold on Grisham. He hasn't done much in a short span in the big leagues to be overly enthusiastic about him(.228/.303).

[RollieTime]

Every player can be had, but trading a 22 year old that we control for 6 years that is on pace for 40+ doubles, 30+ homers, and can hit over .300 if stretched out over a full season doesn’t seem like a wise move for a team looking to compete. The guy is just beginning and he can already rake.

 

I don’t understand how some posters (including the OP) were totally against trading Hader because we are trying to contend now and in the near future, but are very open to trading this guy. Hader is going to get expensive very quickly and is controlled for 2 less seasons than Hiura. Relievers are also extremely volatile. It’s quite a drop off from Hiura to Shaw, Saladino, and Perez, but that’s what we would be trotting out there to replace him. There aren’t too many good second baseman out there, but even on the free agent market, who out there would we sign to replace him without spending $10+ million to do it who would put up anything close to Hiura? Isn’t removing Hiura from this lineup going to greatly hurt this offense and our future?

 

Even Yelich, who I’m totally against trading, people want to keep because of how cheap he is for the production he gives. I don’t see why Hiura couldn’t be a perennial all-star just like Yelich. If he is a .300 hitter and puts up 30+ homers, he would have a real shot at being a top 5 MVP candidate, who we would be paying the league minimum to. Especially when his defense gets a little better, he could be truly special. He’s young and hasn’t played much defense the last few years. Wasn’t there a minor league coach that coached Griffey Jr. among others and said Hiura is a talent similar to that? He’s a cornerstone that we build around, not trade away.

 

Add a guy like Rendon in free agency to pair with Yelich, Hiura, Grisham, Cain, and Braun, we could really have a special offense. Especially if Moose returns and plays some first to allow Rendon to play third, we would have a roster with a very good balance of righties and lefties with some good pop up and down the lineup from both sides. We would feature a lineup that has 3 guys that could realistically finish in the top 10 in MVP voting in Yelich, Rendon, and Hiura.

 

Do you really think the Brewers have the money to get Rendon? He'll get $22-25M and a 4-5 year deal easily. I think he's way to expensive for the Crew. Moustakas is a better option at around $11M per for 3 years, and spend the rest they would have spent on Rendon for pitching or a SS. I'm still not sold on Grisham. He hasn't done much in a short span in the big leagues to be overly enthusiastic about him(.228/.303).

 

Yeah I think they can fit him in. They would have to give out the largest contract in team history by quite a bit, but he’s a young enough player that I think that it would turn out alright. I don’t think he would prevent the Brewers from making other moves as there could be a ton of money off the books this offseason if Stearns decides to go that route.

[DuWayne Steurer]

As bad as Hiura's defense has been, he projects out to a 5-ish WAR player over a full season. Braun was "launching the Titanic" bad in 2007. He was a -2.9 dWAR, and over 113 games, his defense was so bad, he was only a 2.0 WAR.

 

It's tempting to think of what Hiura can bring back, but despite everyone's eye test, he's not so bad at defense that he's "Ryan Braun / historically bad"

 

I think he makes some really really bad throws and that skews the perception of how "bad" he is at defense. A comically bad throw now and then is still only one error. Hiura is pretty athletic, and makes some decent plays, and if he can't stick at 2nd, let's find a place for the dude. He's going to put up some .325/35/125 seasons. This isn't Domingo Santana we're talking about trading away here, this is a dude that could put up some .950/1.000 OPS seasons (he already is).

[Brew crew 92]

Every player can be had, but trading a 22 year old that we control for 6 years that is on pace for 40+ doubles, 30+ homers, and can hit over .300 if stretched out over a full season doesn’t seem like a wise move for a team looking to compete. The guy is just beginning and he can already rake.

 

I don’t understand how some posters (including the OP) were totally against trading Hader because we are trying to contend now and in the near future, but are very open to trading this guy. Hader is going to get expensive very quickly and is controlled for 2 less seasons than Hiura. Relievers are also extremely volatile. It’s quite a drop off from Hiura to Shaw, Saladino, and Perez, but that’s what we would be trotting out there to replace him. There aren’t too many good second baseman out there, but even on the free agent market, who out there would we sign to replace him without spending $10+ million to do it who would put up anything close to Hiura? Isn’t removing Hiura from this lineup going to greatly hurt this offense and our future?

 

Even Yelich, who I’m totally against trading, people want to keep because of how cheap he is for the production he gives. I don’t see why Hiura couldn’t be a perennial all-star just like Yelich. If he is a .300 hitter and puts up 30+ homers, he would have a real shot at being a top 5 MVP candidate, who we would be paying the league minimum to. Especially when his defense gets a little better, he could be truly special. He’s young and hasn’t played much defense the last few years. Wasn’t there a minor league coach that coached Griffey Jr. among others and said Hiura is a talent similar to that? He’s a cornerstone that we build around, not trade away.

 

Add a guy like Rendon in free agency to pair with Yelich, Hiura, Grisham, Cain, and Braun, we could really have a special offense. Especially if Moose returns and plays some first to allow Rendon to play third, we would have a roster with a very good balance of righties and lefties with some good pop up and down the lineup from both sides. We would feature a lineup that has 3 guys that could realistically finish in the top 10 in MVP voting in Yelich, Rendon, and Hiura.

 

Do you really think the Brewers have the money to get Rendon? He'll get $22-25M and a 4-5 year deal easily. I think he's way to expensive for the Crew. Moustakas is a better option at around $11M per for 3 years, and spend the rest they would have spent on Rendon for pitching or a SS. I'm still not sold on Grisham. He hasn't done much in a short span in the big leagues to be overly enthusiastic about him(.228/.303).

 

Yeah I think they can fit him in. They would have to give out the largest contract in team history by quite a bit, but he’s a young enough player that I think that it would turn out alright. I don’t think he would prevent the Brewers from making other moves as there could be a ton of money off the books this offseason if Stearns decides to go that route.

 

17-18 million a year extra = No Cain.