Where do we go from here?

[wntrtxn21]

If we don’t win the World Series this year then, in my opinion, we need to really go “all in” next year, here’s why:

 

1.) Last year of Yelich. The Brewers have to sell high on their good/great players, which means non-rental, controlled years. Selling high should net 4-5 top prospects.

 

2.) A talented core is there now to win.

 

3.) pitching is ready to blossom into a force.

 

4.) we will have more $ to spend on payroll.

 

Here’s my plan with an opening payroll of 135 million:

 

Rid of:

Shaw Nelson Guerra Arcia Anderson Davies Cain > that saves ~ 45 million, making it ~ 60 mil.

 

First the position players:

C > Grandal (1 yr 20 mil)

1B > Thames

2B > Hiura

SS > Iglesias (1 yr 10 mil)

3B > Donaldson (1 yr 25 mil)

RF > Yelich

CF > Grisham

LF > Braun

 

Utility:

Gamel Spangenberg Freitas (?) (?)

 

Pitching staff:

 

Rotation:

 

Woodruff

Houser

Lyles (8 mil)

Gio(5 mil.)

Burnes

 

Bullpen:

 

Pomeranz (8 mil.)

Suter

Rasmussen

Claudio

Wahl

Peralta

Black

Hader

Knebel

 

Ridiculous bullpen, with a solid rotation. Tremendous offense, that would rival the Astros or Yankee lineup. Better infield D, Worse outfield D. Freitas platoon with Thames is strong, lots of rest for Grandal. This team would be very difficult to beat, with a solid 1-2, great balanced offense, and a bullpen that would be the hardest throwing in baseball history. Might win 117 games.

 

You can't just make Cain's salary disappear. I also don't think this adds up to $135 even if you can remove Cain, but I am not here to calculate that right now.

 

Payroll going into next year ~ 105 million. Including every tendered contract. Shaw ~ 5, Davies ~ 5, Arcia ~ 3, Guerra ~2, Anderson 8.5, Cain 17 Nelson ~ 5 = 45.

 

Eat 9 million on Cain then to rid. Payroll now at 144. Which is basically the same as this year profit wise with the 2 tv increases, local and National. Funny how that worked out.

 

I’d be disappointed if this team didn’t win the World Series.

 

Donaldson has said numerous times he wants a multi-year contract and the Braves are already talking to him about multiple years. Better money spent if Stearns re-signs Moustakas at somewhere around 3 for $33M. Grandal for somewhere around 3 for $46M. Guerra is already making OVER $2M and is arby eligible. You see what CC thinks of Freitas. He will not make the team coming out of spring training. IF Grandal re-signs, Pina will be the backup catcher. Burnes has been so bad he will start the season in AAA and Rasmussen will be there too as a starting pitcher. Gio is washed-up and I doubt Stearns wants a 4 inning starter.

[Brew crew 92]

 

You can't just make Cain's salary disappear. I also don't think this adds up to $135 even if you can remove Cain, but I am not here to calculate that right now.

 

You can when you employ video game economics. It has been explained in countless threads now how and why it would be nearly impossible for the Brewers to get out form under Cain's deal without having to eat a bunch of it or taking on a matching bad contract (think Johnny Cueto's) in return. But BC92 refuses to acknowledge this, instead believing that there is a team out there who will gladly take on the remaining 3 years of a aging, declining player's contract, while probably thinking they will provide something of value to the Brewers as well. That's just not the way baseball economics currently work. 15 years ago you might have been able to find an idiot GM that would play that game. Not today. Cain wouldn't recoup value unless he started out like gangbusters next year, and proved that this year was an outlier. But then the Brewers would probably just keep him.

 

Also, BC92 continues to beat on the idea that Yelich will be dealt after the 2020 season. That's a whole different argument, but it likely has a below 0% chance of happening I imagine.

 

Not everyone.

JosephC seemed to think he could possibly be moved without sending back $. But ok, send 9-15 million with him if needed, and add that to this year’s payroll to make it 144-150.

 

If Stearns is as smart as I hope he is, he’ll sell as high as possible on Yelich. Prospects compounded between control vs Rental. The tribe sold Bauer, it takes guts, but it’s the smart play.

[Brew crew 92]

Hey if that could all happen, great. Even still I don't think you could consider it WS favorite with juggernauts like LAD, Houston, NYY in place. As much as that's a good team, the starting P is still lacking compared to top teams, and don't forget the September advantage thing is gone next year. But to your point, yes your fairy tail world this is a good team. Especially if they catch some breaks on SP as opposed to mostly bad breaks this year.

 

One thing I'd right away say won't happen is Donaldson taking a 1 year deal after he proved it this year. He took a 'prove it' deal this year in order to lock in a legit contract this offseason. With how well he's played I can't imagine he won't get a 2-3 year deal, it's not like he's 36 years old yet. Also can't imagine someone including Cincy won't top 1/10 for Iglesias. Of course same goes for GRandal, without the draft pick attached now and off a great year (in spite of you hating him 3 weeks ago) I'm sure he'll have a goal of locking in multi years. Still, I don't know why you're not advocating for Freitas at 500K instead.

 

Cain, agree we don't get out of without paying. And in case you're not noticing Cain is generally playing fine and hitting well of late, consistently hitting the ball hard and is getting fine results from it too. He's basically been fine since the ASBish time when he got the thumb treatment and days off. All signs point to him being fine next year, though of course he's an injury prone guy. Plus it would leave you very thin at OF and you're starting an unproven CF while you're 'going all in'. But just in general with injuries and Braun's resting you need to plan on at least 4 guys on a rotation. Gamel isn't the worst of course as the 4th, buuut I feel like that's a perfect role for Grisham to step into next year. He'll get a ton of starts and ABs. Possibly he'll take a job due to great play but at the very least you know what you have for 2021 post Braun.

 

Quick things I'd guess. Shaw is gone. Moose is back. So to address the LHP issue with him and Thames and having the 26th roster spot. A focus on RH backup at both spots would be a great addition in some way. Being the Brewers have to look at frugal options, guys like Todd Frazier, something like that. They'll do their best to keep Grandal but I'm skeptical they do. If not I'd assume they go cheap there with Pina and then cycling through Nottingham/Freitas as injuries happen. I'd guess some kind of vet innings eater type P with some kind of track record who's not too expensive, really that just might end up being Gio but maybe someone in that same kind of Chacin vein when they got him.

 

Oh, yes I agree that Yeli won't be traded after next year. They'll also view 2021 as a go for it yet. Possibly look at trading him that deadline if the team flops. So they'd view it as two more years to go for it and plan accordingly. If he doesn't go at that deadline, yea that offseason you probably just have to trade him to try and build longer term.

 

Then Frazier instead of moose or Donaldson. Up the offer to Iglesias. Sign Grandal to a 1 yr > 22 or 2 > 36 or 3 > 51. Whichever. And put the Donaldson savings (18 mil) in a FA starter.

 

Our bullpen next year if we sign up Pomeranz is sic, 4 lefties 5 righties, 4 or 5 headed monster after the all-star break, with Knebel stronger, and the rest.

[tmwiese55]

Well no way I'd want Frazier starting. I mean as the backup to Moose/Thames. Basically just plan a RH backup at those spots, who could also play some LF if needed. Note, I'd actually prefer someone a bit more contact oriented than Frazier as he's quite boom/bust like we all feel like we have too many guys off. Just that level guy at those positions in general. I don't know of a better example other than Frazier and don't wanna dig who could be better.

 

I just know you're going to assume Knebel is as good as he was immediately after TJ surgery, I'd expect nothing less.

[Brew crew 92]

Well no way I'd want Frazier starting. I mean as the backup to Moose/Thames. Basically just plan a RH backup at those spots, who could also play some LF if needed.

 

I just know you're going to assume Knebel is as good as he was immediately after TJ surgery, I'd expect nothing less.

 

15 1/2 months after surgery, yes, I expect him to be as good as before. But if not, it’s still an unbelievably strong pen.

[clancyphile]

Hey if that could all happen, great. Even still I don't think you could consider it WS favorite with juggernauts like LAD, Houston, NYY in place. As much as that's a good team, the starting P is still lacking compared to top teams, and don't forget the September advantage thing is gone next year. But to your point, yes your fairy tail world this is a good team. Especially if they catch some breaks on SP as opposed to mostly bad breaks this year.

 

One thing I'd right away say won't happen is Donaldson taking a 1 year deal after he proved it this year. He took a 'prove it' deal this year in order to lock in a legit contract this offseason. With how well he's played I can't imagine he won't get a 2-3 year deal, it's not like he's 36 years old yet. Also can't imagine someone including Cincy won't top 1/10 for Iglesias. Of course same goes for GRandal, without the draft pick attached now and off a great year (in spite of you hating him 3 weeks ago) I'm sure he'll have a goal of locking in multi years. Still, I don't know why you're not advocating for Freitas at 500K instead.

 

Cain, agree we don't get out of without paying. And in case you're not noticing Cain is generally playing fine and hitting well of late, consistently hitting the ball hard and is getting fine results from it too. He's basically been fine since the ASBish time when he got the thumb treatment and days off. All signs point to him being fine next year, though of course he's an injury prone guy. Plus it would leave you very thin at OF and you're starting an unproven CF while you're 'going all in'. But just in general with injuries and Braun's resting you need to plan on at least 4 guys on a rotation. Gamel isn't the worst of course as the 4th, buuut I feel like that's a perfect role for Grisham to step into next year. He'll get a ton of starts and ABs. Possibly he'll take a job due to great play but at the very least you know what you have for 2021 post Braun.

 

Quick things I'd guess. Shaw is gone. Moose is back. So to address the LHP issue with him and Thames and having the 26th roster spot. A focus on RH backup at both spots would be a great addition in some way. Being the Brewers have to look at frugal options, guys like Todd Frazier, something like that. They'll do their best to keep Grandal but I'm skeptical they do. If not I'd assume they go cheap there with Pina and then cycling through Nottingham/Freitas as injuries happen. I'd guess some kind of vet innings eater type P with some kind of track record who's not too expensive, really that just might end up being Gio but maybe someone in that same kind of Chacin vein when they got him.

 

Oh, yes I agree that Yeli won't be traded after next year. They'll also view 2021 as a go for it yet. Possibly look at trading him that deadline if the team flops. So they'd view it as two more years to go for it and plan accordingly. If he doesn't go at that deadline, yea that offseason you probably just have to trade him to try and build longer term.

 

Unless Yelich extends with the Crew... and he may well do that. That is a question for after 2020.

 

After this year, the moves are obvious:

Keep Moose, Grandal, Gio, Pomeranz, and Lyles.

 

DFA Saladino, Freitas, Austin, Jay Jackson, and Taylor Williams.

 

Trade Ben Gamel and Arcia for prospects.

 

Shaw gets spring training to get it together, but he is on a short leash. He'll back up 3B, 2B, 1B, LF, RF.

[wntrtxn21]

Hey if that could all happen, great. Even still I don't think you could consider it WS favorite with juggernauts like LAD, Houston, NYY in place. As much as that's a good team, the starting P is still lacking compared to top teams, and don't forget the September advantage thing is gone next year. But to your point, yes your fairy tail world this is a good team. Especially if they catch some breaks on SP as opposed to mostly bad breaks this year.

 

One thing I'd right away say won't happen is Donaldson taking a 1 year deal after he proved it this year. He took a 'prove it' deal this year in order to lock in a legit contract this offseason. With how well he's played I can't imagine he won't get a 2-3 year deal, it's not like he's 36 years old yet. Also can't imagine someone including Cincy won't top 1/10 for Iglesias. Of course same goes for GRandal, without the draft pick attached now and off a great year (in spite of you hating him 3 weeks ago) I'm sure he'll have a goal of locking in multi years. Still, I don't know why you're not advocating for Freitas at 500K instead.

 

Cain, agree we don't get out of without paying. And in case you're not noticing Cain is generally playing fine and hitting well of late, consistently hitting the ball hard and is getting fine results from it too. He's basically been fine since the ASBish time when he got the thumb treatment and days off. All signs point to him being fine next year, though of course he's an injury prone guy. Plus it would leave you very thin at OF and you're starting an unproven CF while you're 'going all in'. But just in general with injuries and Braun's resting you need to plan on at least 4 guys on a rotation. Gamel isn't the worst of course as the 4th, buuut I feel like that's a perfect role for Grisham to step into next year. He'll get a ton of starts and ABs. Possibly he'll take a job due to great play but at the very least you know what you have for 2021 post Braun.

 

Quick things I'd guess. Shaw is gone. Moose is back. So to address the LHP issue with him and Thames and having the 26th roster spot. A focus on RH backup at both spots would be a great addition in some way. Being the Brewers have to look at frugal options, guys like Todd Frazier, something like that. They'll do their best to keep Grandal but I'm skeptical they do. If not I'd assume they go cheap there with Pina and then cycling through Nottingham/Freitas as injuries happen. I'd guess some kind of vet innings eater type P with some kind of track record who's not too expensive, really that just might end up being Gio but maybe someone in that same kind of Chacin vein when they got him.

 

Oh, yes I agree that Yeli won't be traded after next year. They'll also view 2021 as a go for it yet. Possibly look at trading him that deadline if the team flops. So they'd view it as two more years to go for it and plan accordingly. If he doesn't go at that deadline, yea that offseason you probably just have to trade him to try and build longer term.

 

Unless Yelich extends with the Crew... and he may well do that. That is a question for after 2020.

 

After this year, the moves are obvious:

Keep Moose, Grandal, Gio, Pomeranz, and Lyles.

 

DFA Saladino, Freitas, Austin, Jay Jackson, and Taylor Williams.

 

Trade Ben Gamel and Arcia for prospects.

 

Shaw gets spring training to get it together, but he is on a short leash. He'll back up 3B, 2B, 1B, LF, RF.

 

Who plays SS if Arcia is traded? He won't bring much for prospects and Gamel won't bring anything. I like your keepers except Gio. He's all but washed-up and of little value. Anderson has also become a 4 inning pitcher. Stearns needs to find some pitching in the off season. Any combination of Davies, Anderson, Shaw, Ray, Supak, Nelson, Peralta, and Burnes can be used in a trade to get somebody decent.

[Ennder]

Melvin left in 2016. The 30th ranked system is all on Stearns. Great pick in Hiura no doubt. Trading away draft picks for dubious player and an overpriced FA is silly. The rest of the picks are guys who so far haven’t panned out. Maybe guys like Lutz will turn exit velocity into performance and Burnes will figure out what is happening to him.

 

There is no denying the farm is in bad shape now and that’s squarely on our GM who hasn’t exactly killed it building the 2019 team either.

 

Melvin left a team that was likely a 100 loss team with a below average farm system. What Stearns did over the past 3 years is a miracle. We should be going on our 3rd straight year of 90+losses at this point instead of almost going to a world series and being in the hunt for a playoff. We should be the 2019 Orioles but we are competing for a playoff because of the GM.

 

This is one of those head scratchers for me. With a bad GM this team is one of the worst in baseball over the past 3 years and still has a bad farm system. There is no objective method that suggest Stearns has done a bad job, it makes no sense at all. When he took over most of us thought the team was going into a 6 or 7 year rebuild and he did it in 2 years.

[Pugger]

 

Unless Yelich extends with the Crew... and he may well do that. That is a question for after 2020.

 

After this year, the moves are obvious:

Keep Moose, Grandal, Gio, Pomeranz, and Lyles.

 

DFA Saladino, Freitas, Austin, Jay Jackson, and Taylor Williams.

 

Trade Ben Gamel and Arcia for prospects.

 

Shaw gets spring training to get it together, but he is on a short leash. He'll back up 3B, 2B, 1B, LF, RF.

 

This is probably closer to what will happen than the other scenarios in this thread but I hope we keep Gamel. Who would start at SS? I like Arcia in the field but not his bat.

[Jopal78]

Melvin left in 2016. The 30th ranked system is all on Stearns. Great pick in Hiura no doubt. Trading away draft picks for dubious player and an overpriced FA is silly. The rest of the picks are guys who so far haven’t panned out. Maybe guys like Lutz will turn exit velocity into performance and Burnes will figure out what is happening to him.

 

There is no denying the farm is in bad shape now and that’s squarely on our GM who hasn’t exactly killed it building the 2019 team either.

 

Melvin left a team that was likely a 100 loss team with a below average farm system. What Stearns did over the past 3 years is a miracle. We should be going on our 3rd straight year of 90+losses at this point instead of almost going to a world series and being in the hunt for a playoff. We should be the 2019 Orioles but we are competing for a playoff because of the GM.

 

This is one of those head scratchers for me. With a bad GM this team is one of the worst in baseball over the past 3 years and still has a bad farm system. There is no objective method that suggest Stearns has done a bad job, it makes no sense at all. When he took over most of us thought the team was going into a 6 or 7 year rebuild and he did it in 2 years.

 

 

I’m not so sure Melvin left the cupboards as bare as initially thought: Suter, Woodruff, Grisham were Melvin draft picks. Hader and Houser were minor leaguers acquires by Melvin. Plus Devin Williams saw time at the majors year.

[Brew crew 92]

If we don’t win the World Series this year then, in my opinion, we need to really go “all in” next year, here’s why:

 

1.) Last year of Yelich. The Brewers have to sell high on their good/great players, which means non-rental, controlled years. Selling high should net 4-5 top prospects.

 

2.) A talented core is there now to win.

 

3.) pitching is ready to blossom into a force.

 

4.) we will have more $ to spend on payroll.

 

Here’s my plan with an opening payroll of 148 million:

 

Rid of:

Shaw Nelson Guerra Arcia Anderson Davies Cain > that saves ~ 45 million, making it ~ 60 mil.

 

First the position players:

C > Grandal (3 at 48 mil)

1B > Thames

2B > Hiura

SS > Iglesias (2 at 20 mil)

3B > Moose (3 at 33 mil)

RF > Yelich

CF > Grisham

LF > Braun

 

Utility:

Gamel Spangenberg Freitas Pina (?)

 

Pitching staff:

 

Rotation:

Cole (7 at 210)

Woodruff

Houser

Lyles (8 mil)

Burnes

 

Bullpen:

 

Pomeranz (8 mil.)

Suter

Rasmussen

Claudio

Wahl

Peralta

Black

Hader

Knebel

 

Ridiculous bullpen, with a great 1-2-3 in the rotation. Solid offense. Better infield D, Worse outfield D. Freitas platoon with Thames is strong, lots of rest for Grandal. This team would be very difficult to beat, with a solid 1-2-3, good balanced offense, and a bullpen that would be the hardest throwing in baseball history. Definitely at title contender.

 

To get rid of Cain might have to pay 9-12 million. Add that to this year’s payroll 160 million.

 

 

After reading the critiques of my original plan, I made changes. And Mark Attanasio approves, Because he truly does want to go all in, for Yelich, Selig, Uecker, and the long suffering fans of MKE. But only for 1-2 years, then a reduced payroll.

[clancyphile]

 

Unless Yelich extends with the Crew... and he may well do that. That is a question for after 2020.

 

After this year, the moves are obvious:

Keep Moose, Grandal, Gio, Pomeranz, and Lyles.

 

DFA Saladino, Freitas, Austin, Jay Jackson, and Taylor Williams.

 

Trade Ben Gamel and Arcia for prospects.

 

Shaw gets spring training to get it together, but he is on a short leash. He'll back up 3B, 2B, 1B, LF, RF.

 

This is probably closer to what will happen than the other scenarios in this thread but I hope we keep Gamel. Who would start at SS? I like Arcia in the field but not his bat.

 

Internally? Spangenberg, Moose, Perez, and Hinujosa could be options. Plus, there is the waiver wire, trades, or free agency.

[brewmann04]

I know we should not be talking about FA at this point especially with the Knuchel and Kimbrell stuff.but i think the Brewers need to make a full press on Cole

[PeaveyFury]

 

Unless Yelich extends with the Crew... and he may well do that. That is a question for after 2020.

 

After this year, the moves are obvious:

Keep Moose, Grandal, Gio, Pomeranz, and Lyles.

 

DFA Saladino, Freitas, Austin, Jay Jackson, and Taylor Williams.

 

Trade Ben Gamel and Arcia for prospects.

 

Shaw gets spring training to get it together, but he is on a short leash. He'll back up 3B, 2B, 1B, LF, RF.

 

This is probably closer to what will happen than the other scenarios in this thread but I hope we keep Gamel. Who would start at SS? I like Arcia in the field but not his bat.

 

Internally? Spangenberg, Moose, Perez, and Hinujosa could be options. Plus, there is the waiver wire, trades, or free agency.

 

He probably should have indicated that he was asking about VIABLE options.

[jjfanec]

Grandal's stats the last month make him a guy I really want to sign. He has started 24 of 28 games with an OPS of nearly 1.000. That is insane for a catcher. He works the count so well and has power. Even with his rough months he 2nd in home runs for catchers, 1st in walks by almost double, and 2nd in OPS. He may not be the best defensive catcher but people were talking about staff era as an indication he might not call a good game but the staff has been pretty solid with him starting a lot lately.

[clancyphile]

Grandal's stats the last month make him a guy I really want to sign. He has started 24 of 28 games with an OPS of nearly 1.000. That is insane for a catcher. He works the count so well and has power. Even with his rough months he 2nd in home runs for catchers, 1st in walks by almost double, and 2nd in OPS. He may not be the best defensive catcher but people were talking about staff era as an indication he might not call a good game but the staff has been pretty solid with him starting a lot lately.

 

I agree, it's a no-brainer to extend Grandal. You just can't get the type of offensive production he provides at catcher with any predictability. Should Feliciano/Fry force the issue, he can move to first.

[long ball]

Grandal's stats the last month make him a guy I really want to sign. He has started 24 of 28 games with an OPS of nearly 1.000. That is insane for a catcher. He works the count so well and has power. Even with his rough months he 2nd in home runs for catchers, 1st in walks by almost double, and 2nd in OPS. He may not be the best defensive catcher but people were talking about staff era as an indication he might not call a good game but the staff has been pretty solid with him starting a lot lately.

 

I was nervous about the dreaded Grandal cold streaks, but what i realized is his ability to draw walks leaves him with a useful floor. During July and August when his power was basically gone he still put up ~.370 obp.

[pacopete4]

Yes but an empty .370obp and we should have been starting Freitas!

[Brew crew 92]

This is my plan for next year

 

Non-tender or trade:

Shaw Perez

 

Lineup:

LF > Grisham

RF > Yelich

2B > Hiura

3B > Moose(11mil)

1B > Braun/Thames

CF > Cain

C > Pina

SS > Iglesias(8mil)

 

Bench:

Braun/Thames Freitas Gamel Spangenberg Arcia

 

Rotation:

 

Woodruff

Houser

Lyles (9 mil)

Anderson

Davies

Gio (6 mil)

 

Bullpen:

 

Hader

Pomeranz (9 mil)

Knebel

Peralta

Black

Wahl

Suter

Jackson

 

Payroll > 127 million ~ same as last year.

 

Outside of Cole and Strasburg, FA pitchers meh. So I keep Anderson and sign Gio.

 

** re-made my team because of a MISTAKE/ERROR I MADE > National tv $ is 21.6 million per team extra, but DOESN’T START UNTIL 2022. I said previously 9 million in 20 and 8-9 more in 21. So I was off on the starting date and underestimated the $. The local tv deal should increase for next year and hopefully the team will have 2019 playoff revenue. **

 

** April 2019 Forbes Article **

[clancyphile]

I'm wondering if the Crew shouldn't do a little due diligence to see if they can't get Josh Bell to play first base.

 

Send Pittsburgh a package along the lines of Thames, Eduardo Garcia, Corey Ray/Tristan Lutz, Alec Bettinger, and Payton Henry for Bell. Maybe even expand the package to toss in Davies for minor-league 1B Martin Mason.

 

Get a lineup of:

cf: Cain/Grisham

2b: Hiura

rf: Yelich/Grisham

1b: Bell

3b: Moustakas

c: Grandal

lf: Braun/Grisham

ss: Arcia

Pitcher

[Pugger]

I'm wondering if the Crew shouldn't do a little due diligence to see if they can't get Josh Bell to play first base.

 

Send Pittsburgh a package along the lines of Thames, Eduardo Garcia, Corey Ray/Tristan Lutz, Alec Bettinger, and Payton Henry for Bell. Maybe even expand the package to toss in Davies for minor-league 1B Martin Mason.

 

Get a lineup of:

cf: Cain/Grisham

2b: Hiura

rf: Yelich/Grisham

1b: Bell

3b: Moustakas

c: Grandal

lf: Braun/Grisham

ss: Arcia

Pitcher

 

If indeed the Bucs want to move on from Bell will these players you are offering be enticing enough?

[Brew crew 92]

I'm wondering if the Crew shouldn't do a little due diligence to see if they can't get Josh Bell to play first base.

 

Send Pittsburgh a package along the lines of Thames, Eduardo Garcia, Corey Ray/Tristan Lutz, Alec Bettinger, and Payton Henry for Bell. Maybe even expand the package to toss in Davies for minor-league 1B Martin Mason.

 

Get a lineup of:

cf: Cain/Grisham

2b: Hiura

rf: Yelich/Grisham

1b: Bell

3b: Moustakas

c: Grandal

lf: Braun/Grisham

ss: Arcia

Pitcher

 

I believe Neil Huntington is gone after this year, and the new GM will tank next year so, with that said, Bell will be available, and the pirates will want the best prospects they can get. No way they want Thames or Davies. My package would be Lutz & Ray & Rasmussen & Henry.

[wntrtxn21]

This is my plan for next year

 

Non-tender or trade:

Shaw Perez Cain

 

Lineup:

CF > Grisham

RF > Yelich

2B > Hiura

3B > Moose(11mil)

C. > Grandal(16mil)

LF > Braun

1B > Thames

SS > Iglesias(8mil)

 

Bench:

Pina Freitas Gamel Spangenberg Arcia

 

Rotation:

 

Woodruff

Houser

Lyles (9 mil)

Anderson

Davies

Gio (6 mil)

 

Bullpen:

 

Hader

Pomeranz (9 mil)

Knebel

Peralta

Black

Wahl

Suter

Jackson

 

Payroll > 143 million plus Possible Cain pay down (12 mil) = 155 which still leaves room to add salary at the trade deadline.

 

** 9 mil.national Fox deal for every team added to revenue plus added revenue from new local tv deal this offseason = 15-22 mil extra revenue, plus 8-9 mil in 2021 for espn/turner national for every team. **

 

Outside of Cole and Strasburg, FA pitchers meh. So I keep Anderson and sign Gio.

 

Imo Stearns will not go anywhere close to $155M next year. There is nobody going to take Cain's contract, even with $12 added. He is owed $51M over the next 3 years and nobody would even consider him unless the Brewers paid at least half ($25.5M) his salary to take him. Especially with all the injuries he's had this year and his age. CC won't keep 3 catchers. Freitas will again be in AAA or with yet another team next year. You see how much the Brewers think of Freitas when Pina got hurt. He didn't catch an inning and was used as an early PH only. They have little or no use for him other than a minor league fill-in. $6M for Gio is way too much. He made $2M this year and there is little demand for a 3-4 inning starter. Maybe $3M at best to bring him back. I too think Perez is gone and Shaw will be used as part of a pkg. in a trade. Re-signing Moose is priority 1.

I think you're a little high with Lyle's salary, but Pomeranz could command maybe that much with his showing out of the pen this year.

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Freitas will again be in AAA or with yet another team next year. You see how much the Brewers think of Freitas when Pina got hurt. He didn't catch an inning and was used as an early PH only. They have little or no use for him other than a minor league fill-in.

 

Well, that scenario could change if we don't have Grandal next year.

 

If we lose Grandal, who do we have? Nottingham has yet to show he belongs on the 25 man roster. Freitas might be able to claw his way onto the team, but I'm not holding my breath. He showed us next to nothing in plenty of chances.

 

I really really really really want Grandal back next season, along with Moose.

[Brew crew 92]

This is my plan for next year

 

Non-tender or trade:

Shaw Perez Cain

 

Lineup:

CF > Grisham

RF > Yelich

2B > Hiura

3B > Moose(11mil)

C. > Grandal(16mil)

LF > Braun

1B > Thames

SS > Iglesias(8mil)

 

Bench:

Pina Freitas Gamel Spangenberg Arcia

 

Rotation:

 

Woodruff

Houser

Lyles (9 mil)

Anderson

Davies

Gio (6 mil)

 

Bullpen:

 

Hader

Pomeranz (9 mil)

Knebel

Peralta

Black

Wahl

Suter

Jackson

 

Payroll > 143 million plus Possible Cain pay down (12 mil) = 155 which still leaves room to add salary at the trade deadline.

 

** 9 mil.national Fox deal for every team added to revenue plus added revenue from new local tv deal this offseason = 15-22 mil extra revenue, plus 8-9 mil in 2021 for espn/turner national for every team. **

 

Outside of Cole and Strasburg, FA pitchers meh. So I keep Anderson and sign Gio.

 

Imo Stearns will not go anywhere close to $155M next year. There is nobody going to take Cain's contract, even with $12 added. He is owed $51M over the next 3 years and nobody would even consider him unless the Brewers paid at least half ($25.5M) his salary to take him. Especially with all the injuries he's had this year and his age. CC won't keep 3 catchers. Freitas will again be in AAA or with yet another team next year. You see how much the Brewers think of Freitas when Pina got hurt. He didn't catch an inning and was used as an early PH only. They have little or no use for him other than a minor league fill-in. $6M for Gio is way too much. He made $2M this year and there is little demand for a 3-4 inning starter. Maybe $3M at best to bring him back. I too think Perez is gone and Shaw will be used as part of a pkg. in a trade. Re-signing Moose is priority 1.

I think you're a little high with Lyle's salary, but Pomeranz could command maybe that much with his showing out of the pen this year.

 

Firstly, this year’s 127, with inflation & ~ 19 added(tv)= 148-150 giving close to the same profit to Atanassio & investors as this year. Not including a possible playoff run again 1-20 million in extra revenue. So if we’re to go for it again next year with Yelich aboard > why wouldn’t we at least equal this last year’s payroll, relative to the clubs extra revenue?

 

Secondly, if we keep Cain, that’s fine, maybe he can re-coup a little offensively, without defensive regression? I doubt it. But ok, let’s keep him and hope his knee and thumb are fixed. Add 5 mil to the payroll, all we got to do is win a couple of playoff games to pay for that. And if we lose the wild card game, oh well, it’s just 5 million. Not much if you consider this team would more than likely make a deep run, adding another 10-20 million in revenue.

 

Yeah, Freitas was injured, rib-cage, imo, that’s why we’re not seeing him at all in the field at 1B or C. I could be wrong, but, that injury is not good for a C. I’d want him on the 26, to be the RH C or 1B vs Lefties.

 

For 160 million, this team would dominate the central, vast improvement from the reds, notwithstanding, and definitely get deep into the playoffs, again, paying itself for the payroll.