Shortstop for 2020

[balsamlaker]

Should Arcia be given another shot or should the Brewers move on? Is he much different than Alcides who was traded at an even younger age? Would it make sense for the Brewers to sign someone like Iglesius (Reds) next year to hopefully bridge the gap until Turang hopefully takes over?

[Brew crew 92]

Should Arcia be given another shot or should the Brewers move on? Is he much different than Alcides who was traded at an even younger age? Would it make sense for the Brewers to sign someone like Iglesius (Reds) next year to hopefully bridge the gap until Turang hopefully takes over?

 

Yes, if they want to win next year. Arcia is the worst hitter I’ve ever seen play this many games for the brewers. Bye Bye.

 

Jose Iglesias is the perfect SS for this team. .293 hitter and the best 2 strike hitter in all of baseball with GG caliber defense. Would be a great signing.

 

Stearns could have had Galvis at the deadline for salary. 1.8 million this year with club option 5.5 million and 1 million buyout. It would have been a nice upgrade for the rest of this year, with a fair option on him next year.

 

Really wondering why he’s not here playing SS? Is it the money? He’s definitely an upgrade, but then who wouldn’t be?

[MrTPlush]

The only way Arcia is the SS is if they spend money and prospects on other positions and by default we stick with Arcia. Though if Arcia is arby eligible next year he isn’t exactly priceless anymore.

[TURBO]

Should Arcia be given another shot or should the Brewers move on? Is he much different than Alcides who was traded at an even younger age? Would it make sense for the Brewers to sign someone like Iglesius (Reds) next year to hopefully bridge the gap until Turang hopefully takes over?

 

Yes, if they want to win next year. Arcia is the worst hitter I’ve ever seen play this many games for the brewers. Bye Bye.

 

Jose Iglesias is the perfect SS for this team. .293 hitter and the best 2 strike hitter in all of baseball with GG caliber defense. Would be a great signing.

 

Stearns could have had Galvis at the deadline for salary. 1.8 million this year with club option 5.5 million and 1 million buyout. It would have been a nice upgrade for the rest of this year, with a fair option on him next year.

 

Really wondering why he’s not here playing SS? Is it the money? He’s definitely an upgrade, but then who wouldn’t be?

 

You keep banging this Galvis drum, but my question is this: Had we claimed him, would it have mattered since the Reds had a higher waiver claim than us?

 

You can cry and whine all you want, but I think the Reds were ahead of us, so we didn't have a shot at him anyway.

 

Unless I am wrong about the waiver order.

[adambr2]

No, you are right about the waiver order, but I think his point was (and I agree), that Galvis could have been acquired at the deadline prior to him being waived for next to nothing.

 

The kicker on it is that Galvis has a very modest 5.5M option for 2020 which would have given us a very adequate stopgap if we chose to move on from Arcia.

[Brew crew 92]

No, you are right about the waiver order, but I think his point was (and I agree), that Galvis could have been acquired at the deadline prior to him being waived for next to nothing.

 

Correct.

But my question is > is it Stearns or is it Attanasio?

[Brew crew 92]

Should Arcia be given another shot or should the Brewers move on? Is he much different than Alcides who was traded at an even younger age? Would it make sense for the Brewers to sign someone like Iglesius (Reds) next year to hopefully bridge the gap until Turang hopefully takes over?

 

Yes, if they want to win next year. Arcia is the worst hitter I’ve ever seen play this many games for the brewers. Bye Bye.

 

Jose Iglesias is the perfect SS for this team. .293 hitter and the best 2 strike hitter in all of baseball with GG caliber defense. Would be a great signing.

 

Stearns could have had Galvis at the deadline for salary. 1.8 million this year with club option 5.5 million and 1 million buyout. It would have been a nice upgrade for the rest of this year, with a fair option on him next year.

 

Really wondering why he’s not here playing SS? Is it the money? He’s definitely an upgrade, but then who wouldn’t be?

 

You keep banging this Galvis drum, but my question is this: Had we claimed him, would it have mattered since the Reds had a higher waiver claim than us?

 

You can cry and whine all you want, but I think the Reds were ahead of us, so we didn't have a shot at him anyway.

 

Unless I am wrong about the waiver order.

 

Cry and whine? Adam gives the correct response.

 

Imo, more people need to “cry and whine” about what’s going on with this team, I can’t wait another 50 years to win the series. I’m dead.

[pacopete4]

[sarcasm]Hope they win the day after.[/sarcasm]

[brooks_quichenick]

I’ve been a big Arcia supporter for awhile now but my patience has worn thin. Ready to move on. The only problem for 2020 is that there’s not much available via free agency that would be an improvement. Iglesias would be a good fit, however he has stated that he wants to come back to Cincinnati. If the Reds bring him back and decline Galvis’s option, we could potentially look at Galvis. Otherwise, Didi Gregorius? Can’t imagine he’d be cheap enough to fit into Mark’s budget and I could see him sticking with the Yankees anyways. Plus, we’re so left-handed dominant I don’t know if adding another one (albeit a good one) is a great idea for lineup balancing. Other than those 3 options, there’s not much out there that would qualify as an improvement.

[Austin Tatious]

Arcia is a talented kid but he needs to grow up. If he has a focused and productive offseason, he can come back and be productive. He’s got all the tools you need.

[Brew crew 92]

I’ve been a big Arcia supporter for awhile now but my patience has worn thin. Ready to move on. The only problem for 2020 is that there’s not much available via free agency that would be an improvement. Iglesias would be a good fit, however he has stated that he wants to come back to Cincinnati. If the Reds bring him back and decline Galvis’s option, we could potentially look at Galvis. Otherwise, Didi Gregorius? Can’t imagine he’d be cheap enough to fit into Mark’s budget and I could see him sticking with the Yankees anyways. Plus, we’re so left-handed dominant I don’t know if adding another one (albeit a good one) is a great idea for lineup balancing. Other than those 3 options, there’s not much out there that would qualify as an improvement.

 

Iglesias did state he wanted to return, but the money that he will command I’m not sure the reds can pay. Their payroll right now is 130 million then add Bauer for next year at ~ 20 million and that bumps it up to 150. Not incl some Arby’s ^. That’s why the Galvis move imo, which at 5.5 will still add even more to the 150. If their payroll approaches 160, with their revenue stream 10-15 million LESS than MKE, then WHAT ‘S UP WITH THAT?

[adambr2]

Arcia is a talented kid but he needs to grow up. If he has a focused and productive offseason, he can come back and be productive. He’s got all the tools you need.

 

Been hearing that every offseason since '16-'17. He probably just is who he is.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Arcia is a talented kid but he needs to grow up. If he has a focused and productive offseason, he can come back and be productive. He’s got all the tools you need.

 

Been hearing that every offseason since '16-'17. He probably just is who he is.

 

I see Arcia fairly often characterized as immature, or "needs to grow up" or things like this. Is it because he smiles and laughs a bit while he's playing?

 

It would be one thing if people said "he needs to change his approach at the plate", because that's something I think we can all agree on. I don't get where this other stuff comes from.

[Austin Tatious]

No, because he’s not committing himself to improving in the offseason and has bouts of focus problems.

 

He’s also got essentially the same body he had three years ago. This is the time where he should be physically maturing.

 

When Robin Yount came up, he was predictably scrawny. He’d come back after every offseason more and more ripped and improved his approach.

 

Arcia is not making progress and if anything has bouts of regression. If he spends his offseason working on his craft more, focusing on his approach etc, he has the ability to meet the lofty expectations put on him. This is an athletic, agile guy with good movement skills for a shortstop, a cannon for an arm, and very good quickness in his bat. The results are not commensurate with his tools.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Lots of toolsy guys never become anything more than bad baseball players.

[clancyphile]

Lots of toolsy guys never become anything more than bad baseball players.

 

Others just have one or two good years, then the league figures them out.

[MrTPlush]

The last game I was at I was sitting down the RF line about even with the super shift second RFer. Every single time Arcia came over for the shift he spent time staring into the crowd between every single pitch. One time looking back at the last second to be ready for the pitch. Not sure if he does this all the time or if he does it at SS too...but man it was strange. You got 8 guys focused on the game and one who is waiting for the pitch to be done so he can go back to looking at a pile of nachos or something.

 

Which isn’t to say players don’t stare into the crowd or mess with the crowd between pitches, but Arcia had to keep looking back to make sure he wasn’t missing the pitch and all he was doing it blankly staring at something every single time...and that isn’t exaggerating it.

 

Just an observation. I don’t think his loss of playing time at periods the last two years and Counsell(?) essentially calling him out for his defense is only because of poor play. I think there is more than just playing bad going on that they aren’t exactly thrilled with.

[LouisEly]

All defensive stats are somewhat flawed, but Arcia hasn't committed an error in exactly two months - not since June 18th. That stretch (44 games) is second longest in team history for SS. Obviously it doesn't tell the whole story (range factors, arm strength, etc.), but it measures what a player can control - executing when he should.

 

Teams should always look for opportunities to improve, but keep in mind that the Red Sox won the World Series last year with arguably the worst offensive production in all of MLB at two positions - catcher and 2B. If the Brewers don't improve at SS it isn't the end of the world, so long as they improve in other areas. Baseball is always about the sum of the parts.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

What’s Jose Hernandez or Yuni B up to these days? Hopefully Brice Turang is the real deal and we only need a place holder the next year or two.

[MadThinker88]

What’s Jose Hernandez or Yuni B up to these days? Hopefully Brice Turang is the real deal and we only need a place holder the next year or two.

 

I truly believe Turang is a very good talent but he is currently hitting under .200 in High A Carolina.

I would be surprised if Turang didn't open 2020 in Carolina again before moving onto AA Biloxi once he has some success in High A.

[balsamlaker]

Maybe the Brewers could get a couple of "lottery tickets" for Arcia in the offseason?

[JimH5]

I don't have any evidence to support it--just too lazy to look it up--but I think there is something to a guy needing to move on and start fresh somewhere else.

 

He's been with the organization since he was 16. And even though the Brewers have made changes since his 2011 debut, it's still a lot of the same people and same messages. Arcia might do better with a different team and a different approach.

 

The Brewers could bring him back for one more try, but he's no longer a minimum salary guy, and his production says he probably should be.

 

I'm tired of watching him, and I have to think the stat studying front office is, too.

[MrTPlush]

Maybe the Brewers could get a couple of "lottery tickets" for Arcia in the offseason?

 

He definitely holds a little value for a trash team hoping to strike gold. Could maybe get bullpen help using him if they target big league help.

[Devinep]

They might be stuck with Arcia due to Didi being too $ and the only worthwhile free agent starter out there. A good idea might be to sign Logan Forsythe to platoon with Shaw at 3B assuming moose isn’t resigned. Forsythe can play a little SS too

[MrTPlush]

They might be stuck with Arcia due to Didi being too $ and the only worthwhile free agent starter out there.

 

I am thinking they will get stuck with him by default just because they have so many holes to fill and not a crazy amount of money to do it. I figure the only way they make a change at SS is if they rearrange deck chairs and sign someone with better offense, but not as good defensively. If you are going to get stuck with a black hole offensively no matter what Arcia probably isn't the worst because he really good on defense usually.

 

That being said if they say resign Moustakas, but let Grandal go that is some scary offense on the lower half. Pina/Arcia/Pitcher? Yikes...especially when Thames having a down year isn't exactly a shocking possibility...or Braun/Grisham disappointing.

 

Maybe there is a decent offensive utility guy to pick up incase we really are dying for the offense over defense. Which probably isn't a bad plan when they keep getting sick of Arcia and try to get someone else in there...well news flash Saladino and Co. suck offensively and aren't any better defensively. Thus, we always find our way back to Arcia.