The Brewers would be a great team if they didn't have so many bad players

[FVBrewerFan]

Well, you give up on guys early like Hardy, Segura, Scooter, etc. then Stearns is an idiot too. None of this is an exact science, you see certain things and realize Arcia could become a better hitter for a minimal salary. Yea, there comes a point where you move on but the time to do that isn't as obvious as some people make it sound. It's not like he's been Shaw bad, and he brings his glove to the most important position. He needs to be better, we ll know that, but he isn't close to the biggest problem with this team.

[MrTPlush]

At least the juiced ball gave Arcia a big jump in his stats too, a .666 OPS now instead of last years .576! WOOO!

 

At least he is better than Greinke's career OPS...though only slightly (.599 for Greinke).

 

It is really sad year after year we cannot find something better. The minors are a dead zone too...the best option down there is likely 3+ years away and by then may be washed up.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Well, you give up on guys early like Hardy, Segura, Scooter, etc. then Stearns is an idiot too. None of this is an exact science, you see certain things and realize Arcia could become a better hitter for a minimal salary. Yea, there comes a point where you move on but the time to do that isn't as obvious as some people make it sound. It's not like he's been Shaw bad, and he brings his glove to the most important position. He needs to be better, we ll know that, but he isn't close to the biggest problem with this team.

 

IMO, criticizing the team for not replacing Arcia with a slightly better version is akin to complaining about the steak in the buffet line being too well done on a sinking cruise ship.

[tmwiese55]

Now, of course I'd rather have Galvis than Arcia. But have you really looked at Galvis' career stats? He's basically Arcia, but having a slightly better year for himself, likely aided by the juiced ball. Which is fine, still better than Arcia and more reliable. But to act like it's blasphemy to not acquire a hitter in the similar mold as you're bashing here seems a bit of a stretch. BTW Arcia's K rate is 20% and Galvis is 24%.

 

Because we watch brewer games in person and on tv, 4-5 times each game, we have to watch this horrible hitter flail away, game after game, year after year, the cumulative effect is maddening.

 

Galvis would have put an end to that

 

wow, that's a heck of an argument. Maybe you really should be GM. And after watching Galvis every day you'd be thinking the same thing about him. Seemingly moreso as he seems to flail away even worse than Arcia

[Brew crew 92]

I'd argue that the majority of bad players are part of the pitching staff.

 

At the trade deadline, Stearns went out and acquired four pitchers that, at that time, has the following combined statistics for 2019:

 

ERA = 5.33

WHIP = 1.56

FIP = 5.07

 

If that's what you are adding to improve the pitching staff, then the pitching staff is terrible.

 

The pitching has been worse than I thought it would be, yes. But 2 things have compounded the pitching to make it worse than it should be. Injuries have hurt the rotation, especially Woodruff’s, taking him out for 2 months has taken some wind out of the sails. And this offenses ability to keep far too many games close, with the staff throwing far too many stressful innings has hurt this staff.

 

I don’t mind the trades he made at the deadline, it’s the one he didn’t make that adds to the poor decision making that gives me pause, that he’s the right leader for this team.

 

Galvis for 1.8 million salary this year could have been had to replace Arcia. Imo, a no brainer.

 

Pitching is worse mostly due to the fact Burnes/Peralta both failed miserably. You agreed, in fact loved, Stearns decision to go with the 3 young starters. But he shouldn't be fired for that decision, he should be fired for the horrific decision not to sign a mediocre SS. Got it.

 

I never said he should be fired, except if Hiura not offered 8 year extension. Going into this year I was enamored with Stearns. To the point of thinking Attanasio had hired the best GM in the game. It has been a terrible year for both Stearns and Counsell, to the point of whether or not they should lead this team. Actually, if I could fire the owner, and replace him with an owner from Wisconsin that is a real life long brewer fan, that doesn’t have to answer to investors yearly, to make a predetermined profit each and every year, no matter the circumstances, instead of a year or 2 forgoing said yearly profit, with 125 million ONE YEAR increase in franchise value being enough “profit” for 1 year with team having gone 50 years titleless already. But of course that dream is not reality, so imo, we need an architect that is massively forward thinking, the opposite of risk averse(example > Dick Williams). Thought coming into this year we had that GM, now I’m not so sure.

[Brew crew 92]

Arcia hasn't been good this year offensively, no doubt. But saying that Freddy Galvis is a "leaps and bounds" better option is an empty "grass is always greener" argument. We saw the same thing earlier this year with Justin Smoak when Aguilar and Thames were struggling. I'm not under any sort of delusion that this team is fine or doesn't have problems. But advocating for replacing our underperforming players with someone else's more expensive, but still underperforming players is a typical fan fallacy that I'm personally happy our team leadership doesn't fall into.

 

1.8 million not what I would call expensive, especially to not have to see Arcia flail away anymore, I’d call that the best value in all of sports.

[tmwiese55]

To flip that much after a half season on your viewpoint is exactly how organizations should not be run if you care about long term forward thinking and all that. You have to give time and not have constant turmoil. The worse teams in all sports are the ones that change management every year or two.

 

For his job, think of this simply. If you'd have been told when the rebuild started in 2015 that by 2017 they'd be a game out of the playoffs, by 2018 a game from the WS and that in 2019 in competition for the playoffs with 5-6 weeks left would that be a successful management job? Oh, while having acquired an MVP on a cheap contract. But I suppose weigh that again not acquiring Freddy Galvis, and yea it's debatable.

 

Note again, even with Galvis' having his 'career year' he's still flailing more than Arcia, who is not good. But yes, at least it's a new person to watch flail, so definitely a big deal.

[Brew crew 92]

Well, you give up on guys early like Hardy, Segura, Scooter, etc. then Stearns is an idiot too. None of this is an exact science, you see certain things and realize Arcia could become a better hitter for a minimal salary. Yea, there comes a point where you move on but the time to do that isn't as obvious as some people make it sound. It's not like he's been Shaw bad, and he brings his glove to the most important position. He needs to be better, we ll know that, but he isn't close to the biggest problem with this team.

 

Counsell doesn’t think he brings his glove, and neither do the defensive metrics, although to my eyes, he has been better this 2nd half defensively.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Arcia hasn't been good this year offensively, no doubt. But saying that Freddy Galvis is a "leaps and bounds" better option is an empty "grass is always greener" argument. We saw the same thing earlier this year with Justin Smoak when Aguilar and Thames were struggling. I'm not under any sort of delusion that this team is fine or doesn't have problems. But advocating for replacing our underperforming players with someone else's more expensive, but still underperforming players is a typical fan fallacy that I'm personally happy our team leadership doesn't fall into.

 

1.8 million not what I would call expensive, especially to not have to see Arcia flail away anymore, I’d call that the best value in all of sports.

 

So you're just ignoring the post that points out that Galvis's K percentage is higher than Arcia's? That's on point.

[trwi7]

Actually, if I could fire the owner, and replace him with an owner from Wisconsin that is a real life long brewer fan, that doesn’t have to answer to investors yearly, to make a predetermined profit each and every year, no matter the circumstances, instead of a year or 2 forgoing said yearly profit, with 125 million ONE YEAR increase in franchise value being enough “profit” for 1 year with team having gone 50 years titleless already.

 

Sounds like you want Bud Selig again.

[yourout]

I think they have serious coaching issues.

I'm not ready to completely write off the youngsters until they have someone else working with them.

[Brew crew 92]

To flip that much after a half season on your viewpoint is exactly how organizations should not be run if you care about long term forward thinking and all that. You have to give time and not have constant turmoil. The worse teams in all sports are the ones that change management every year or two.

 

For his job, think of this simply. If you'd have been told when the rebuild started in 2015 that by 2017 they'd be a game out of the playoffs, by 2018 a game from the WS and that in 2019 in competition for the playoffs with 5-6 weeks left would that be a successful management job? Oh, while having acquired an MVP on a cheap contract. But I suppose weigh that again not acquiring Freddy Galvis, and yea it's debatable.

 

So you think Stearns has had a good year? Hasn’t made an inordinate amount of mistakes, from the early rotation to the horrible pitching shuttle to sending Hiura back down to the imbalance of lefty hitters, to keeping a near .530 hitter vs lefties down all year. Oh, almost forgot, letting DJ go. If I had more time to think, I could probably come up with more bad decision making. Isn’t that enough?

[Brew crew 92]

Arcia hasn't been good this year offensively, no doubt. But saying that Freddy Galvis is a "leaps and bounds" better option is an empty "grass is always greener" argument. We saw the same thing earlier this year with Justin Smoak when Aguilar and Thames were struggling. I'm not under any sort of delusion that this team is fine or doesn't have problems. But advocating for replacing our underperforming players with someone else's more expensive, but still underperforming players is a typical fan fallacy that I'm personally happy our team leadership doesn't fall into.

 

1.8 million not what I would call expensive, especially to not have to see Arcia flail away anymore, I’d call that the best value in all of sports.

 

 

So you're just ignoring the post that points out that Galvis's K percentage is higher than Arcia's? That's on point.

 

Why is Galvis ‘s war higher?

[tmwiese55]

Actually, if I could fire the owner, and replace him with an owner from Wisconsin that is a real life long brewer fan, that doesn’t have to answer to investors yearly, to make a predetermined profit each and every year, no matter the circumstances, instead of a year or 2 forgoing said yearly profit, with 125 million ONE YEAR increase in franchise value being enough “profit” for 1 year with team having gone 50 years titleless already.

 

Sounds like you want Bud Selig again.

 

Bashing the owner is completely laughable. Took over a joke of a team and has been consistently competing and trying ever since with by far more winning than they had in the 20+ years prior. Are the late 90s/early 00s really that long ago that people forget? You're following and rooting for the smallest market team in baseball, in a sport without a salary cap, and mad we don't spend more money. This is the nature of our team, they're always going to be the underdog. There's a local owner 90 miles south doing what you want, just root for them, the team we beat last year and 1-2 games behind right now while spending a ton more money.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

To flip that much after a half season on your viewpoint is exactly how organizations should not be run if you care about long term forward thinking and all that. You have to give time and not have constant turmoil. The worse teams in all sports are the ones that change management every year or two.

 

For his job, think of this simply. If you'd have been told when the rebuild started in 2015 that by 2017 they'd be a game out of the playoffs, by 2018 a game from the WS and that in 2019 in competition for the playoffs with 5-6 weeks left would that be a successful management job? Oh, while having acquired an MVP on a cheap contract. But I suppose weigh that again not acquiring Freddy Galvis, and yea it's debatable.

 

So you think Stearns has had a good year? Hasn’t made an inordinate amount of mistakes, from the early rotation to the horrible pitching shuttle to sending Hiura back down to the imbalance of lefty hitters, to keeping a near .530 hitter vs lefties down all year. Oh, almost forgot, letting DJ go. If I had more time to think, I could probably come up with more bad decision making. Isn’t that enough?

 

Enough to fire him? Hell no.

 

Yeah, some of the moves have been questionable or flat out bad. Some he made last year were questionable at the time as well. The difference is that last year most of those ended up working out. They haven't this year. It's baseball. That happens. Sometimes it just isn't your year. But to overreact and call for change when that happens is a great way to guarantee that EVERY year isn't going to be your year.

[tmwiese55]

1.8 million not what I would call expensive, especially to not have to see Arcia flail away anymore, I’d call that the best value in all of sports.

 

 

So you're just ignoring the post that points out that Galvis's K percentage is higher than Arcia's? That's on point.

 

Why is Galvis ‘s war higher?

 

you said flailing away. Not WAR.

[Brew crew 92]

Actually, if I could fire the owner, and replace him with an owner from Wisconsin that is a real life long brewer fan, that doesn’t have to answer to investors yearly, to make a predetermined profit each and every year, no matter the circumstances, instead of a year or 2 forgoing said yearly profit, with 125 million ONE YEAR increase in franchise value being enough “profit” for 1 year with team having gone 50 years titleless already.

 

Sounds like you want Bud Selig again.

 

Ha, at his age, there would definitely be a massive incentive to win the series sooner rather than later.

[homer]

Actually, if I could fire the owner, and replace him with an owner from Wisconsin that is a real life long brewer fan, that doesn’t have to answer to investors yearly, to make a predetermined profit each and every year, no matter the circumstances, instead of a year or 2 forgoing said yearly profit, with 125 million ONE YEAR increase in franchise value being enough “profit” for 1 year with team having gone 50 years titleless already.

 

Sounds like you want Bud Selig again.

 

Ha, at his age, there would definitely be a massive incentive to win the series sooner rather than later.

 

He never really seemed to care about winning after 1992 why would he start now?

[FVBrewerFan]

To flip that much after a half season on your viewpoint is exactly how organizations should not be run if you care about long term forward thinking and all that. You have to give time and not have constant turmoil. The worse teams in all sports are the ones that change management every year or two.

 

For his job, think of this simply. If you'd have been told when the rebuild started in 2015 that by 2017 they'd be a game out of the playoffs, by 2018 a game from the WS and that in 2019 in competition for the playoffs with 5-6 weeks left would that be a successful management job? Oh, while having acquired an MVP on a cheap contract. But I suppose weigh that again not acquiring Freddy Galvis, and yea it's debatable.

 

So you think Stearns has had a good year? Hasn’t made an inordinate amount of mistakes, from the early rotation to the horrible pitching shuttle to sending Hiura back down to the imbalance of lefty hitters, to keeping a near .530 hitter vs lefties down all year. Oh, almost forgot, letting DJ go. If I had more time to think, I could probably come up with more bad decision making. Isn’t that enough?

 

Early rotation, you mean the rotation you agreed with wholeheartedly? Man, you go overboard with everything. Of course Stearns made mistakes, and he'll make more. But fire him? For not signing Hiura to an 8 year contract? Funny, not long ago you were including Grisham as a player they MUST lock up. But he has cooled off, and so have you. Would not surprise me if Hiura continues to cool off for a few more days you'll be off his bandwagon too.

[tmwiese55]

To flip that much after a half season on your viewpoint is exactly how organizations should not be run if you care about long term forward thinking and all that. You have to give time and not have constant turmoil. The worse teams in all sports are the ones that change management every year or two.

 

For his job, think of this simply. If you'd have been told when the rebuild started in 2015 that by 2017 they'd be a game out of the playoffs, by 2018 a game from the WS and that in 2019 in competition for the playoffs with 5-6 weeks left would that be a successful management job? Oh, while having acquired an MVP on a cheap contract. But I suppose weigh that again not acquiring Freddy Galvis, and yea it's debatable.

 

So you think Stearns has had a good year? Hasn’t made an inordinate amount of mistakes, from the early rotation to the horrible pitching shuttle to sending Hiura back down to the imbalance of lefty hitters, to keeping a near .530 hitter vs lefties down all year. Oh, almost forgot, letting DJ go. If I had more time to think, I could probably come up with more bad decision making. Isn’t that enough?

 

Enough to fire him? Hell no.

 

Yeah, some of the moves have been questionable or flat out bad. Some he made last year were questionable at the time as well. The difference is that last year most of those ended up working out. They haven't this year. It's baseball. That happens. Sometimes it just isn't your year. But to overreact and call for change when that happens is a great way to guarantee that EVERY year isn't going to be your year.

 

Yup, well said. you can't have crazy overreactions and hind sight 20/20 type views to everything. This is baseball and crazy stuff happens all the time. I love how you list the AAA C as a mistake like that's going to translate. I guess we should've played that AAA C at SS or something. What an idiot GM, he thought playing our ASB 1b instead of a career minor leaguer at 1B or two time near AS in Shaw a bunch. What a moron.

 

He's had a lot of things not go his way this year, that's for sure. Pitching staff massively injured and 2/3 young guys flopped. But again, at the time I think almost everyone was on board with the young P strategy, especially you. As a small market, it's the right strategy. That and to blame him for Cain, Jesus, Shaw is just hindsight 20/20 BS, there's nothing he could do there. With your kind of reactionary thinking like 20ish GMs and manager would be fired every year. Plenty of managers and GMs would've been fired who a year or two later won titles or went deep. And somehow you're seeming bashing him for Moose/Grandal in spite of the massive amount of production had on cheap one year low risk deals, these were great moves and withou them they'd be completely out of the race right now.

 

Losing DJ was a big loss, I've been one on that train the whole season. But you also have to relax and realize us sitting here have no idea what the story is there. They might have countered with everything possible and the guy was just determined to go home, who knows, maybe some sick parent or something going on, IDK. Moreover, if it did come down to just not paying X amount more money we don't if that was his or the owner's call. It's just very tough to lay blame on something of that nature as we don't know what the personal stuff for DJ was that made him do it.

[Brew crew 92]

To flip that much after a half season on your viewpoint is exactly how organizations should not be run if you care about long term forward thinking and all that. You have to give time and not have constant turmoil. The worse teams in all sports are the ones that change management every year or two.

 

For his job, think of this simply. If you'd have been told when the rebuild started in 2015 that by 2017 they'd be a game out of the playoffs, by 2018 a game from the WS and that in 2019 in competition for the playoffs with 5-6 weeks left would that be a successful management job? Oh, while having acquired an MVP on a cheap contract. But I suppose weigh that again not acquiring Freddy Galvis, and yea it's debatable.

 

So you think Stearns has had a good year? Hasn’t made an inordinate amount of mistakes, from the early rotation to the horrible pitching shuttle to sending Hiura back down to the imbalance of lefty hitters, to keeping a near .530 hitter vs lefties down all year. Oh, almost forgot, letting DJ go. If I had more time to think, I could probably come up with more bad decision making. Isn’t that enough?

 

Enough to fire him? Hell no.

 

Yeah, some of the moves have been questionable or flat out bad. Some he made last year were questionable at the time as well. The difference is that last year most of those ended up working out. They haven't this year. It's baseball. That happens. Sometimes it just isn't your year. But to overreact and call for change when that happens is a great way to guarantee that EVERY year isn't going to be your year.

 

Or maybe the rebuild was too fast? Maybe a younger more talented core of players is the way to go with a below league average payroll. Maybe it’s the reason Attanasio hires him in the first place. Because, maybe he convinced our owner he could turn around this team quickly, and that’s the reason he got the job.

 

Imo, can’t win a World Series with astute waiver wire claims and cheap scrap heap pickups AND A BELOW LEAGUE AVERAGE PAYROLL.

[Brew crew 92]

To flip that much after a half season on your viewpoint is exactly how organizations should not be run if you care about long term forward thinking and all that. You have to give time and not have constant turmoil. The worse teams in all sports are the ones that change management every year or two.

 

For his job, think of this simply. If you'd have been told when the rebuild started in 2015 that by 2017 they'd be a game out of the playoffs, by 2018 a game from the WS and that in 2019 in competition for the playoffs with 5-6 weeks left would that be a successful management job? Oh, while having acquired an MVP on a cheap contract. But I suppose weigh that again not acquiring Freddy Galvis, and yea it's debatable.

 

So you think Stearns has had a good year? Hasn’t made an inordinate amount of mistakes, from the early rotation to the horrible pitching shuttle to sending Hiura back down to the imbalance of lefty hitters, to keeping a near .530 hitter vs lefties down all year. Oh, almost forgot, letting DJ go. If I had more time to think, I could probably come up with more bad decision making. Isn’t that enough?

 

Early rotation, you mean the rotation you agreed with wholeheartedly? Man, you go overboard with everything. Of course Stearns made mistakes, and he'll make more. But fire him? For not signing Hiura to an 8 year contract? Funny, not long ago you were including Grisham as a player they MUST lock up. But he has cooled off, and so have you. Would not surprise me if Hiura continues to cool off for a few more days you'll be off his bandwagon too.

 

No no, still want team to secure both Grisham and Hiura. I was wrong on the rotation, but I believed the hype created by CC and Stearns.

[trwi7]

Or maybe the rebuild was too fast? Maybe a younger more talented core of players is the way to go with a below league average payroll. Maybe it’s the reason Attanasio hires him in the first place. Because, maybe he convinced our owner he could turn around this team quickly, and that’s the reason he got the job.

 

Imo, can’t win a World Series with astute waiver wire claims and cheap scrap heap pickups AND A BELOW LEAGUE AVERAGE PAYROLL.

 

This I will agree with and it was my main concern. You can get guys like Aguilar and Shaw pretty much whenever you want but there's a huge risk in relying on them because they were never really highly touted with great tools that you could consistently rely on. So you get a good couple years out of them and you expect them to continue and then they just fall off.

 

A scorched earth rebuild, while painful is probably more sustainable long term in a market like this than hoping to find a bunch of guys like Shaw and Aguilar to consistently contribute over a number of years.

[adambr2]

To flip that much after a half season on your viewpoint is exactly how organizations should not be run if you care about long term forward thinking and all that. You have to give time and not have constant turmoil. The worse teams in all sports are the ones that change management every year or two.

 

For his job, think of this simply. If you'd have been told when the rebuild started in 2015 that by 2017 they'd be a game out of the playoffs, by 2018 a game from the WS and that in 2019 in competition for the playoffs with 5-6 weeks left would that be a successful management job? Oh, while having acquired an MVP on a cheap contract. But I suppose weigh that again not acquiring Freddy Galvis, and yea it's debatable.

 

So you think Stearns has had a good year? Hasn’t made an inordinate amount of mistakes, from the early rotation to the horrible pitching shuttle to sending Hiura back down to the imbalance of lefty hitters, to keeping a near .530 hitter vs lefties down all year. Oh, almost forgot, letting DJ go. If I had more time to think, I could probably come up with more bad decision making. Isn’t that enough?

 

You said this back in February:

 

Stearns & co has built a championship caliber team for this year. What

Separates this team from any other national league team including the dodgers is there depth. Best 40 man in league and it’s not even

Close! This team will overcome injuries because of it, And get stronger at the trade deadline. And like last year dominate sept with

Call-ups. This will be one of mlb’s super teams THIS year!

What Stearns has done in the last 41 months is simply astounding!

 

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=38134&p=1197234#p1197234

 

You can't go from that to wanting him fired 6 months later just because the results haven't been as good as you had expected, man.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

To flip that much after a half season on your viewpoint is exactly how organizations should not be run if you care about long term forward thinking and all that. You have to give time and not have constant turmoil. The worse teams in all sports are the ones that change management every year or two.

 

For his job, think of this simply. If you'd have been told when the rebuild started in 2015 that by 2017 they'd be a game out of the playoffs, by 2018 a game from the WS and that in 2019 in competition for the playoffs with 5-6 weeks left would that be a successful management job? Oh, while having acquired an MVP on a cheap contract. But I suppose weigh that again not acquiring Freddy Galvis, and yea it's debatable.

 

So you think Stearns has had a good year? Hasn’t made an inordinate amount of mistakes, from the early rotation to the horrible pitching shuttle to sending Hiura back down to the imbalance of lefty hitters, to keeping a near .530 hitter vs lefties down all year. Oh, almost forgot, letting DJ go. If I had more time to think, I could probably come up with more bad decision making. Isn’t that enough?

 

You said this back in February:

 

Stearns & co has built a championship caliber team for this year. What

Separates this team from any other national league team including the dodgers is there depth. Best 40 man in league and it’s not even

Close! This team will overcome injuries because of it, And get stronger at the trade deadline. And like last year dominate sept with

Call-ups. This will be one of mlb’s super teams THIS year!

What Stearns has done in the last 41 months is simply astounding!

 

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=38134&p=1197234#p1197234

 

You can't go from that to wanting him fired 6 months later just because the results haven't been as good as you had expected, man.

 

MIC

 

 

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