2019 Green Bay Packers Season Thread

[HiAndTight]

Gilbert had a lot of hype because of preseason sacks, but never translated it into anything more than a Travis Jervey-like preseason star.

 

I can't believe Jervey played 9 years in the NFL

 

But about five months into Nala’s time in Green Bay, she tried to chew on Johnson’s hat, and Jervey reached to snatch it from her.

 

“She bit a hole in my arm,” Jervey said. “So then I got freaked out.

 

“I realized that at this point, I could take (the lion) if we had to go one-on-one (in a fight). But I knew that in about another six months, maybe we’d be equal.”

 

Soon, Nala was off to an Oklahoma ranch designed “for people that were stupid and got exotic animals and couldn’t take care of them,” Jervey said, laughing about his youthful misadventures.

 

 

Jervey was a stud...on special teams. Kinda like a poor mans Slater or Tasker. One of the reasons I miss Jeff Janis a bit. He got so good covering kicks.

[HiAndTight]

Pankey-He had his worst showing against the Raiders, but I think he's got a chance to be your 6th best linemen. This is just his second year and they're still playing the musical chairs with him.

It's his third year in the league. He was on the active roster all of 2017, appearing in the final game of the year, and was on the practice squad for 12 weeks in 2018 before being activated in December. He's had two more years of pro coaching than Madison, so right now he should be better. Give Madison two years of pro coaching and I think he'll be a lot better than Pankey.

 

 

Ok, his 3rd year, my mistake. But they are still playing musical chairs with him. There's some projection there on my part because they have him playing a lot of tackle, so comparing he and Madison is hard to do. But he's lined up at every position in the pre-season at some point. I also think you somehow read my comments with regard to Madison negatively. I simply said he's too rusty from sitting out a year and right now Pankey was better. If you think Madison will be "a lot better" in two years, I don't know enough about him right now to agree or disagree. The guy is playing a very difficult position in the NFL to learn and he's a rookie who didn't work out with the team at all last year. I'd have to see him in a year. He looks sluggish and not strong enough right now. But that's to be expected. We'll see in a few days though. This is about as invested in a guard as I can be. I think there's going to be more shuffling from the original 53 man to the final 53 man than in years past.

 

You actually went back and looked at the tv replay again. I didn't. Thoughts on Nijman? I know they like him and he had a great workout at the combine and he'd appear to be a lock for the practice squad.

[nodakfan17]

The Raiders are interested in trading a late round pick for Lane Taylor if Jenkins wins a starting OG spot, per Rob Demovsky.

[yourout]

It's really hard to gain any insight how the Packers are going to be this year because none of the starters of played any meaningful minutes.

 

Two-thirds of the guys playing in this game are going to be unemployed on Monday.

[LouisEly]

Thoughts on Nijman? I know they like him and he had a great workout at the combine and he'd appear to be a lock for the practice squad.

From what I recall, Light played most of the game at LT. I know that on Madison's second holding call, it was Light who got beat to the inside and Madison slid over to try to pick him up.

 

As for Nijman, he had one of those games where you really didn't notice him, which for an OL, usually means he did a good job. He didn't get beat from what I recall, and looked like he had good balance and footwork. I don't know if he's the last guy cut, but he'll be pretty close to it, and I could see plenty of arguments for keeping him.

[lcbj68c]

Please cut Kizer before the clock strikes midnight tonight. I've seen enough.

[yourout]

Thoughts on Nijman? I know they like him and he had a great workout at the combine and he'd appear to be a lock for the practice squad.

From what I recall, Light played most of the game at LT. I know that on Madison's second holding call, it was Light who got beat to the inside and Madison slid over to try to pick him up.

 

As for Nijman, he had one of those games where you really didn't notice him, which for an OL, usually means he did a good job. He didn't get beat from what I recall, and looked like he had good balance and footwork. I don't know if he's the last guy cut, but he'll be pretty close to it, and I could see plenty of arguments for keeping him.

 

I'm just glad they figured out that Spriggs was a colossal bust and finally cut bait.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Please cut Kizer before the clock strikes midnight tonight. I've seen enough.

 

You reversed jinxed him. Looked great on that TD drive.

 

I agree though. When you are a high pick and get substantially outplayed by a literal undrafted nobody like Boyle, it does not bode well for your long-term projection. If the Packers hang on to Kizer, they will arguably have the worst backup QB situation in the league. It would probably be that way with Boyle too, though.

[nodakfan17]

Please cut Kizer before the clock strikes midnight tonight. I've seen enough.

I really like Kizer ... just not as a football player.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Packers gonna be scouring the wire for ILB depth this weekend. Running very low on bodies there.

[yourout]

Packers gonna be scouring the wire for ILB depth this weekend. Running very low on bodies there.

 

They should be scouring the waiver wire for just about everything.

In particular offensive line defensive line and linebacker.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Packers gonna be scouring the wire for ILB depth this weekend. Running very low on bodies there.

 

They should be scouring the waiver wire for just about everything.

In particular offensive line defensive line and linebacker.

 

I could see maybe a swing offensive tackle, as I'm not sold on Light. That team is pretty solid at D-Line, though. Definitely need ILB, but they have decent depth at OLB.

 

Judging depth from watching this game is a lost cause. 90% of these guys will be on the street by the end of this weekend.

[MadThinker88]

Packers gonna be scouring the wire for ILB depth this weekend. Running very low on bodies there.

 

Good luck with that. Apparently Alabama is seeking ILB help as well.

 

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/08/colts-texans-browns-lead-nfl-in-cap-space

[sarcasm]Considering the NFL salary cap, those available talents might be getting paid more by Saban at Bama..[/sarcasm]

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Packers gonna be scouring the wire for ILB depth this weekend. Running very low on bodies there.

 

Good luck with that. Apparently Alabama is seeking ILB help as well.

 

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/08/colts-texans-browns-lead-nfl-in-cap-space

[sarcasm]Considering the NFL salary cap, those available talents might be getting paid more by Saban at Bama..[/sarcasm]

 

ILBers make nothing compared to most other positions, so available cap space really doesn't matter. Plus, the guys being released this weekend aren't exactly going to be in a prime negotiating spot.

[OnTheBlack]

 

As for Nijman, he had one of those games where you really didn't notice him, which for an OL, usually means he did a good job. He didn't get beat from what I recall, and looked like he had good balance and footwork. I don't know if he's the last guy cut, but he'll be pretty close to it, and I could see plenty of arguments for keeping him.

 

Light didn't even really get beat inside IIRC, it looked like he was expecting someone to come from the outside and it looked more to me like he was passing him off to Madison and Madison was a bit late to react. But it really doesn't matter. That's 1 of the 4 penalties and 1 play out of probably...75-90 he played in the first 3 games. He's rusty.

 

Nijman is really intriguing. Very athletic, very long. He was very good tonight in finishing his blocks in the run game. Got beat outside on one play where it appeared he wasn't ready for the snap for whatever reason, maybe still communicating the blocking assignments.

 

A long, athletic tackle who moves pretty well is probably worth keeping over your 4th/5th guard.

 

This is all just guessing though. Watching FB on TV only gives you a fraction of the action and we obviously don't know what the coaches opinions of the players are.

[OnTheBlack]

Gilbert had a lot of hype because of preseason sacks, but never translated it into anything more than a Travis Jervey-like preseason star.

 

Or Jayrone Elliot. The man who'd be on his way to Canton if the Packers played the Seahawks every week, but seemed to dominate pre-season tackles and had the athletic ability, but never figured it out.

 

Reggie Gilbert was second on the Packers last year in QB pressures....with 15. Kyler Fackrell who played a lot more snaps had 23 I believe. So not a surprise that the Packers went out and committed 100+ million dollars, plus the 12th pick in the draft to improve that number.

 

 

I wonder if the Packers would have gone after Clowney had he been available at the start of the off-season. Obviously it makes no sense right now with 3 guys with similar size and skill sets, but he would clearly be the best of them. They're talking about him being traded potentially for a 2nd or 3rd round pick after the Tunsil stuff was put to bed. Underrated player. The difference between he and Mack is not Two firsts+ a 5.

 

The question would be his contract. He's reportedly said he wants Donald/Mack type money. That's just not going to happen. He's worth a 5 years/110 with 65-70 guaranteed given how durable and effective he's been the last 3 years(actually better win rate on pass rushes than Watt and 2nd or 3rd among all edge rushers IIRC at ~33 pct) and he's one of the premier run defenders on the edge.

 

I guess I'll say I'd rather have Preston Smith and Za'Darius now that-that's who we have and both are pretty damn good and the depth at that spot is so critical.

[wildcat83]

Saw Dejon Allen listed as a Packers cut.

 

Former Packer Datone Jones was also released today.

[LouisEly]

I think they were really high on Allen last year and probably wanted to get whatever look they could at him to see if he was practice squad material. Might be a clue that they are keeping one less guard with the hopes of getting a guard or two on the practice squad.

[patrickgpe]

I think there won't be too many surprises tomorrow. just some predictions

 

1) packers keep 3 QB's

2) packers choose Dexter Williams as the 3rd string

3) ESB and Davis cut for Lazard and Shepherd.

4) Packers keep 1 FB

5) Packers trade Ficken before saturday afternoon to bears

 

i don't think there is too much up in the air defensively or the OL.

[bjkrautk]

I think there won't be too many surprises tomorrow. just some predictions

 

1) packers keep 3 QB's

2) packers choose Dexter Williams as the 3rd string

3) ESB and Davis cut for Lazard and Shepherd.

4) Packers keep 1 FB

5) Packers trade Ficken before saturday afternoon to bears

 

i don't think there is too much up in the air defensively or the OL.

 

Some of the cuts have already been picked up at Acme Packaging Co, but none of the real big decisions have happened yet.

 

As to your list, #3 is the one I disagree with most. I think ESB will be kept on the 53-man roster through cut-down, then immediately moved to IR (so he can be designated to return later this season)...and I think Shepherd's fumble on the KR last night ended his shot at making the 53. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he makes the Practice Squad, though.

 

I've heard the 3QB idea tossed out on the J-S packers podcast, and it's certainly possible. My suspicion is they're going with 2, and will try to bring Wilkins back on the practice squad. I'd rather keep the younger, more physically talented guy as the backup / QB project, so Kizer stays IMO.

[patrickgpe]

if the packers think they can stash boyle on the PS, I'm fine with that. They got burnt when they tried to do that with Hill a few years back.

 

I agree on the shepherd fumble may have hurt him, but its one play. Davis has had a decent preseason too, so it will be interesting to see if that helps his cause or if his injury history does him in. If Davis does get cut, I do think Shepherd will get a chance to return kicks. If Davis makes the team, than his fate is sealed. Lazard is a guy I think you need to figure out how to keep. I'm just concerned if you do keep ESB on the 53 to put him on the IR designated to return tag, you may lose him.

[wildcat83]

I think there won't be too many surprises tomorrow. just some predictions

 

1) packers keep 3 QB's

2) packers choose Dexter Williams as the 3rd string

3) ESB and Davis cut for Lazard and Shepherd.

4) Packers keep 1 FB

5) Packers trade Ficken before saturday afternoon to bears

 

i don't think there is too much up in the air defensively or the OL.

 

Most of the cuts will happen today not tomorrow. There are already 13 cuts posted, no surprises.

 

There’s no reason to cut ESB when he can be put on IR.

 

I will guess Davis stays and they try to get Shepherd to the PS.

[HiAndTight]

I think they were really high on Allen last year and probably wanted to get whatever look they could at him to see if he was practice squad material. Might be a clue that they are keeping one less guard with the hopes of getting a guard or two on the practice squad.

 

 

With the announcement that they're going to be sticking with Lane Taylor at LG over Jenkins, they probably feel like they can afford to go a bit lighter there. Taylor, Jenkins, Turner, and then several guys who are all close.

[HiAndTight]

I think there won't be too many surprises tomorrow. just some predictions

 

1) packers keep 3 QB's

2) packers choose Dexter Williams as the 3rd string

3) ESB and Davis cut for Lazard and Shepherd.

4) Packers keep 1 FB

5) Packers trade Ficken before saturday afternoon to bears

 

i don't think there is too much up in the air defensively or the OL.

 

 

The OL is really up in the air to me. What do you do with Madison? He's not ready to play. But you invested a 5th round pick into him, a valuable pick for a guard. You have 6 locks in the starting 5 and Jenkins. After that, I guess I go Patrick, Nijman and Pankey. I think Madison could be snuck onto the practice squad. That's what I'd personally do. Nijman the more you watch him, he just looks like a future starter playing tackle in the NFL. Most likely on the right side, but with all the teams thirsty for OL help, I just don't want to risk giving him up at this point.

 

 

 

I would really be shocked if the Packers swing a deal with the Bears for a kicker. I want to keep Crosby, but as a GM, it has to be so hard seeing that cap number next to his name and seeing Ficken, who has a BIG leg pushing him all camp. But I'd rather stay with the proven bad weather, the clutch kicker. The guy who hit two 50+ yard FG's to tie and beat Dallas in about a 6-minute span or have a history of kicking in bad weather.

 

That cap room would be real nice to have however as the Packers are starting to get close to bumping up against it! Not sure about some of the others, but that's kinda the point of "bold" predictions. To give a different take.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think Kizer will stay. He showed a pulse last night and it seems like Rodgers likes both of them which probably matters more than their performance. I think he's awful but I don't think he'll get cut anymore.