2019 Green Bay Packers Season Thread

[yourout]

Gary is a super hero........ The invisible Man.

[yourout]

I will say the backup running back look decent.

[nodakfan17]

Trevor Davis with his annual reminder that he’s sort of an NFL receiver.

[adambr2]

This is such an embarrassment for the NFL. You knew you were going to play a game on a CFL field and you didn't verify ahead of time how you were deal with it to create appropriate field conditions?

 

That was my thought....how was this not identified a week, a month, six months ago?

 

I’m sure it was on their radar

 

Clearly not.

[yourout]

After a slow start Boyle looks pretty good.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Granted these are not many starters but the more I see the less impressed I get.

My gut says this is going to be a long year.

 

Not one starter is out there. But if all 22 of those guys get hurt, you're probably right.

 

How you can possibly get that amount of pessimism out of this performance I have no idea.

[PinaMadness]

Kizer is not good. Not even close.

 

BuT hE PlAyEd In ClEvElAnD.

[wildcat83]

I think the Trevor Davis cut talks can be at least paused for another week.

 

Boyle looks like he could maybe at least tread water for a few weeks if needed, although prolly not a stiff test with who the Raiders put out there.

[nodakfan17]

I think the Trevor Davis cut talks can be at least paused for another week.

 

Boyle looks like he could maybe at least tread water for a few weeks if needed, although prolly not a stiff test with who the Raiders put out there.

 

His chances to make the roster improved greatly due to St Brown’s injury.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I think the Trevor Davis cut talks can be at least paused for another week.

 

Boyle looks like he could maybe at least tread water for a few weeks if needed, although prolly not a stiff test with who the Raiders put out there.

 

Agreed regarding Davis. He looks like a legit NFL receiver for the first time in his career tonight. EQ's injury may have made it easier for both Davis and Lazard to make the team. Shepherd has looked good as well, though. Have to think he is Davis's main competition.

[wildcat83]

I think there is too much young talent at WR to only keep five, and if Tonyan has made strides then I think Lewis gets cut.

 

I also think they try to sneak Shepherd onto the practice squad. Maybe offer him a higher salary to stay. When other teams have inquired about guys on the Packers practice squad, the Packers have bumped their salaries up, sometimes to league minimum, to get them to stay.

 

WR locks: Adams, Kumerow, Allison, MVS

 

Competing for last two spots: ESB, Lazard, Davis, Moore, Shepherd

 

I think the last two spots go to Lazard (special teams play gives him the edge) and one of ESB or Davis.

 

I think we are seeing why they didn't draft a WR this year.

 

Think this is going to be pretty accurate, and after tonight ESB to IR makes it more clear.

[PinaMadness]

Rob Johnson thinks Kizer takes too many sacks.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Rob Johnson thinks Kizer takes too many sacks.

 

David Carr was going to say the same thing, but he was hit before he could get it out.

[lcbj68c]

Kizer couldn't do anything? with his entire half?? I'm done with that guy. Just take Boyle and Rodgers back to GB.

[yourout]

Rob Johnson thinks Kizer takes too many sacks.

 

David Carr was going to say the same thing, but he was hit before he could get it out.

 

Kizer is about to be looking for a new team.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Kizer couldn't do anything? with his entire half?? I'm done with that guy. Just take Boyle and Rodgers back to GB.

 

He was out there with a bunch of guys who were auditioning for the XFL, but yeah, I see your point Boyle looked much more decisive and confident in his throws after starting a little rough.

[lcbj68c]

Kizer couldn't do anything? with his entire half?? I'm done with that guy. Just take Boyle and Rodgers back to GB.

 

He was out there with a bunch of guys who were auditioning for the XFL, but yeah, I see your point Boyle looked much more decisive and confident in his throws after starting a little rough.

 

I guess, but didn't Taysom Hill atleast do SOMETHING in the same circumstances?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Kizer couldn't do anything? with his entire half?? I'm done with that guy. Just take Boyle and Rodgers back to GB.

 

He was out there with a bunch of guys who were auditioning for the XFL, but yeah, I see your point Boyle looked much more decisive and confident in his throws after starting a little rough.

 

I guess, but didn't Taysom Hill atleast do SOMETHING in the same circumstances?

 

I won't try to argue that Kizer doesn't suck ... just that his supporting cast did him no favors either. I think Kizer is gone.

[HiAndTight]

Granted these are not many starters but the more I see the less impressed I get.

My gut says this is going to be a long year.

 

Not one starter is out there. But if all 22 of those guys get hurt, you're probably right.

 

How you can possibly get that amount of pessimism out of this performance I have no idea.

 

 

I really think some fans can't separate the difference between how an individual is playing and what the cumulative results of the team are.

 

We're in Week 3 of the pre-season...there are issues with the turf so you have your starters and most of your top reserves out...and because for instance Kizer gets sacked because 1 or two guys misses an assignment and the play gets blown up, the team sucks.

 

It's just really annoying. In Baseball, you see results. You might have bad luck, but it's essentially an individual game. Football is 11 people who have to be all on the same page and at any given time half of the people out there in the game tonight won't be on the 54 man roster.

 

 

Take Gary for example. The only way you can be down on him right now is if you haven't actually watched the first two pre-season games. I don't care what the box score says about a rookie playing a new position after two Pre-season games. I care about how the guy looks. Gary looks WAY more fluid than I thought he'd look..he looks raw, he looks like he doesn't have some of the finesse moves down yet, but his get off, his explosive ability to rock a tackle back and the way he can trail a play or stand up a tackle on a running play on the edge, everything he's done has been incredibly encouraging.

 

But if he had 3 straight sacks like Jayronne Elliot did and he blew several assignments and was letting the offense get to the edge and wasn't getting any other QB pressures, the same fans calling him "invisible," would be talking about how he's a potential star!

 

These threads DURING the game are like the Brewers IGT's. They're reactionary and ridiculous. Outside of the games...they're usually really good discussions.

[HiAndTight]

I think the Trevor Davis cut talks can be at least paused for another week.

 

Boyle looks like he could maybe at least tread water for a few weeks if needed, although prolly not a stiff test with who the Raiders put out there.

 

Agreed regarding Davis. He looks like a legit NFL receiver for the first time in his career tonight. EQ's injury may have made it easier for both Davis and Lazard to make the team. Shepherd has looked good as well, though. Have to think he is Davis's main competition.

 

 

I think there was a chance EQ might have been one of the odd men anyway. Not that I think he should be, but just where he was in the rotations, what the Packers coaches have been saying. And he hasn't looked particularly good this pre-season. He's had a chance to make a couple of plays but didn't. So now you can put him on IR...presuming the injury is at least a sprain. And it certainly appeared to be at least that.

 

 

But Davis obviously had a good game tonight. It might help make their decision easier there as he's their top return man probably.

 

Shepard's catch on that corner route was just AWESOME. The fake at the top of the route to get separation, the way quickness and then actually finishing the play. I thought Shepard, if he got cut had a chance to make it through the waiver wire heading into tonight. I really doubt that now. And Lazard is basically a hyper-athletic TE out there at 6'5 230.

 

I really wonder if the Packers might try to keep 7 at WR'er even with EQ down. It'd be easier if they could go with just 3 TE's, but there's really nobody there you can cut. Trading or cutting Graham would be really dumb at this point since you've already paid him the roster bonus, Tonyan is a guy you can't let go, you won't cut a 3rd round pick and the one guy they could cut would be Lewis, but I doubt they feel comfortable with the blocking skills of the other 3 who are all much more receiving TE's at this point. You keep Lewis in case Bakh or Bulaga get hurt, he's an elite blocking TE who can help out whoever you'd throw out there.

 

 

And none of the WR'ers outside of Adams and maybe Allison have any trade value(and Allison's value would be a cond. 7th rounder).

[HiAndTight]

I won't try to argue that Kizer doesn't suck ... just that his supporting cast did him no favors either. I think Kizer is gone.

 

 

No, his supporting cast was laughably bad. On the very first snap he took, the defense got him in....what, .8 seconds? On the 4th down, again, blown assignments up front and he had maybe 1 second before he was getting hit.

 

 

The only OL playing with Kizer who has a prayer of making this team is Yosh Nijman if the Packers get high and paranoid that someone else would claim him off waivers. Otherwise, he is headed straight to the practice squad. But your LT is a project...a talented one, but a project all the same, Cole, Madison, Light, deBeer. The Banner's cheerleaders used to make were harder to run through than that group!

 

I think Kizer's says...I won't be shocked either way, but I Boyle's bad as well and I don't think he's got much if any upside. He made some AWFUL throws that should have been picked off early on. But I think fans reflectively prefer the guy who's more of the underdog than the guy who has the stronger pedigree. It's why people were so in love with Callahan(a little hyperbole, but people liked him a lot).

 

But I'm still of the opinion that if you have two guys who are as bad as Boyle and Kizer...go with the one who has the higher upside and has at least played in some games before.

 

 

 

Pretty soon though, the Packers need to pull the trigger and use some valuable draft capital on a QB. A guy like Fromm right now has a 2nd round grade on him. I'm sure he moves up, but the Packers would be wise to take a guy like him if he were to be available in the 2nd round since they're obviously not willing to spend any money on a backup QB.

[HiAndTight]

Rob Johnson thinks Kizer takes too many sacks.

 

David Carr was going to say the same thing, but he was hit before he could get it out.

 

 

I've said this before, but I feel bad for guys like David Carr and to a lesser degree Kizer. Guys who are highly thought of coming out, thrown in behind absolutely terrible offensive lines on absolutely terrible teams, they get beaten to hell and then it's really tough to get them back mentally.

 

I think that's what happened to Kizer in Cleveland(and pretty much every other QB they picked between Kosar and Mayfield) and Carr went to an expansion team and did they set the record for sacks given up in back to back years? He was sacked 155 times or something like in 2 years. And you're usually hit about 3-4 times per sack.

 

The Packers did it right with Rodgers, the Chiefs with Mahomes. The Colts finally built an OL for Luck, but he was just so big and so good that he could deal with it for a couple of years before they had to put him back together like Steve Austin(not Stone Cold for anyone who doesn't get the reference).

[patrickgpe]

I think the Trevor Davis cut talks can be at least paused for another week.

 

Boyle looks like he could maybe at least tread water for a few weeks if needed, although prolly not a stiff test with who the Raiders put out there.

I don't know how you can take anything from this game. Did he have a good game, against nobodies on a short field. same with Boyle. Next week is going to be pivotal for a lot of people.

[homer]

I think Davis showed he is much better than 3rd stringers....which means he's 2nd string at least which means he should make the team.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Does anyone still think Kizer is making this team?