2019 Green Bay Packers Season Thread

[FVBrewerFan]

I don't particularly care who they go with at backup QB as the Packers are in trouble either way

 

This has been the line pretty much throughout the entire Favre AND Rodgers era. Not saying you're wrong, but it's time that changes. There's no reason they can't/shouldn't find a backup QB capable of winning a few games. Hoping the defense improves enough that this won't be the case anymore in the near future, if not this season.

 

That said, I have no idea if the answer is in-house already or not.

[KeithStone53151]

Apparently Burks' injury does not require surgery. He's day to day. Great news. Of course this could be the kind of thing that lasts until week 6 but still...beats the whole season.

 

 

This could be a game changer. And if he misses a couple weeks, it will be good for someone else to get a bunch of experience before moving to a backup role.

 

 

This could be, but I think it could be almost as important to get Summers and Bolton on the field earlier.

 

I'm guessing we won't see Burks until week 3-4 as this seems like an injury that'll take a while to completely heal, but it could provide a nice boost and some fresh legs when the rookies are starting to get a little beat up(if it does in fact take that long).

 

I tend to agree, what I think a lot of people don't realize is a strain and tear are basically the same thing, it's simply a matter of severity. It gets reported as a tear in severe cases and only a strain in mild cases...for whatever reason.

 

Anyways, yeah I kind of look at this as probably a pretty severe version of a muscular injury that doesn't require surgery. I do wonder if the severity of damage to the muscle is as bad as Scooter's torn groin, which put him out for 3 months without surgery. I think 3 months would probably land him on injured reserve though, so they probably think he'll be out less time than that. I feel like it's pretty uncommon for even bad muscular injuries that don't require surgery to put a guy out for more than 4-6 weeks, which is kinda why I'm thinking week 3-4 like you. Better to be cautious this early in the season...make sure he's 100%.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Are we sure Aaron Rodgers is still an elite QB?

[KeithStone53151]

Are we sure Aaron Rodgers is still an elite QB?

 

Interesting read, but I was able to easily poke holes in most of it. A lot of it seemed like "Rodgers is struggling on 3 pm games in October on odd numbered days"...type stuff. Like they are sifting through data and highlighting a lot of coincidences.

 

You can explain so many of his struggles as having old/slow receivers and a terrible scheme/coach...along with being hurt. It's fair to ask "are we sure he's elite?", but I don't think it's fair to define him as a mediocre-above average qb at this point based on anything in this article. They can title it whatever they want...clearly they are trying to label him as not good anymore.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Wow, I think you are making quite a reach there. I think at worst it was a click-bait title not written by the reporter. The rest of it was pretty compelling and didn't seem to be making an argument that Rodgers is washed up at all. It was that their offense has been predictable and boring for quite a while.

 

The example of the playcall by LaFluer/McCarthy against Miami was pretty damning. I'm not super well-versed in Xs and Os but that first play seems extremely flawed by design. The entire team rolls with the fake toss and two guys streak down the field. Seems awfully vanilla.

 

I'm not really sure how pointing out the numerous specific statistical declines in Rodgers' game is highlighting coincidences. I didn't interpret that as labeling him not good, it was reporting a fact that he hasn't been elite-level productive in a few years now.

[nodakfan17]

Is Kumerow a lock to make the roster? Probably, right?

[yourout]

I would be just fine if they found a new backup QB.

[OnTheBlack]

I don't particularly care who they go with at backup QB as the Packers are in trouble either way

 

This has been the line pretty much throughout the entire Favre AND Rodgers era. Not saying you're wrong, but it's time that changes. There's no reason they can't/shouldn't find a backup QB capable of winning a few games. Hoping the defense improves enough that this won't be the case anymore in the near future, if not this season.

 

That said, I have no idea if the answer is in-house already or not.

 

 

Agreed. I don't like the idea of just saying, "oh well, Rodgers is hurt," and throw up our hands and just write off the season or hope that a QB can maybe keep us close in games while he's out.

 

 

We should have a VERY good defense this year and as of this moment, I believe we have the best offensive line we've had since we could roll out Clifton/Rivera/Flanigan or Winters/Tauscher.

Bahktiari/Jenkins/Linsley/Turner/Bulaga is a really good offensive line. Both tackle spots and Center are elite. Jenkins two holding penalties tonight were absolute jokes. I went back and watched them 4 or 5 times each and he just blocked his guy. He didn't hold AT ALL. But he was amazing at doubling the NT and then getting to the second level. The running game still sucked....mostly because Williams just isn't patient enough yet, but if Turner is just solid at RG...we're loaded.

 

On that note, it's become painfully obvious that Cole Madison needs a year on the practice squad. He's getting rag dolled pretty good out there. And I'm rooting for the guy. What he went through was awful. But he cannot play in the regular season. The reports about how de Beer looking good also appears to be more training camp fluff as he's just bad. He gets bull rushed far too easily. But Light has looked alright as far as I can see, Pankey might be the next guy who backs up for a year or two and then becomes a really solid starter.

 

 

Anyway, my point, we've got a good D, a good running game, big targets at WR'er..something that's nice to have with a QB who doesn't have the accuracy Rodgers does. We have the type of roster that could get by with a veteran backup.

 

Maybe Kizer's that guy. I'm pretty confident Boyle isn't yet, he could be with another year on the PS and I doubt he'd be picked up. But we should have gone after Bortles for 3-4 million or any number of serviceable backup's and we definitely need to draft someone who LeFleur likes, who fits his offense in the first two days. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to draft a QB like Fromm next year in what figures to be a pretty loaded draft class. 5 years of control, let him develop. Rodgers would be 41 before he'd be entering free agency. Or you go down the board and use a 2nd/3rd on a guy like Eason(another former UGA QB), KJ Costello, or an even a guy like Love from Utah.

[OnTheBlack]

Are we sure Aaron Rodgers is still an elite QB?

 

 

Yes, he is. He is unquestionably an elite QB. Heading into this season an argument could only be made for Mahomes and maybe 1 or 2 other QB's who are as gifted as him athletically.

 

He struggled badly last year by his standards on deep balls. He missed more last year than he's probably missed in the next 3-4 worst years combined. But he was hobbled all year and threw the ball away.

 

The year Nelson went out, there were times you had a seriously declining Jones as his top weapon and he did not get open, Rodgers put it in places nobody else could get it.

 

I'm obviously biased, but I watch at least parts of 8 or 9 games a week, I don't usually use "the eye test" to argue for or against a guy, but sometimes it's just too obvious.

 

How many QB's can make the play he made vs the Cowboys to put them in position to win a couple years ago? Rodgers has been the antithesis of Favre and the truth is, he might actually benefit from taking a few more chances than he has in the past, but he's just so accurate, so smart, his arm strength has not diminished. His ability to throw on the run is still elite.

 

I don't think I'd even take Mahomes over Rodgers this season. Even long term the only two guys I'd consider trading him for are Mahomes(obviously) and Lawrence(appears to be such a lock even two years out).

[OnTheBlack]

Is Kumerow a lock to make the roster? Probably, right?

 

 

Absolutely. I don't think there's any question. I was late to this bandwagon. I thought this was the usual hometown hero type guy. But he's a little over 6'4, 215, runs a 4.5, 6.9 shuttle, so athletically, he's an NFL caliber WR'er.

 

And his hand are outstanding. He's made contested catches, he knows how to find the soft spot in the zone, he can beat guys off the line, and he's a great route runner and has Rodgers trust.

 

I think the question should be more about how high he's ascended on the depth chart. Is it possible he passes Allison and becomes 2B to MVS across from Adams?

 

 

I'd like to see them keep St. Brown and then I'm torn between Davis and Shepard just because Shepard isn't as fast and it really looked as though Davis was becoming a more aggressive and effective WR'er. Attacking the ball at it's highest point, going up and over guys to get it. It looked like he was finally emerging and he's a pretty good return man. But Shepard, despite a poor 40 times(which really isn't a great indicator of future success in many cases anyway) has the quickness to play in the slot and looked very good scrambling to get open in the back of the endzone on the Boyle TD pass.

 

I'd go with Adams as the 1, MVS as the 2, Allison probably getting the reps to start in the slot, Kumerow in the rotation, St. Brown and then I really don't know. Lazard has looked great as a receiver and on Special Teams and he's a big athletic gunner like Janis was, and then Davis/Shepard as the return men. Not sure Lazard makes it through waivers. I think Shepard would. Malik Taylor has earned a spot on the practice squd IMO just based on pure athletic ability.

 

 

An incredibly unproven WR'er core, but one that's big, physical, athletic, has a lot of ability with the ball in their hands and at least has one proven #1 who's probably one of the elite WR'ers in the NFL right now.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I take issue with "Rodgers is hurt so we're screwed anyway" because what if he is hurt for 4 games? That can be the difference in the playoffs or not, if you can win two of those games. What if he doesn't pass concussion protocol for Wild Card weekend? You need someone who can play at backup QB. Just someone average.

[patrickgpe]

Is Kumerow a lock to make the roster? Probably, right?

I think he will, I think Davis / Moore are the odd men out.

[patrickgpe]

I would be just fine if they found a new backup QB.

its so hard to evaulate, yes neither one looked good, but netiher one had Aaron Jones, their starting OL, Davante Adams, etc. NOBODY is going to give up on any QB that they think has any potential, after so many injuries last season. Maybe you can trade for one just before cutdown day, but you will pay a premium. I think they are stuck with Kizer.

[KeithStone53151]

I take issue with "Rodgers is hurt so we're screwed anyway" because what if he is hurt for 4 games? That can be the difference in the playoffs or not, if you can win two of those games. What if he doesn't pass concussion protocol for Wild Card weekend? You need someone who can play at backup QB. Just someone average.

 

I agree with this alot. It's one thing if Rodgers blows out a knee in week 2 and is done for the year(yeah, that's the season). But if he misses a game or two, or even a half of football with a concussion...that backup QB matters a lot. Plus, if you can develop a guy well...you can follow Belicheck's lead and try to trade him for value.

[nodakfan17]

Is Kumerow a lock to make the roster? Probably, right?

I think he will, I think Davis / Moore are the odd men out.

One of those two will almost certainly be cut, right?

 

I think it’s pretty likely they keep 4 TE and a FB, which probably means only 5 WR (6 at most). But who does the returns?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Is Kumerow a lock to make the roster? Probably, right?

I think he will, I think Davis / Moore are the odd men out.

One of those two will almost certainly be cut, right?

 

I think it’s pretty likely they keep 4 TE and a FB, which probably means only 5 WR (6 at most). But who does the returns?

 

I think both Davis and Moore are goners. Perhaps they try to sneak Moore onto the practice squad, but I imagine another team will see those measurables and 4th round pedigree and claim him. Davis is completely useless. If you cannot even come close to staying healthy, you have no value.

 

They seem pretty enamored with Darrius Shepard. I could see them hanging onto him as the 5-6th WR and kick/punt returner. Whoever wins the 3rd string RB job could also return kicks, and perhaps a reserve CB on punts?

[patrickgpe]

Whoever wins the 3rd string RB job could also return kicks, and perhaps a reserve CB on punts?

isn't pretty set that Jones, and both Williams will be the RB's. Will be interesting to see if they do keep a FB, If not, Carsen too?

[LouisEly]

I think there is too much young talent at WR to only keep five, and if Tonyan has made strides then I think Lewis gets cut.

 

I also think they try to sneak Shepherd onto the practice squad. Maybe offer him a higher salary to stay. When other teams have inquired about guys on the Packers practice squad, the Packers have bumped their salaries up, sometimes to league minimum, to get them to stay.

 

WR locks: Adams, Kumerow, Allison, MVS

 

Competing for last two spots: ESB, Lazard, Davis, Moore, Shepherd

 

I think the last two spots go to Lazard (special teams play gives him the edge) and one of ESB or Davis.

 

I think we are seeing why they didn't draft a WR this year.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Seems like every year we have a "deep position" where we then up sucking all year after one guy gets hurt.

[OldHeidelberg]

Just watched the first half on Thursday but the starting defense looked soft again, not wrapping up on tackles and letting guys get 5 yards after first contact. I hate to overreact to preseason games but with the backdrop of how crappy the team was at the end of last season my expectations are lowering. Less than 3 weeks until the Bears and they don't look ready.

[nodakfan17]

I think there is too much young talent at WR to only keep five, and if Tonyan has made strides then I think Lewis gets cut.

 

I also think they try to sneak Shepherd onto the practice squad. Maybe offer him a higher salary to stay. When other teams have inquired about guys on the Packers practice squad, the Packers have bumped their salaries up, sometimes to league minimum, to get them to stay.

 

WR locks: Adams, Kumerow, Allison, MVS

 

Competing for last two spots: ESB, Lazard, Davis, Moore, Shepherd

 

I think the last two spots go to Lazard (special teams play gives him the edge) and one of ESB or Davis.

 

I think we are seeing why they didn't draft a WR this year.

 

I agree that Lewis could be a surprise cut at TE, but they’ll probably keep 4. I’d also count St. Brown as a good bet, so that really only leaves at most one WR spot up for grabs. Shepherd is my dark horse because of his strong pre-season and return ability. I think both Moore and Davis get cut.

 

I also think they only keep 2 QB.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Cedric Benson is dead at 36 after a motorcycle crash in Austin last night.

[homer]

I think the only question about Kumerow is how much playing time is he gonna get. He's a lock to make the team.

[HiAndTight]

 

I think both Davis and Moore are goners. Perhaps they try to sneak Moore onto the practice squad, but I imagine another team will see those measurables and 4th round pedigree and claim him. Davis is completely useless. If you cannot even come close to staying healthy, you have no value.

 

They seem pretty enamored with Darrius Shepard. I could see them hanging onto him as the 5-6th WR and kick/punt returner. Whoever wins the 3rd string RB job could also return kicks, and perhaps a reserve CB on punts?

 

 

Moore is definitely gone. Even in Training Camp, I've never seen anything from him that was impressive until last week and that was when he got down field on ST's and kinda blocked a guy on a Running Play.

 

Davis is a guy you're being a bit unfair IMO. Useless? He had a hamstring issue last year. He came back from it and then injured it again. He probably came back too soon and they brought him back off IR using the one "designated to return," slot they get. He played in all 16 games his second year and was a healthy scratch early in his rookie year as best as I can remember.

 

So to this point, he's been hurt last year with one injury that's cost him playing time. "Useless," is overstepping the mark. Especially if he's as improved as the Packers are suggesting. Though, it's impossible to know how much "the Packers really like this kid," from Harlan and Lofton is legit and how much is them asking about a guy in the prep and them saying "He's looked good all camp."

 

He seems to be pretty clearly the best return man we've got. He's had some really nice returns for the Packers(helped them salvage that Bengals OT game when he had that last 65-yard return the week he won special teams player of the week) Obviously, he hasn't caught many balls. I don't know how much of that is him not being open the times he's played on offense and how much of it is him not having attained BFF-blood pact status with Rodgers.

 

I thought he looked pretty good this year, but he'll have to do something these next two weeks or the Packers are going to go with the younger guy.

 

 

The three RB's seem pretty clearly set as Jones/Jamal Williams and Dexter Williams. And Jones is the only servicable return man in that group and they're not likely to take their top back and use him on returns. I guess Carson has looked like he could be that 3rd man given the mental mistakes Dexter Williams has made, but I really doubt it.

 

Shepard could win the job, but I think Davis is at least as likely. He needs to finish strong and has a couple of good games.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Davis is a guy you're being a bit unfair IMO. Useless? He had a hamstring issue last year. He came back from it and then injured it again. He probably came back too soon and they brought him back off IR using the one "designated to return," slot they get. He played in all 16 games his second year and was a healthy scratch early in his rookie year as best as I can remember.

 

So to this point, he's been hurt last year with one injury that's cost him playing time. "Useless," is overstepping the mark. Especially if he's as improved as the Packers are suggesting. Though, it's impossible to know how much "the Packers really like this kid," from Harlan and Lofton is legit and how much is them asking about a guy in the prep and them saying "He's looked good all camp."

 

He seems to be pretty clearly the best return man we've got. He's had some really nice returns for the Packers(helped them salvage that Bengals OT game when he had that last 65-yard return the week he won special teams player of the week) Obviously, he hasn't caught many balls. I don't know how much of that is him not being open the times he's played on offense and how much of it is him not having attained BFF-blood pact status with Rodgers.

 

I thought he looked pretty good this year, but he'll have to do something these next two weeks or the Packers are going to go with the younger guy.

 

 

The three RB's seem pretty clearly set as Jones/Jamal Williams and Dexter Williams. And Jones is the only servicable return man in that group and they're not likely to take their top back and use him on returns. I guess Carson has looked like he could be that 3rd man given the mental mistakes Dexter Williams has made, but I really doubt it.

 

Shepard could win the job, but I think Davis is at least as likely. He needs to finish strong and has a couple of good games.

 

Theres no doubt that Davis is talented. But there's also the old adage that "you can't make the club in the tub", and that applies fully to him as well. There was some scuttle butt that they tried to deal him last year, but he was hurt (again). I think their patience for this guy is just about done. He just doesn't have the frame to stand up to the rigors and pounding a NFL WR and returner takes.