2019 Green Bay Packers Season Thread

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I still really think Kizer is fighting for a job. Boyle isn't getting cut. I'm just not convinced they're keeping three and Kizer looks "solid" just like Hundley did.

[rickh150]

I still really think Kizer is fighting for a job. Boyle isn't getting cut. I'm just not convinced they're keeping three and Kizer looks "solid" just like Hundley did.

 

Are the Packers incapable of signing a decent veteran quarterback that has had some success somewhere ever? Seems like a task force needs to be formed in GB to take on this seemingly impossible thing...

[PeaveyFury]

As someone who was cautiously interested in AB this offseason, the helmet nonsense is a nice reminder of the massive baggage you’re dealing with there....

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I still really think Kizer is fighting for a job. Boyle isn't getting cut. I'm just not convinced they're keeping three and Kizer looks "solid" just like Hundley did.

 

Are the Packers incapable of signing a decent veteran quarterback that has had some success somewhere ever? Seems like a task force needs to be formed in GB to take on this seemingly impossible thing...

 

I agree and said so above. But when you tie up that kind of capital in Rodgers that's what you get. You sink or swim with him. But $5.5m for Fitzpatrick doesn't sound all that bad to me. I'm just using him as the example. But I long for the days when we had Ty Detmer, Mark Brunell or Matt Hasselbeck if things went South. Most teams with big name QBs are in the same boat.

[OnTheBlack]

I still really think Kizer is fighting for a job. Boyle isn't getting cut. I'm just not convinced they're keeping three and Kizer looks "solid" just like Hundley did.

 

Are the Packers incapable of signing a decent veteran quarterback that has had some success somewhere ever? Seems like a task force needs to be formed in GB to take on this seemingly impossible thing...

 

 

I don't think many of the teams spending 30+ million on their starting Quarterbacks are wiling to go out and sign a guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick and spend even 5 million. And he signed for more than that, but he also signed on to at least have a chance to be the starter. Blake Bortles signed for cheap, maybe we could have gotten him while the Jags were still paying him, but we didn't.

[wildcat83]

Burks reported to have a torn pectoral muscle. If so that puts Summers and Jones in more of a spotlight and may allow a guy like Sheldon to possibly make the roster out of camp.

 

Guessing Summers gets base duties and Jones plays a lot of dime LB.

[homer]

Add Kingsley Keke to the list of guys getting some pub. Maybe take J'Mon Moore off that list.

 

Maybe put J'Mon back on the list? Dude is really up and down - awesome or awful.

[OnTheBlack]

Add Kingsley Keke to the list of guys getting some pub. Maybe take J'Mon Moore off that list.

 

Maybe put J'Mon back on the list? Dude is really up and down - awesome or awful.

 

 

I don't see how he can get back on that list. He's just looked so bad whenever we've seen him.

 

 

Anyway, the Packers picking up Tommy Bohanon, an athletic FB who can catch the ball is pretty telling of how they plan on using the FB. Not so much as a iso blocker, but as a guy who can block, but has the speed and versatility to catch the ball and play special teams. Both Bohanon and Vitale are very athletic and versatile FB's.

[LouisEly]

Both camp FBs - Vitale and Johnson - are injured right now. Likely a camp body until one or both are healthy.

[OnTheBlack]

Burks reported to have a torn pectoral muscle. If so that puts Summers and Jones in more of a spotlight and may allow a guy like Sheldon to possibly make the roster out of camp.

 

Guessing Summers gets base duties and Jones plays a lot of dime LB.

 

 

Bolton was lining up next to Blake Martinez today with the starters. Not sure if they actually like him more than Summers...I'd be surprised if that was the case based on what we saw in the pre-season game, Summers athletic ability and everything, but the coaches tape shows a lot we don't see.

 

And Raven Greene was playing as that Safety playing in the Box. I didn't even notice Jones in the pre-season game and was really impressed how much bigger Greene looked. I'd seen how both he and Adam's had really improved their physique, but Greene looked big. Just wish Jones could put in that same level of effort.

 

 

As for Sheldon, I hope they keep him..if not on the 54 man..which seems a bit unlikely, but on the PS at least. He really looks like he could become a pretty solid MLB'er.

 

I'd love to see what Rodgers could do with a legitimate top 5 defense and it looks like they could actually have one over the next 3-4 years.

[OnTheBlack]

Both camp FBs - Vitale and Johnson - are injured right now. Likely a camp body until one or both are healthy.

 

 

Of course, Vitale is more athletic, more versatile, younger. I simply meant it's pretty obvious how they plan on using the TE. I doubt we see a whole lot of I form, traditional 21 type of power football. Bohannon is another guy who is freakishly athletic. Ran a 4.6 40 at the veterans combine(4.88 at the rookie combine, so he's remade his body). If Vitale's nickname is muscles, not sure what his would be as he's just huge).

 

If Vitale's calf ends up being a little more serious, it wouldn't surprise me if they went with Bohannon though. He's familiar with the offense and a pretty well established player in this league and while he's not as fluid as Vitale, he can do everything they want him to.

 

 

So my point isn't really that he's gonna make the team, it's more about what they're gonna use the FB for and also it should be mentioned, Gute's already showing he's willing to go out and sign veterans and make more in-season moves. This isn't a huge signing or anything, but a couple guys go down and he's willing to bring in a guy who's started for 5 years in the league.

[nodakfan17]

Dak Prescott apparently rejected a $30 million / year offer from the Cowboys and wants $40 million / per year. It will be fun watching the Cowboys implode.

[homer]

From today's JSOnline:

 

"But the bulk of LaFleur’s offense is based on the scheme getting receivers open quickly, and getting the ball out faster than Rodgers had the last few years. And that’s been evident in practice watching Rodgers and his backups, DeShone Kizer and Tim Boyle."

 

LOVE this. I am really looking forward to watching a quick hitting offense for a change. With Rodgers release this could be really fun. Like 2nd half of last year's first game with the Bears except all season long.

[KeithStone53151]

Dak Prescott apparently rejected a $30 million / year offer from the Cowboys and wants $40 million / per year. It will be fun watching the Cowboys implode.

 

Bahahaha, I wish he'd take it. It would be almost as hilarious as the Jay Cutler extension...

[HiAndTight]

From today's JSOnline:

 

"But the bulk of LaFleur’s offense is based on the scheme getting receivers open quickly, and getting the ball out faster than Rodgers had the last few years. And that’s been evident in practice watching Rodgers and his backups, DeShone Kizer and Tim Boyle."

 

LOVE this. I am really looking forward to watching a quick hitting offense for a change. With Rodgers release this could be really fun. Like 2nd half of last year's first game with the Bears except all season long.

 

 

This has been one of the frustrating things about Rodgers. When he's injured or when he's forced to do this because of the score, THAT is when the offense is at it's best. When he passes up that 5-6 yard completion-the type that Brady makes his living on-and instead tries to scramble and go for a big play, that's not only when he's more susceptible to injury, but it just takes the offense out of its rhythm. I believe McCarthy wanted the same thing, I just think things got stale there. Same with running the ball. I think MM wanted to run it more, Rodgers just audibled out.

 

 

But your example of the Bears game is great, the games he played with a bad ankle/calf like the playoff game vs the Cowboys for instance, another game in which he was getting the ball out. This is how you make it through 16 games and how you can extend your career.

 

Of course he's had a great deal of success with the extended play, but I think he'll have more if he can incorporate the quick hitters into the game that much more.

[HiAndTight]

Dak Prescott apparently rejected a $30 million / year offer from the Cowboys and wants $40 million / per year. It will be fun watching the Cowboys implode.

 

Bahahaha, I wish he'd take it. It would be almost as hilarious as the Jay Cutler extension...

 

 

The 40 million was apparently disputed, but regardless it does sound like he wants to be paid 35 million a year. So....yeah, good luck with that Cowboys fans. It's tough enough to win with an elite QB making 35 million a year. Now pay it to a guy who's probably somewhere between 10-15 in the NFL at QB and you're going to have a hard time. Especially when you have Zeke coming up and Cooper coming up. Cooper is going to get 18 million a year or so if he plays at all like last year and I don't know how the Cowboys can NOT pay Zeke when he's the focal point of their offense and still just 24 years old. And how much worse is Dak going to be without Zeke behind him?

 

 

I'm not a big fan of Stephen A Smith, but he's not wrong about the Cowboys. They're an accident waiting to happen.

[HiAndTight]

Add Kingsley Keke to the list of guys getting some pub. Maybe take J'Mon Moore off that list.

 

 

I really thought Keke looked good in his first game.

 

My opinion of J'mon Moore has not changed. I don't know how you keep Moore with all the depth and potential they've shown at WR'er. Lazard and Shepard now? Oops, you made a bad pick with your 4th round pick. But you picked good WR'ers in the 5th and 6th, so just move on from that mistake.

[FVBrewerFan]

Add Kingsley Keke to the list of guys getting some pub. Maybe take J'Mon Moore off that list.

 

 

I really thought Keke looked good in his first game.

 

My opinion of J'mon Moore has not changed. I don't know how you keep Moore with all the depth and potential they've shown at WR'er. Lazard and Shepard now? Oops, you made a bad pick with your 4th round pick. But you picked good WR'ers in the 5th and 6th, so just move on from that mistake.

 

Yea, even if he was a 1st round pick hard to justify keeping him. (But then at least you could make a case.) Problem is, it's not a matter of perfecting routes, gaining muscle, etc. He has the drops, and I don't now where you go from there. He can improve in that area, but you'll always be waiting and wondering when it happens again. Was the knock against him coning out, and he's in his 2nd year now. Best case for him, find an injury in the next couple weeks and stash on the IR for a year. Then maybe lightning strikes and his hands are like glue next year, stranger things have happened.

[homer]

Apparently Burks' injury does not require surgery. He's day to day. Great news. Of course this could be the kind of thing that lasts until week 6 but still...beats the whole season.

 

[CheezWizHed]

I'm not sure how Kizer looked solid. He had one good drive and he runs well. Boyle had a much shorter stint but made many more plays. He at deserves to flip/flop with Kizer and play with the 2s to compare apples to apples. But his arm looks WAY better. Kizer might need to watch Wilkins. If he shows enough, it might be worth dumping Kizer, leaving Rodgers/Boyle on the active list and Wilkins on the practice squad.

[OnTheBlack]

I'm not sure how Kizer looked solid. He had one good drive and he runs well. Boyle had a much shorter stint but made many more plays. He at deserves to flip/flop with Kizer and play with the 2s to compare apples to apples. But his arm looks WAY better. Kizer might need to watch Wilkins. If he shows enough, it might be worth dumping Kizer, leaving Rodgers/Boyle on the active list and Wilkins on the practice squad.

 

 

Well, to be fair, "solid," isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. I did say that I thought Boyle made some really nice throws. But for instance, Kizer threw a couple balls into very tight window's early in the game, one to Kumerow, he made a really nice play to step up, avoid pressure and get the ball to Shepard on a play that Boyle likely doesn't make.

 

But I don't know if Kizer can consistently hit that throw that Boyle made, that lazer to Lazard for 25-30 yards. Problem is, it looked like he locked in on him right away and you're usually going to at least have a single high safety giving help on the inside. But without getting to watch the coaches tape and just watching the video, it's a little hard to see if he's looking off a safety and then coming back to him. It's all pretty superficial at this point.

 

I don't really have a strong opinion on either at this point. Kizer was a guy who looked like he would be a future potential 2nd day pick if not a 1st day pick had he stayed at ND longer. Then went to an absolute dumpster fire of a situation and I'm sure lost a lot of confidence. So I'm sure there's still a little biased baked into Kizer. He still has a whole lot of ability to be a really good NFL QB.

 

But you say you like Boyle better, I wouldn't really argue with you. Particularly with LeFleur's quick hitting, Rhythm offense that relies on a quick release. Kizer's mobility isn't as much of a factor there and neither have shown great accuracy.

 

We'll see. I'm sure Boyle will be given some run with the fringe starters/2nd unit and guys like Kumerow, St. Brown and others. Just observations from one pre-season game with an offense that is still very much a work in progress.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm not sure how Kizer looked solid. He had one good drive and he runs well. Boyle had a much shorter stint but made many more plays. He at deserves to flip/flop with Kizer and play with the 2s to compare apples to apples. But his arm looks WAY better. Kizer might need to watch Wilkins. If he shows enough, it might be worth dumping Kizer, leaving Rodgers/Boyle on the active list and Wilkins on the practice squad.

 

Going 8/11 or whatever in the preseason really means nothing to me. Hundley was a preseason hero and someone we were supposed to trade to start somewhere for a draft pick. I'm with you, and again, I think Kizer is going to get cut. He was McCarthy's little project and this staff has no emotional connection to him. I don't know that Boyle is any good either, but I can't see them keeping two backup QBs active when both are just guys and everyone knows if Rodgers gets hurt they're toast anyway. If QB2 was actually a guy with real experience then maybe, but I will be pretty surprised if both are kept.

[KeithStone53151]

Apparently Burks' injury does not require surgery. He's day to day. Great news. Of course this could be the kind of thing that lasts until week 6 but still...beats the whole season.

 

 

This could be a game changer. And if he misses a couple weeks, it will be good for someone else to get a bunch of experience before moving to a backup role.

[HiAndTight]

I'm not sure how Kizer looked solid. He had one good drive and he runs well. Boyle had a much shorter stint but made many more plays. He at deserves to flip/flop with Kizer and play with the 2s to compare apples to apples. But his arm looks WAY better. Kizer might need to watch Wilkins. If he shows enough, it might be worth dumping Kizer, leaving Rodgers/Boyle on the active list and Wilkins on the practice squad.

 

 

Watch him do what? He's not beating Kizer out. If the Packers think that Boyle's a better fit for this offense than Kizer, sure, Wilkins may be here and Kizer may be gone, but it's almost definitely not going to be because Wilkins even comes close to beating Kizer out.

 

 

You guys need to look a bit deeper here on Kizer. He's younger than Wilkins just for the record. Not that big of a deal, but the point is he's still just 23 years old. He was a very good College QB(came out after playing just two years and was). Had some big moments like nearly beating Clemson in '15 on a TD with 7 that would have likely made it a tie game if not for a missed PAT. He was drafted in the 2nd round, projected as a 1st/2nd round pick and compared to Steve McNair because of a cannon for an arm and some athletic ability. Of COURSE coaches are going to get excited about that.

 

The knocks on him coming out were that he relied too much on his natural ability, his strong arm and that he needed to develop a feel for the game and several reports even said he should sit for a while. Instead, at 21 he's thrown into the starting lineup for the Browns...the team that nearly had back to back winless seasons. One of-if not THE worst rosters in NFL history. And he predictably struggled. The worst thing you can do with a young QB who's got a lot of talent but is not NFL ready is to throw him in right away, especially on a bad team. It's the reason a lot of QB's flameout, guys like David Carr..a guy who was probably better than his brother, yet he was sacked 140-150 times in two years with an expansion team and never recovered.

 

 

I'm not sure how anyone can have formed a strong opinion on either of the legitimate QB options at this point. Both made some nice throws. Both actually made some dangerous throws for their WR'ers. Boyle has a strong arm, yet to see a lot of touch, but he does look like he can throw the ball pretty well.

 

 

But solid, decent, meh, they both looked like young QB's with some talent playing with and against guys who are unlikely to play much in actual NFL games.

 

Quibbling over "decent" for a quy who went 8-11 for...what, 110 yards and 1 TD. What do you call that? That's not decent?

 

 

 

Hundley was a preseason hero and someone we were supposed to trade to start somewhere for a draft pick.

 

 

This has nothing to do with Kizer. Hundley came in and had a really nice pre-season in his 1st or 2nd year in GB, then struggled and missed pre-season games the last couple years and then the Packers DID trade him for a draft pick.

 

But Hundley was not ranked nearly as high as a prospect coming out of college as Kizer was.

 

You could just as easily play devils advocate and say, "remember when everyone was so excited about Joe Callahan and was upset when the Saints claimed him?" That's got nothing to do with Boyle...other than they were both white QB's who were undrafted and little was expected from but for some reason became crowd favorites in GB.

 

Going 8/11 or whatever in the preseason really means nothing to me.

 

I don't think it means all that much to anyone other than the guys who have the coaches tape and can accurately access his reads and his decision making. But...Boyle went 3-5 for 40 yards and 2 TD's, one of the two was on a drive of 6 plays, 3 yards.

 

I think Kizer is going to get cut. He was McCarthy's little project and this staff has no emotional connection to him.

 

I don't think they make a lost of roster decisions based on emotional ties. Though...if they did, the GM who traded for Kizer a year ago is still the Packers GM.

 

 

 

I don't particularly care who they go with at backup QB as the Packers are in trouble either way, but it feels as though it's getting lost that the guy people are writing off as the "bust" in Kizer is actually over a year younger, more physically talented and played at a FBS school while Boyle is older, played at Eastern Kentucky and just feels like this years "UDFA fan favorite."

[HiAndTight]

Apparently Burks' injury does not require surgery. He's day to day. Great news. Of course this could be the kind of thing that lasts until week 6 but still...beats the whole season.

 

 

This could be a game changer. And if he misses a couple weeks, it will be good for someone else to get a bunch of experience before moving to a backup role.

 

 

This could be, but I think it could be almost as important to get Summers and Bolton on the field earlier.

 

I'm guessing we won't see Burks until week 3-4 as this seems like an injury that'll take a while to completely heal, but it could provide a nice boost and some fresh legs when the rookies are starting to get a little beat up(if it does in fact take that long).