2019-08-02: Brewers (Davies) at Cubs (Quintana) [Brewers lose, 6-2]

[KeithStone53151]

Also, imagine a world where we didn't bring back Moustakas and were stuck with Shaw starting everyday at 3b? Or imagine we don't bring in Grandal, and Pina is mediocre/gets hurt and we are rolling with Nottingham everyday?

[treego14]

Other than Schoop, I thought he did a good job last year.

 

Releasing Miley ... yuck!

Trading Santana for a backup ... yuck!

Not making a move to cover for Knebel and Jeffress due to injuries at the start of the season ... yuck!

 

Did he do all he could to retain our pitching coach from last season?

 

1. The Brewers don't have unlimited money, hindsight is 20/20

2. Santana has 0.9 WAR as a full time player this year while Gamel as a backup has 0.4 WAR. Also that pitching prospect we received has had a very solid season.

3. The Brewers don't have unlimited money.

 

It's really easy to sit on your computer and say "why don't we have 7 Josh Haders, 5 Max Scherzers, and 9 Christian Yelich's".....

Miley was cheap!

Santana > Gamel (not even close)

The Brewers have some money to cover for Knebel/Jeffress if they want to be proactive and smart.

 

MLB is screwed up with the revenue inequities, but Stearns is not a genius and has been very so-so this past year-plus.

[homer]

Problem with Stearns is that the Brewers have literally no excess prospect capital to deal at this point. That's why I was kind of hoping they'd trade off Moose and Grandal although maybe they tried and didn't think the return was worth it.

[adambr2]

It will be really interesting to see where we are a year from now. A year ago, we were looking at Stearns like he was gold. Right now, I think a lot of opinions are changing and maybe rightfully so.

 

The more I look at his body of work, I see him as an outstanding offseason GM and a poor in-season GM.

 

Other than Schoop, I thought he did a good job last year.

 

He was ok. Schoop was very bad. Moose was ok, nothing special. Same with Soria. The Granderson and Gio moves were fine. They just are the same moves every GM makes or made in late August and for the limited time they were here they just don't do much to move the needle.

 

This year the trade deadline was pretty bad, the Nelson service time situation was bungled badly in early June, and around the same time, the decision to send Hiura back down despite his performance and bring Shaw back up was exactly when the season started to turn.

 

The Lucroy deal was clearly the crown jewel of his in-season moves, but I don't really see anything beyond that during the season for him to really hang his hat on.

[homer]

Bottomline, Santana has 20 plus homeruns and 70 plus RBI ... hitting in 270's, 280's all season ... borderline all-star candidate again this season.

 

You have a forgiving borderline.

[Bulldogboy]

This team is just not that good.

When it's all said and done this is a fact. Has been all season. This is why the deadline was no big deal. They can't win with what they have. The talk needs to shift to how do they fix it?

[trwi7]

Also, imagine a world where we didn't bring back Moustakas and were stuck with Shaw starting everyday at 3b? Or imagine we don't bring in Grandal, and Pina is mediocre/gets hurt and we are rolling with Nottingham everyday?

 

I can imagine it. It's called the year 2020.

[HarveysWBs]

 

Releasing Miley ... yuck!

Trading Santana for a backup ... yuck!

Not making a move to cover for Knebel and Jeffress due to injuries at the start of the season ... yuck!

 

Santana is literally the worst OF in the majors. He's piss poor. I wish they would have gotten more (even though I like Gamel), but I'm glad he's gone.

 

I went down this road here before (with you?), but Santana is not that bad in the OF in my opinion ... they put him in LF in a new ballpark at the start of the season this year -- he had multiple errors; he's been fine since going back to RF. LF in Safeco Ballpark is rough for many guys from what I have read.

 

Bottomline, Santana has 20 plus homeruns and 70 plus RBI ... hitting in 270's, 280's all season ... borderline all-star candidate again this season.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santado01-field.shtml

 

Go there, look at those fielding numbers for either right field or left, and tell me how he’s supposed to be a serious outfielder for a contending club. Seattle isn’t contending, so they’re playing him in the outfield. He should DH all day every day for the rest of his career. There is no DH in the NL, and when the Brewers were playing him every day, it was when they didn’t expect to contend but unexpectedly did. And they missed the playoffs narrowly. Arguably, a better fielder out there may have made the difference. I will never regret the Santana deal, not for one moment.

[adambr2]

Go to your pen Joe, do it.

[KeithStone53151]

Also, imagine a world where we didn't bring back Moustakas and were stuck with Shaw starting everyday at 3b? Or imagine we don't bring in Grandal, and Pina is mediocre/gets hurt and we are rolling with Nottingham everyday?

 

I can imagine it. It's called the year 2020.

 

I think 3b will be ok. Often guys have down years and then really buckle down the following offseason. So maybe Shaw gets it in gear for 2020. Catcher is a bit of a different story, but we'll have some $ available to sign someone. Fair point though...

[KeithStone53151]

Go to your pen Joe, do it.

 

Yup, those were massive...massive AB's. Now the pen has to cover 2 innings...and whoever comes in is coming in to a dirty inning.

[treego14]

Bottomline, Santana has 20 plus homeruns and 70 plus RBI ... hitting in 270's, 280's all season ... borderline all-star candidate again this season.

 

You have a forgiving borderline.

Oh, yeah ... I forgot that Gamel with his .250 average and little pop is the same thing.

[brewmann04]

500 team at best

[treego14]

This year the trade deadline was pretty bad, the Nelson service time situation was bungled badly in early June, and around the same time, the decision to send Hiura back down despite his performance and bring Shaw back up was exactly when the season started to turn.

 

Very valid point!

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Bottomline, Santana has 20 plus homeruns and 70 plus RBI ... hitting in 270's, 280's all season ... borderline all-star candidate again this season.

 

You have a forgiving borderline.

Oh, yeah ... I forgot that Gamel with his .250 average and little pop is the same thing.

 

Yeah, completely disregard the prospect pitcher they also got, because it doesn't fit your narrative.

[Brewcrewin07]

Stearns's biggest flaw this far as GM is not paying for pitching. This is why i have said, the Brewers need to change their philosophy. It's pretty obvious they aren't going to develop TOR arms other than once in a blue moon, and you can't keep signing bottom of the barrel guys for the rotation. They need to spend all the money possible in FA to at least bring in ONE stud to anchor the rotation and fill in with as many value bats as you can find, and hope it works. That's the ONLY way I can ever see them winning a World Series under Stearns.

[adambr2]

Holy moly is Pina slow.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think the mediocrity of this team is far beyond its fortunes turning on sending Hiura down when they shouldn't have.

[homer]

Bottomline, Santana has 20 plus homeruns and 70 plus RBI ... hitting in 270's, 280's all season ... borderline all-star candidate again this season.

 

You have a forgiving borderline.

Oh, yeah ... I forgot that Gamel with his .250 average and little pop is the same thing.

 

You're moving the goalposts. Santana was not a borderline all star.

[KeithStone53151]

I can live with that AB by Pina. Run in, GIDP no longer in play for Arcia, and closing in on the top of the order...

[homer]

I think the mediocrity of this team is far beyond its fortunes turning on sending Hiura down when they shouldn't have.

 

yeah I said at the time I wouldn't get excited unless they significantly upgraded the pitching.

[HarveysWBs]

Yeah, completely disregard the prospect pitcher they also got, because it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown.

[trwi7]

Go there, look at those fielding numbers for either right field or left, and tell me how he’s supposed to be a serious outfielder for a contending club. Seattle isn’t contending, so they’re playing him in the outfield. He should DH all day every day for the rest of his career. There is no DH in the NL, and when the Brewers were playing him every day, it was when they didn’t expect to contend but unexpectedly did. And they missed the playoffs narrowly. Arguably, a better fielder out there may have made the difference. I will never regret the Santana deal, not for one moment.

 

He was a +6 DRS in the corners last year, so while he's been bad this year he's probably not that bad overall and while he was really good last year, he's probably not that good. The truth is somewhere in the middle and he's playable in the corners in that middle ground.

 

I'll say I didn't like the deal and still don't. Sold low on him and got a mediocre 4th outfielder and a pitcher whose absolute best case scenario is Zach Davies but probably not even that because Davies was posting a 2.5 WAR season in the majors at the age Zavolas is now.

[Bulldogboy]

I think the mediocrity of this team is far beyond its fortunes turning on sending Hiura down when they shouldn't have.

At the time it seemed like a huge deal but looking at it now this is true.

[adambr2]

Well that was disappointing. Our pitching staff doesn't let a little wind stop them from giving up a couple dingers and 6 runs.