Eulogy for 2019

[Brew crew 92]

I think they still have a run in them..... but I think it will be too little too late.

 

Agree and disagree.

 

Team just needs to be within striking distance come September.

 

The brewers run will be in September, when the rosters expand and Woodruff is back.

 

Grisham and Freitas And Yelich And Hiura will lead the offense and Woodruff the rotation. The bullpen should be potentially monstrous with Nelson Suter Houser Peralta Faria Devin Black Hader Pomeranz.

 

Imo, the brewers should win the central, unless, Stearns continues with roster mismanagement and Counsell keeps making terrible decisions with the pitching staff. September expansion of the roster should Stearns/Counsell proof the team enough to squeak by.

[TURBO]

stop posting opinions as facts.

 

*sigh*

[Brew crew 92]

stop posting opinions as facts.

 

*sigh*

 

Was that really necessary?

 

Of course it’s an opinion. And everyone knows it’s my opinion except you apparently.

[long ball]

If the Brewers are able to make it into September within a 3 games of a playoff spot (and not 4 teams between them and the 2nd wc) I like their chances.

 

Really tough schedule coming up though after this weekend. Mid-late September is rather soft and expanded rosters is when CC really shines.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

If they were to win tonight with a Cubs loss they'd be closer to first place than they were last year at this time. They fell 6 games back of first on 8/28. 3.5 back as late as 9/18.

 

That was a historic finish, but as average as this team has looked and how average this field is, this thing definitely isn't over.

[brewerfan82]

stop posting opinions as facts.

 

*sigh*

 

Was that really necessary?

 

Of course it’s an opinion. And everyone knows it’s my opinion except you apparently.

I think he's trying to suggest a softer tone to your posts. Whether you mean to or not, the assertive nature of your posts comes off as patronizing and combative. When you phrase opinions as fact, it sounds like you're telling people that they are wrong and that there isn't room for discussion, so there's naturally some push back from those reading what are often otherwise reasonable and welcomed opinions.

[Brew crew 92]

stop posting opinions as facts.

 

*sigh*

 

Was that really necessary?

 

Of course it’s an opinion. And everyone knows it’s my opinion except you apparently.

I think he's trying to suggest a softer tone to your posts. Whether you mean to or not, the assertive nature of your posts comes off as patronizing and combative. When you phrase opinions as fact, it sounds like you're telling people that they are wrong and that there isn't room for discussion, so there's naturally some push back from those reading what are often otherwise reasonable and welcomed opinions.

 

Ok, thanks, I appreciate the feedback.

[DHonks]

Only 3 games back entering the day, and not playing our best ball. Win 12 in a row and that locks up the division

[Ennder]

Sometime in the past 5-6 years a glut of uber pessimistic posters came to the site and it just makes it hard to take it stomach coming here. It is unfortunate but it is true. There is still a plenty good shot at the Brewers making the playoffs this year, saying it is over is just silly. They have to play well which in a small sample like 50ish games any team in baseball can do. They haven't put themselves in a great spot but if the season ended today they would be a wild card team, no reason that can't hold the rest of the season.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Sometime in the past 5-6 years a glut of uber pessimistic posters came to the site and it just makes it hard to take it stomach coming here. It is unfortunate but it is true. There is still a plenty good shot at the Brewers making the playoffs this year, saying it is over is just silly. They have to play well which in a small sample like 50ish games any team in baseball can do. They haven't put themselves in a great spot but if the season ended today they would be a wild card team, no reason that can't hold the rest of the season.

 

It is due to the modicum of success they've had for the last decade. The city would be on fire with this kind of season in the mid 2000s. It's gotten a lot more people, and younger fans, involved with the Brewers, which is great. But one of the effects of that is going to be what you're talking about. People whose real experience with the team date back to 2011 or 2018 want people fired with anything short of that kind of success.

 

You've seen this for a very long time, perhaps more justified, with Green Bay. When the team was in the playoffs for 8 straight years and getting to NFCCGs, it wasn't enough. Calls for firings, people "sick of the same old thing," etc. There was a time in their history as well when people just wanted a .500 team, but with a little bit of success the masses demand more.

[patrickgpe]

YES! for a team TIED for the 2nd wildcard, there are alot of negative people here. There was a period from 93-07 that I would be so excited I couldn't contain myself to be in this position. I know there were high expectations coming into this year and last year killed us but for so many people giving up on the season is crazy.

 

I won't say that I haven't been down on their chances this season at some points and I can't say I am not disappointed in how the season has been so far as a whole, but still we are in the race and I'd rather focus on that then 2020 or figuring out where things went wrong this year, or whatever people are fixated on these days.

[willie key]

YES! for a team TIED for the 2nd wildcard, there are alot of negative people here. There was a period from 93-07 that I would be so excited I couldn't contain myself to be in this position. I know there were high expectations coming into this year and last year killed us but for so many people giving up on the season is crazy.

 

I won't say that I haven't been down on their chances this season at some points and I can't say I am not disappointed in how the season has been so far as a whole, but still we are in the race and I'd rather focus on that then 2020 or figuring out where things went wrong this year, or whatever people are fixated on these days.

 

 

The bolded part I do agree with

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Sometime in the past 5-6 years a glut of uber pessimistic posters came to the site and it just makes it hard to take it stomach coming here. It is unfortunate but it is true. There is still a plenty good shot at the Brewers making the playoffs this year, saying it is over is just silly. They have to play well which in a small sample like 50ish games any team in baseball can do. They haven't put themselves in a great spot but if the season ended today they would be a wild card team, no reason that can't hold the rest of the season.

 

5-6 years? It seems like 5-6 months! The uber pessimists are mostly pretty new. I think a lot of it has to do with not only increased interest, but higher expectations. Many of the fans on the bandwagon can't understand why the bullpen isn't shutting teams down like it did last year. They just didn't pay attention as closely during the years where the bullpen looked and performed very similar to what they are doing this year, because the expectations just weren't there.

[FVBrewerFan]

Sometime in the past 5-6 years a glut of uber pessimistic posters came to the site and it just makes it hard to take it stomach coming here. It is unfortunate but it is true. There is still a plenty good shot at the Brewers making the playoffs this year, saying it is over is just silly. They have to play well which in a small sample like 50ish games any team in baseball can do. They haven't put themselves in a great spot but if the season ended today they would be a wild card team, no reason that can't hold the rest of the season.

 

5-6 years? It seems like 5-6 months! The uber pessimists are mostly pretty new. I think a lot of it has to do with not only increased interest, but higher expectations. Many of the fans on the bandwagon can't understand why the bullpen isn't shutting teams down like it did last year. They just didn't pay attention as closely during the years where the bullpen looked and performed very similar to what they are doing this year, because the expectations just weren't there.

 

Seriously? Rather ironic someone posted this a couple days ago:

 

The offense has given up...........These guys have checked out. Time to let the youngsters play, and see what you have going into next year.

 

You can't get much more pessimistic than saying players have given up and aren't trying to compete.

[Oxy]

Every time the Brewers become good for a year a new batch of baseball fans is born...often times, the first real experience being a baseball fan and following a team is the stretch run of that good year when the town is excited and the ballpark is exciting and it's the playoffs! and We've won 13 in a row and wow are we good...our pitchers strike everybody out and we have the MVP and NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE EVEN BETTER!!!

 

Then the next year comes. And by July the team has played a whopping 81 games and the season is only HALF over. In that half of a season every single player on the team has alreadybeen in a slump at some point and sucked at baseball and the team has gone on multiple winning streaks and multiple losing streaks and OMG are the last two games we only got 4 hits so the offense is horrible and STearns should be ashamed and then the next week comes and Chase Anderson is not only not the worst pitcher in the league anymore now he's and ACE to be relled upon and then we make some dumb trades and then its AUGUST...so hot....and we are actually in the Wild Card spot and there is still 50 games left and oh god Baseball is boring.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Sometime in the past 5-6 years a glut of uber pessimistic posters came to the site and it just makes it hard to take it stomach coming here. It is unfortunate but it is true. There is still a plenty good shot at the Brewers making the playoffs this year, saying it is over is just silly. They have to play well which in a small sample like 50ish games any team in baseball can do. They haven't put themselves in a great spot but if the season ended today they would be a wild card team, no reason that can't hold the rest of the season.

 

5-6 years? It seems like 5-6 months! The uber pessimists are mostly pretty new. I think a lot of it has to do with not only increased interest, but higher expectations. Many of the fans on the bandwagon can't understand why the bullpen isn't shutting teams down like it did last year. They just didn't pay attention as closely during the years where the bullpen looked and performed very similar to what they are doing this year, because the expectations just weren't there.

 

Seriously? Rather ironic someone posted this a couple days ago:

 

The offense has given up...........These guys have checked out. Time to let the youngsters play, and see what you have going into next year.

 

You can't get much more pessimistic than saying players have given up and aren't trying to compete.

 

Yep, I did say that. I'll own it. They were playing like crap, and I was at my wits end watching the offense flail away against a pitcher they should have hit. Wish I hadn't typed that, but I did. They've played better lately. I think everyone goes through stretches where they get down watching this team. I think I've been here long enough to say that I rarely get down on this team, but thanks for the ultimate judging post! Seems pretty petty to search out the one time I've gone negative.

 

The uber pessimists, as pointed out, are negative on everything, all the time.

[pacopete4]

 

Seriously? Rather ironic someone posted this a couple days ago:

 

The offense has given up...........These guys have checked out. Time to let the youngsters play, and see what you have going into next year.

 

You can't get much more pessimistic than saying players have given up and aren't trying to compete.

 

Yep, I did say that. I'll own it. They were playing like crap, and I was at my wits end watching the offense flail away against a pitcher they should have hit. They've played better lately. I think everyone goes through stretches where they get down watching this team. I think I've been here long enough to say that I rarely get down on this team, but thanks for the ultimate judging post! Seems pretty petty to search out the one time I've gone negative.

 

The uber pessimists, as pointed out, are negative on everything, all the time.

 

In my opinion, you didn’t even have to defend yourself here. I think it’s a pretty ridiculous attempt at a call out. It wasn’t what you we’re trying to point out in your first post to this topic. Everyone has negativity towards the team at some point and you’ll probably get to that point again as we stop playing the lowly Pirates now. Could dig up plenty from all posters including myself. Your last sentence is exactly dead on though.

[TigerUppercut]

YES! for a team TIED for the 2nd wildcard, there are alot of negative people here. There was a period from 93-07 that I would be so excited I couldn't contain myself to be in this position. I know there were high expectations coming into this year and last year killed us but for so many people giving up on the season is crazy.

 

I won't say that I haven't been down on their chances this season at some points and I can't say I am not disappointed in how the season has been so far as a whole, but still we are in the race and I'd rather focus on that then 2020 or figuring out where things went wrong this year, or whatever people are fixated on these days.

 

I remember fist pumping while crying like a baby in 2005 when the Crew won their 81st game, their final win of the year, thinking how proud I was of that scrappy group. Fast forward to 2019, and the flaming pitchforks would be aplenty for a group that disappointing.

[clancyphile]

We've come a long way from 2002.

 

In 2003, I was grateful because Ned Yost had given the team a new attitude. Yeah, they lost a lot more than they won, but there was a real sense something had changed.

[RollieTime]

We've come a long way from 2002.

 

In 2003, I was grateful because Ned Yost had given the team a new attitude. Yeah, they lost a lot more than they won, but there was a real sense something had changed.

 

I wish we still had Yost. He had his flaws, but I really enjoyed how passionate he was about the game and standing up for his guys. I’m not a big fan of Counsell at all in that regard. He frequently looks bored and uninterested in what’s going on. There are times where the team is struggling or drawing the short straw on every call during a game and he doesn’t stand up for the guys.

 

Not saying he should get thrown out all the time, but when you go through a 5 game losing streak, or your pitchers have been getting pinched on the corners the last few games, or the offense is non-existent, showing the guys you stand up for them goes a long way. It could give your guys the spark they’ve been lacking.

 

This probably won’t go over well with some people, but Counsell and Ken Macha are very similar in my opinion in how they carry themselves during games. I really don’t like managers that have that lack of interest, passive attitude, who don’t stand up for their guys.

[MrTPlush]

Someday there is going to be someone searching "2019 World Series Champions" and be really confused when this thread pops up.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

There are ways to stand up for people that don't involve throwing things, screaming at umpires and shouting profanity. Until a player says Counsell doesn't stand up for his players, that kind of criticism holds zero weight imo.

[Baldkin]

There are ways to stand up for people that don't involve throwing things, screaming at umpires and shouting profanity. Until a player says Counsell doesn't stand up for his players, that kind of criticism holds zero weight imo.

 

Yep. Counsell has been here for 4.5 years, and one player that I can recall said anything bad about him/management publicly (Tyler Cravy). He's been amazingly supportive and gotten buy in from guys, even if their roles got reduced or they were platooning.

[clancyphile]

There are ways to stand up for people that don't involve throwing things, screaming at umpires and shouting profanity. Until a player says Counsell doesn't stand up for his players, that kind of criticism holds zero weight imo.

 

Yep. Counsell has been here for 4.5 years, and one player that I can recall said anything bad about him/management publicly (Tyler Cravy). He's been amazingly supportive and gotten buy in from guys, even if their roles got reduced or they were platooning.

 

Counsell's supremely good at getting far more than the sum of the parts from the 25 players on the roster (well, until rosters expand in September).

[sveumrules]

You ever been to a funeral & the body starts crawling out of the casket?