2019-08-01: Brewers (Anderson) at Athletics (Bailey) 2:37 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 5-3 -- Trent Grisham’s MLB Debut; Bullpen blows lead by allowing 4 runs over final 2 innings]

[BruisedCrew]

Say Arcia plays 8 or 9 out of 10 games. How much does starting Moose or Shaw at SS hurt you for 1-2 games out of 10?

 

1-2 games.

 

But, since they actually tried Aguilar at third once or twice it isn’t out of the question. Part of the problem is that having a SS who covers a lot of ground, and serves as the rover in the shifts, covers up for weak fielding 2B and/or 3B. A SS with little range and a weak arm could cause a lot of problems.

[KeithStone53151]

 

If he's comparable to Gamel, he's a guy you can spot start once in a while in CF but you really don't want to be playing him there. Also reports across the board are that he has a bad arm, so putting him in RF is a pretty significant liability.

[willie key]

Say Arcia plays 8 or 9 out of 10 games. How much does starting Moose or Shaw at SS hurt you for 1-2 games out of 10?

 

 

Having a .150 hitter play out of position. Especially shortstop in major league baseball, hurts me real bad.

 

Just the thought of it and my knee blew out. and If they actually do it, Im going to need tiger woods fusion back surgery.

[markedman5]

Say Arcia plays 8 or 9 out of 10 games. How much does starting Moose or Shaw at SS hurt you for 1-2 games out of 10?

 

Hard to quantify......in any game a crucial play that isn't made could be the difference......or not......I just don't think they are going to be comfortable double switching without a true backup SS.......but we will see.

[willie key]

 

Todd Rosiak's batting stance sucks

[brewerfan82]

I'm still a fan of Shaw and think he's a big part of this team moving forward, but right now he's a really awkward fit on the roster:

 

C Grandal (S) / Pina ®

1B Thames (L) / Braun ® / Shaw (L)

2B Hiura ® / Shaw (L)

3B Moustakas (L) / Shaw (L)

SS Arcia ®

LF Braun ® / Grisham (L)

CF Cain ® / Gamel (L)

RF Yelich (L)

 

Swapping him out for Perez (who as noted is batting well in AAA - .360/.435/.680/1.115 with 5 HRs post-AS break) really evens out the roster a ton.

 

C Grandal (S) / Pina ®

1B Thames (L) / Braun ® / Grandal (S)

2B Hiura ® / Perez ®

3B Moustakas (L) / Perez ®

SS Arcia ® / Perez ®

LF Braun ® / Grisham (L)

CF Cain ® / Gamel (L)

RF Yelich (L) / Perez ®

[markedman5]

 

If he's comparable to Gamel, he's a guy you can spot start once in a while in CF but you really don't want to be playing him there. Also reports across the board are that he has a bad arm, so putting him in RF is a pretty significant liability.

 

Gamel has done fine when playing center.......Grisham isn't going to replace Cain full time and Yelich is your right fielder......so he will likely see most of his time in left.....but has the ability to move around if needed,

 

It will be ok... ..Yelich doesn't have a strong arm and either does Cain.

[SeaBass]

The love for freaking Shaw.

He's had seven at bats. Seven. Let's all get super irrational over it.

 

Meanwhile, Hiura just recently suffered an 0 for 9 before hitting a double yesterday. Where are they handing out the torches and pitchforks?

[pacopete4]

Say you put Moose at SS on a day where Chase Anderson pitches and gets 65% of the balls hit being fly balls. I know we can all post dramatic replies but it’d be interesting to know how much it truly matters.

[SRB]

Are we sure Grisham can handle CF? I didn't understand him to be a great OF defender...and Oakland has a pretty big outfield.

 

Maybe we should have traded Gamel yesterday, he seems the odd man out here. Pretty much have Shaw getting the nod over him.

 

I tend to think Grisham might be only up for the day to be honest. Or for a couple days. Gamel isn't going anywhere. I kinda figure on one of him or Shaw getting sent down tomorrow for Perez.

 

I still am a bit concerned with Grisham's defensive ability for the game today...this seems like a bad idea. Would be better to play Yelich in CF and Thames in RF with Braun DH.

 

Dude, based on what? Grisham is a CF prospect and has been playing there all season (88 GS in CF, 3 GS in LF)

[TJseven7]

The love for freaking Shaw.

He's had seven at bats. Seven. Let's all get super irrational over it.

 

Meanwhile, Hiura just recently suffered an 0 for 9 before hitting a double yesterday. Where are they handing out the torches and pitchforks?

 

Batting .333 going into a small cold spell buys you a lot of patience.

 

People are just sick of Shaw being miserable.

[SeaBass]

The love for freaking Shaw.

He's had seven at bats. Seven. Let's all get super irrational over it.

 

Meanwhile, Hiura just recently suffered an 0 for 9 before hitting a double yesterday. Where are they handing out the torches and pitchforks?

 

Batting .333 going into a small cold spell buys you a lot of patience.

 

People are just sick of Shaw being miserable.

And what was Shaw batting in AAA prior to his call up? He was doing well right? And we know AAA numbers are legit because Grisham is going to be amazing.

 

Looking forward to the slanted logic response.

[pitchleague]

Sam Dyson for the Twins today

 

Entered game in 9th with 4-1 lead.

 

14 pitches.

3 hits.

1 run.

a wild pitch that would've scored another run but the ball caromed right back to the catcher.

1 walk

Leaves game with the bases loaded

Didn't retire a batter.

[Oxy]

Brewers have every Thursday off (plus a Monday) from now until September. Arcia should be able to hold down all the meaningful defensive innings if need be, but I still would imagine that Perez will be back soon.

[KeithStone53151]

Dude, based on what? Grisham is a CF prospect and has been playing there all season (88 GS in CF, 3 GS in LF)

 

Anytime I've read anything on his defense, it talks about him taking a lot of bad routes and having a poor arm. I don't have time to dig up links. We'll see how he looks out there, but i'm a bit surprised they are playing him in CF...especially in such a big park. PCL has a lot of smaller parks which probably helps a bit.

 

Also, guys that get the "he could play CF but is better suited for a corner" scouting report never end up starting consistently in CF. Most teams have near GG caliber defender or better in CF. That's just how it works at this level. Even the best potential defensive version of Grisham in CF is probably a bottom 5 defender when compared to the other 29 regular CF at the mlb level. CF, SS, and C are the worst positions to sacrifice defense for offense.

[TJseven7]

And what was Shaw batting in AAA prior to his call up? He was doing well right? And we know AAA numbers are legit because Grisham is going to be amazing.

 

Looking forward to the slanted logic response.

 

Minors numbers are something to get excited about, if you don't produce you don't produce. Shaw came back up and didn't look better than he did in the early season. He's still missing fat FBs.

 

If Grisham sucks for 2 weeks, people who are excited about him will admit he's not ready yet and want him sent back down.

[PinaMadness]

I see Grisham going 5 for 5 with 5 grand slams and 4 web gems.

[Fear The Chorizo]

And what was Shaw batting in AAA prior to his call up? He was doing well right? And we know AAA numbers are legit because Grisham is going to be amazing.

 

Looking forward to the slanted logic response.

 

Shaw had 7 ABs from his last callup, prior to that he had several weeks of crappy production at the MLB level during Hiura's initial undeserved demotion in early June, prior to that Shaw was godawful at the MLB level for 2+ months before hitting the IL with a nagging wrist issue.

 

Shaw's recent AAA production is taken with a grain of salt because he's demonstrated a prolonged lack of production at the MLB level in 2019, and even when he's hitting well he still stinks against LHP. That reduces Shaw's opportunities for consistent MLB at bats on this roster, so if he doesn't mash when he does get a few starts, people are tired of watching him be a black hole in the lineup and he becomes a waste of roster space. Shaw should mash AAA pitching if he's healthy, in fact he should mash MLB RHP if he's healthy regardless of how many at bats he gets - because he is an established MLB player who has proven as much. However, the longer he goes without reminding everyone he can hit well at the MLB level, the smaller his track record of good offensive production looks to both fans and front office folks - Shaw has had a very long leash to get going, if it doesn't turn around with even the limited opportunities he keeps getting when he's put in optimal spots for success it's on him.

 

As for Grisham, he's been putting up video game #'s in AA and AAA for several months now and he's 22 - seeing him excel at his first opportunity in AAA is reason for excitement in his growth as a potential impact offensive player as he develops, while seeing Shaw hit well in AAA is more of a feeling of relief that perhaps he's healthy and can actually contribute at the MLB level.

[brewerfan82]

They need to find an excuse to make a movie about Homer Bailey just so Christian Bale can play him.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Nice to see some patience by Hiura more consistently

[Fear The Chorizo]

and that is awesome by Moose!

[stoutdude04]

Braun IS clutch!

[folly412]

Wonderful AB Braunie. I was expecting a first pitch grounder to short and am pleased to be wrong.

[KeithStone53151]

The Brewers probably don't have an exit velocity over 80 mph, yet we have a run...

[pacopete4]

Braun IS clutch!