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So I guess the rotation "upgrades" are Jordan Lyles and Adrian Houser...Damn what a rotation..Houser, Lyles, Gio, Davies, Chase! That'll strike fear into all of their opponents, for sure! Hang the banner now!

 

That horse is still twitching. You keep on beating that thing until it's a pulp!

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Dubon is 24 and still doesn't mash AAA pitching. Just like when we dealt Phillip's and Cordell, we're giving up nothing.

As a note, Dubon is 25.

 

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You trade dreaming on Dubon's upside for dreaming on Black's upside and Pomeranz's upside in the pen (or maybe once through the order). And at least the new guys are on the mound, where we have the need. Hard to be mad, for me.

 

Also, I did *not* want Bumgarner, so was relieved it wasn't him. I like to like the players on the team. (Miss you already, Jesus.)

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So I guess the rotation "upgrades" are Jordan Lyles and Adrian Houser...Damn what a rotation..Houser, Lyles, Gio, Davies, Chase! That'll strike fear into all of their opponents, for sure! Hang the banner now!

 

38 min to go.

 

They could still get Thor for Grisham straight up.

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So I guess the rotation "upgrades" are Jordan Lyles and Adrian Houser...Damn what a rotation..Houser, Lyles, Gio, Davies, Chase! That'll strike fear into all of their opponents, for sure! Hang the banner now!

 

That horse is still twitching. You keep on beating that thing until it's a pulp!

 

Let me ask you, are you satisfied with the rotation right now?? Is it division winning quality to you?? I'll hang up and listen to your answer

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I like Ray Black. I think they’re solid tools there to work with. But you have to really believe in those 5.1 innings out of the pen from Pomeranz. My problem is with Robert Murray. He really caused blue you know whats with his wording.

 

This...1000%. Don't use the term "significant" for a deal like this. "have an agreement" or anything resembling that is fine, but "significant" is reserved for players like Will Smith or Madison Baumgarner. Can't believe he said that.

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So I guess the rotation "upgrades" are Jordan Lyles and Adrian Houser...Damn what a rotation..Houser, Lyles, Gio, Davies, Chase! That'll strike fear into all of their opponents, for sure! Hang the banner now!

 

That horse is still twitching. You keep on beating that thing until it's a pulp!

 

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So I guess the rotation "upgrades" are Jordan Lyles and Adrian Houser...Damn what a rotation..Houser, Lyles, Gio, Davies, Chase! That'll strike fear into all of their opponents, for sure! Hang the banner now!

 

That horse is still twitching. You keep on beating that thing until it's a pulp!

 

Let me ask you, are you satisfied with the rotation right now?? Is it division winning quality to you?? I'll hang up and listen to your answer

 

I think you should probably hang up and turn off the radio. Maybe take a walk.

 

Am I satisfied? It is what it is. The Brewers possibly don't have the prospect depth to get the high-end starter you seem to crave, and even if they did, they'd be emptying the farm for one guy, when they can probably use two or three. It's a crappy situation to be in, but that's baseball. They need to hope that the fill-in starters perform up to par, the pen reinforcements come in and catch lighting in a bottle, and for gosh sakes, the line-up needs to score some runs. Then we can talk about winning the division.

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So I guess the rotation "upgrades" are Jordan Lyles and Adrian Houser...Damn what a rotation..Houser, Lyles, Gio, Davies, Chase! That'll strike fear into all of their opponents, for sure! Hang the banner now!

 

That horse is still twitching. You keep on beating that thing until it's a pulp!

 

Let me ask you, are you satisfied with the rotation right now?? Is it division winning quality to you?? I'll hang up and listen to your answer

 

Who would you have traded for that the Brewers could realistically trade for that would magically make our mediocre rotation good?

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So I guess the rotation "upgrades" are Jordan Lyles and Adrian Houser...Damn what a rotation..Houser, Lyles, Gio, Davies, Chase! That'll strike fear into all of their opponents, for sure! Hang the banner now!

 

That horse is still twitching. You keep on beating that thing until it's a pulp!

 

Let me ask you, are you satisfied with the rotation right now?? Is it division winning quality to you?? I'll hang up and listen to your answer

 

The rotational piece you want means trading Hiura. There really isn't anything else in the system worth enough. I do not want to trade Hiura. Basically you are asking for something that isn't possible.

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Let me ask you, are you satisfied with the rotation right now?? Is it division winning quality to you?? I'll hang up and listen to your answer

 

The rotational piece you want means trading Hiura. There really isn't anything else in the system worth enough. I do not want to trade Hiura. Basically you are asking for something that isn't possible.

 

I disagree 100%...No way any of those guys available should cost Hiura. Grisham?? Sure, totally fine with that plus other pieces. That's what I thought they would pull off, using him in a deal for one.

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So I guess the rotation "upgrades" are Jordan Lyles and Adrian Houser...Damn what a rotation..Houser, Lyles, Gio, Davies, Chase! That'll strike fear into all of their opponents, for sure! Hang the banner now!

 

That horse is still twitching. You keep on beating that thing until it's a pulp!

 

Let me ask you, are you satisfied with the rotation right now?? Is it division winning quality to you?? I'll hang up and listen to your answer

 

Dude, you keep saying you want a TOR arm but have you even proposed a plausible trade to obtain one? It's been made abundantly clear that the Mets are nuts and have an insane asking price on Thor. Who knows if Burnes, Hiura, and Turang would even get it done (I definitely would not be making that trade).

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So I guess the rotation "upgrades" are Jordan Lyles and Adrian Houser...Damn what a rotation..Houser, Lyles, Gio, Davies, Chase! That'll strike fear into all of their opponents, for sure! Hang the banner now!

 

How many times are you going to write nearly the exact same thing. Give it up man.

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I can believe he said it & I can believe people bought it before seeing the actual deal.

 

That is the whole point of playing people's emotions for internet clicks.

 

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There's not one "non-Hiura" prospect (I think Hiura's past that stage now) that would get ANY TOR starter, currently. The farm simply is not good enough, compared to others' and what they can offer. Any thought that we remotely have the pieces to make a "significant trade" is wish-fulfillment on the part of some here, rather than a failing of the Brewers FO. Edited by bigredrobbo
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After an initially very negative reaction, I'm starting to feel a bit better about it. Still not good, but better.

 

I think my initial reaction had much to do with overrating Dubon. He's a guy I've liked from the minute we traded for him, and who I've felt irrationally positive about. From everything I've seen and read he's not a very high ceiling guy, at best an average starter but more likely somewhere between utility man and low-end starter. Yet I've somehow had the feeling, or hope, he'd exceed that. The fact that I really don't believe in Arcia, and was hoping Dubon could be the solution probably clouded things further.

 

Pomeranz as a reliever has a 3.24 FIP / 2.83 ERA in 90-odd innings. Black will have 5 or 6 years of team control beyond this season, and has some serious strikeout numbers (13.5 K/9 in the majors, 16.8 in the minors) so there is a lot of upside there if he figures it out. Definitely a risky move though.

 

I think I'd feel much better about it if the SS situation looked better, as I think Dubon would've been worth auditioning even if we know he wouldn't be a slam dunk guarantee. But I can only imagine the front office didn't rate him all that highly, and perhaps didn't want to see him struggle in the majors? With how Arcia and Saladino have played they really must not have liked him considering he was never given a chance, and both those guys have options.

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I like Ray Black. I think they’re solid tools there to work with. But you have to really believe in those 5.1 innings out of the pen from Pomeranz. My problem is with Robert Murray. He really caused blue you know whats with his wording.

 

This...1000%. Don't use the term "significant" for a deal like this. "have an agreement" or anything resembling that is fine, but "significant" is reserved for players like Will Smith or Madison Baumgarner. Can't believe he said that.

 

When Murray used that term he obviously didn't know the players involved (or he would have named them). Blame the anonymous front office source who told him.

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