Dubon to SF for Pomeranz and Black

[Warning Track Power]

This deadline is shaping up to be one of the worst in memory. I would have rather the Brewers stand pat then make that deal.

 

Having said that, Murray calling it "significant" is a joke. Bad reporting in my opinion. Could have left it as "in agreement"

[folly412]

So...two months of a reliever that has supposedly been good out of the pen (but it could be a fluke), and an Alex Wilson clone who will clog a 40 man spot for Dubon? That's the steepest price for relief pitching anyone has paid yet. I'd rather have called up Devin Williams and Donnie Hart and rolled with it.

[MillerParkSouth]

Not a fan of this trade at all. Seems like a lot to give up for a rental, especially since it means we're 100% banking on Arcia now.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[lcbj68c]

Let's see how many #5 rotation types we can throw against the wall and hope 1 sticks.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

So...two months of a reliever that has supposedly been good out of the pen (but it could be a fluke), and an Alex Wilson clone who will clog a 40 man spot for Dubon? That's the steepest price for relief pitching anyone has paid yet. I'd rather have called up Devin Williams and Donnie Hart and rolled with it.

 

You let me know when Wilson touches 100 mph, as Black does regularly, and I'll take this seriously.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Without speaking to the additions of either Pomeranz or Black, I'll go on record as saying the Brewers will never regret trading away Dubon. I just don't see an effective major league bat there. He's a slap hitting version of Hernan Perez with less power. It's all upside with this trade if either Pomeranz or Black provide anything at all.

[wntrtxn21]

Has anyone looked at Black's K/9 numbers? Holy moly.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=black-000ray

 

Pomeranz has been K'ing a ton of dudes this year too. Been getting hit pretty hard though. Has given up a lot of homers.

 

Stearns must love those high FIP guys. He must think Hook can make them into something useful. Black, Pomeranz, Faria will fit right in to the mess that has been the Brewer pen this year. 3 bums who could easily end the year in AAA or DFA'd.

[tmwiese55]

Maybe MKE and the league don't value Dubon nearly what he is on this site, but man these guys seem like the type you can get for nothing, not using your closest/best prospect. That said, it's not like I think Dubon is ever star or big time player but he was going to play in the bigs in some fashion Edited July 31, 2019 by tmwiese55

[shanedog19]

This is why I wish we would have just fallen out of contention and became sellers so stuff like this didn't happen. This trade is awful.

[SRB]

Ray Black has huge upside as a backend reliever. Hader, Knebel, Wahl, Black, could be a bullpen of death with lockdown guys sporting 12+ K/9 next season (not even counting a Jeffress rebound or Peralta)

[ThisIsMyCrew]

So...two months of a reliever that has supposedly been good out of the pen (but it could be a fluke), and an Alex Wilson clone who will clog a 40 man spot for Dubon? That's the steepest price for relief pitching anyone has paid yet. I'd rather have called up Devin Williams and Donnie Hart and rolled with it.

 

You let me know when Wilson touches 100 mph, as Black does regularly, and I'll take this seriously.

 

Does black throw that hard? Know nothing about him.

[mtrebs]

Let's see how many #5 rotation types we can throw against the wall and hope 1 sticks.

 

Just like the approach of throwing three unproven starters out in the rotation. Not really a fan of Stearns assembling of the pitching staff.

Edited July 31, 2019 by mtrebs

[SeaBass]

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

Accurate review... brah

[Brewcrewin07]

LOL Sorry, but this deadline for the Crew has been a joke..no rotation help. Tanner Roark just went to the A's.

 

Are you suggesting Tanner Roark was the solution? He really isn't very good either.

 

No absolutely not, I just added that on to my post...but getting NO rotation help is an absolute Joke.

[folly412]

Tom

@Haudricourt

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Giants got a pretty good young shortstop in Dubon for two pitchers they likely are not going to miss.

[trwi7]

Ray Black has huge upside as a backend reliever. Hader, Knebel, Wahl, Black, could be a bullpen of death with lockdown guys sporting 12+ K/9 next season (not even counting a Jeffress rebound or Peralta)

 

Hard for me to say a 29 year old has huge upside as anything. He strikes out a lot of dudes, walks a lot of dudes and gives up a lot of homers. He's maybe a middle relief type guy.

[SRB]

Pomeranz career stats out of the bullpen: 92.1 IP, 2.83 ERA, 3.24 FIP, 9.6 K/9, 1.130 WHIP

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

LOL Sorry, but this deadline for the Crew has been a joke..no rotation help. Tanner Roark just went to the A's.

 

Are you suggesting Tanner Roark was the solution? He really isn't very good either.

 

No absolutely not, I just added that on to my post...but getting NO rotation help is an absolute Joke.

 

Still an hour and 20 minutes to go. Again ... hold tight.

[B-Train]

Just read an interesting article on Black. Hits 104 on the gun. Has one of the highest spin rates on his slider in MLB. Top 20 in MLB last season in exit velocity. Coming off 2 TJ’s. Control issues. Very volatile. Sounds like the trendy bullpen hard thrower type that needs to be taught how to locate.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Just read an interesting article on Black. Hits 104 on the gun. Has one of the highest spin rates on his slider in MLB. Top 20 in MLB last season in exit velocity. Coming off 2 TJ’s. Control issues. Very volatile. Sounds like the trendy bullpen hard thrower type that needs to be taught how to locate.

 

I like the upside, but would be much more excited about this move if DJ was doing the teaching.

[SRB]

Ray Black has huge upside as a backend reliever. Hader, Knebel, Wahl, Black, could be a bullpen of death with lockdown guys sporting 12+ K/9 next season (not even counting a Jeffress rebound or Peralta)

 

Hard for me to say a 29 year old has huge upside as anything. He strikes out a lot of dudes, walks a lot of dudes and gives up a lot of homers. He's maybe a middle relief type guy.

 

FWIW, he had a lot of buzz coming into this season. The stats back it up, Steamer for example has a rest-of-season projection of 3.01 ERA, 3.10 FIP, 13.3 K/9. Don't just look at his ERA in 25 career innings.

[buckybrewer232]

Ray Black has huge upside as a backend reliever. Hader, Knebel, Wahl, Black, could be a bullpen of death with lockdown guys sporting 12+ K/9 next season (not even counting a Jeffress rebound or Peralta)

 

Have the Brewers not learned from all of the struggles when the bullpen continually walks guys??

 

T Williams and J Barnes can have electric stuff too, but we've all seen that movie many times over...

[Brewcrewin07]

Shame on Robert Murray tweeting out they were in agreement on a SIGNIFICANT trade. That got everyone in a frenzy, and with that wording, rightly so.

[StCroixCtyBrewer]

This is the first time I’m really truly questioning the decision making of Stearns. Especially if they make Pomeranz a starter Edited July 31, 2019 by StCroixCtyBrewer