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2019-07-24: Reds (Sims) at Brewers (Chacín) [Brewers win, 5-4 -- Chacín leaves with rib discomfort; Braun and Hiura each hit a HR]

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Fear The Chorizo ACL Brewers

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This pitching coach stuff is pretty tired to be rehashed in every flipping Reds in-game thread...IMO it's much more likely that this year's decline in pitching #'s has much more to do with some of these arms getting extended beyond their comfort limit down the stretch last season and through a long playoff run than the name on the back of a pitching coach's jersey who's telling them to locate their pitches better.

 

Knebel's damaged UCL finally gives way in spring training 2019 after pitching with it for a few seasons - maybe that's a coincidence that it happened after he was pitching 1+ IP multiple days in a row from September and well into October last year...but I'm sure the extra use played a role.

 

Jeffress was ridden hard through the first 3/4 of the season, and it was obvious in crunch time that he was probably the least reliable pen arm - he showed up to spring training with arm fatigue and hasn't been close to the same pitcher he was during most of last year.

 

There were threads expressing concern with innings limits on guys like Peralta and even Burnes for a time last year, now we're suddenly shocked that they aren't instant Cy Young contenders this season given it's their first full MLB season?

 

Last year, guys like Taylor Williams and Burnes showed flashes, but were ultimately replaced by better relievers (Soria, Cedeno, eventually Woodruff and Burnes). Overall, the makeup of the innings load of the 2019 brewer pitching staff is much different than last season despite many of the same names being around because roles have been juggled so much. Junior Guerra was their best starter through the first ~4 months of 2018. Davies was largely an afterthought. Chacin was really good from mid-May through the postseason last year, but it also wound up being the most IP he had in his career for a season...which I think has impacted him this season.

 

The 2018 Brewers were able to lean on "bullpenning" down the stretch and in the postseason because they had a ton of quality late inning pen arms and quasi starters available once rosters expanded. We largely forget that around this time of year last season that bullpen was leaky at best as well. This year, the combination of injuries and role adjustments have actually led to a totally remade bullpen - I'd argue not having Hader in the same role he was last year to get 3-9 outs every appearance starting around inning #6 has severely hampered his impact and weakened the pen. Losing Knebel and having a diminished Jeffress left them no choice with the relievers they have in house.

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There was no reason for DJ to come back. The only thing that could happen is that he'd get exposed or lose credibility. Bolting when he did was 100% the right thing to do for him - cash in on what the bullpen did last year.

 

Exactly what I was trying to say, only phrased much better. ;)

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My 100% baseless guess was always that there was at minimum an unspoken feud brewing between among Counsell/DJ/Stearns - Counsell is the Chosen One and if guys want their coaching careers to develop there is nowhere to go when you reach the level DJ did. That combined with who is really calling the shots regarding the pitchers. It made perfect sense for him to leave.
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Would love to see Aguilar hugging teammates at some point in this game.
"This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
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I'm not going to say Hook is a good pitching coach but he had a hand in developing Woodruff, Burnes, and Peralta. Guys who at least garnered some prospect status and have had varying levels of MLB success. DJ was responsible for developing pitchers for the Cubs for a few years and I can't think of any pitcher of note that came out of their system.
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Cain stinks. Going to be a long contract.
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I'm not going to say Hook is a good pitching coach but he had a hand in developing Woodruff, Burnes, and Peralta. Guys who at least garnered some prospect status and have had varying levels of MLB success. DJ was responsible for developing pitchers for the Cubs for a few years and I can't think of any pitcher of note that came out of their system.

 

I think DJ was also good at recruiting at Vandy, which is pretty much any quality high school pitcher's first choice to go to college if they don't get drafted high enough as an 18 yr old - that's essentially where he really made his name as a pitching guru...but I'd argue it's easy to look good when you have 2-3 1st round arms on your collegiate staff every year.

 

I don't know what role a pitching coach has in game planning with the catcher/scouts on pitch sequencing or how hitters are going to be attacked - that also appears to be a weakness of this team, although it's really tough to tell at times when the pitchers miss location constantly.

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Would love to see Aguilar hugging teammates at some point in this game.

 

Walk off granny?

 

On a flight headed out of town to Tampa.

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So they let Chacin hit but he doesn’t start the inning. Head scratchers all year from this team.
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Brewers have one hit so far. Luckily it was a 2-run bomb or this game would be more pathetic.
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So they let Chacin hit but he doesn’t start the inning. Head scratchers all year from this team.

 

They let Claudio take as many warm-ups as he wanted, which means he was an injury replacement. Wonder if Chacin tweaked something during his AB?

 

Yeah, I must’ve missed it. Sitting in LF bleachers today.

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Tampa’s OF isn’t very good. Maybe they’d want Cain if we chipped in some money to roam CF for their great pitching staff.
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