2019-07-12: Giants (Anderson) at Brewers (Anderson) [Brewers lose, 10-7 in 10 innings -- Bullpen woes continue to start the 2nd half]

[OldSchoolSnapper]

If you're a wild card winner you can be a world series winner. It's baseball.

 

Personally don't think this team gets even close. They are gassed, with a bunch of mediocre horses fighting like hell, but they just aren't good enough. I don't think they'll win 80 games by the time fatigue sets in.

[PeaveyFury]

At best this team is a wild card game winner.

 

Probably so. They do have nearly three weeks to see where the cards fall (no pun intended), but they're likely going to have to decide whether pursuit of that ceiling is even realistic and worth emptying what's left of the farm, or whether reloading makes more sense.

[rondoman]

 

Damn. That's crazy.

[yourout]

Games like this really make you understand how important Knebel was to this team.

 

He was but there is just so much going wrong this year. Like everything besides Yelich and Moose. It's honestly a bit shocking they are still above .500. It feels like they should be a lot worse than that.

 

Considering their run differential is like minus 15 now it's amazing they're not in the cellar

 

On edit... It's now -20.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Games like this really make you understand how important Knebel was to this team.

 

He was but there is just so much going wrong this year. Like everything besides Yelich and Moose. It's honestly a bit shocking they are still above .500. It feels like they should be a lot worse than that.

 

This team was very good in April and May. They were underwhelming in June and have gone downhill even more in July. That obviously isn't a good trend.

[Brewcrewin07]

A lot of this is on Counsell as well...always pulling the starter so damn early...especially Chase...he worries too damn much about a guy facing a lineup for the third time...if a dude is rolling, he's rolling. Besides, can the starter going through a LU a 3rd time be any worse than sending it to the bullpen??

[yourout]

 

Damn. That's crazy.

 

I'm not on the twit. What is the jist of it.

[Bulldogboy]

If you're a wild card winner you can be a world series winner. It's baseball.

 

Personally don't think this team gets even close. They are gassed, with a bunch of mediocre horses fighting like hell, but they just aren't good enough. I don't think they'll win 80 games by the time fatigue sets in.

I was on the train of no playoffs this year for aheywhile. This team reminds me of the Roenicke one that fell completely apart in the second half and finished under 500. A couple more weeks but I think they win 78.

[mtrebs]

A lot of this is on Counsell as well...always pulling the starter so damn early...especially Chase...he worries too damn much about a guy facing a lineup for the third time...if a dude is rolling, he's rolling. Besides, can the starter going through a LU a 3rd time be any worse than sending it to the bullpen??

 

Not this bullpen.

[mtsportsfan]

Can't wait for a automated strike zone. They don't give a albers a close pitch on 3-2 count . Who knows how that could change the way he pitches to the next batter. Lol. And Cain get called out on a close pitch, it was a ball according to foxtrac or whatever it is. Don't know if it would matter but umpiring sucks.

[MoreTrife]

I still say the single biggest mistake made in the last 3 years was letting DJ go and replacing him with a triple A guy with no big league experience.

 

Totally agree. I think I was the first post or one of the first who was super bummed he was leaving. Just got results from mediocrity.

[rondoman]

 

Damn. That's crazy.

 

I'm not on the twit. What is the jist of it.

 

Im not either. Just click it.

[Bulldogboy]

 

Damn. That's crazy.

Travis Shaw. About right.

[Brewcrewin07]

Brewcrewin07, I honestly don't know what you are looking for them to do. They are not one big trade away from contention. Stearns cannot wave a magic wand and fix every problem on this team. They could trade every useful prospect and still wouldn't have nearly as good of a team as the Dodgers. They cannot add much for payroll. They simply aren't in a great position to contend.

 

They can add payroll, don't believe that freaking fallacy...Get a TOR arm, a couple of lights out bullpen arms and how different does this team suddenly look??

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't buy into the DJ thing. Letting Miley walk for $4.5 million blew my mind at the time and now. I don't know what the hell he was thinking.

[mtrebs]

 

Damn. That's crazy.

Travis Shaw. About right.

 

The grand slam was to Posey and it was only his 4th HR on the season. It seems like we’ve been giving up a lot of home runs to guys that don’t hit a lot of home runs lately.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Well, Taylor Williams just K'd Brett Phillips to get the save for the Missions ... so there's that.

 

I do wonder who they are going to grab tomorrow when they inevitably send Dubon down. It would be nice if they sent Saladino down, but I think Counsell likes having that versatile crappy vet he can throw in anywhere.

[adambr2]

I don't buy into the DJ thing. Letting Miley walk for $4.5 million blew my mind at the time and now. I don't know what the hell he was thinking.

 

One decent starter missing did not cause the rest of the pitching staff to collapse. Burnes having a 8+ ERA and Barnes and Williams being gas cans this year has nothing to do with Miley.

 

Miley wasn't even pitching for the first half of last season.

[BruisedCrew]

This team is not that bad. Its been a second half team the last 2 years, a pen arm or two acquired at the deadline, a couple of call-ups, and we’re in business.

 

Not that it really matters, because each year’s team is different, but the Brewers weren’t a second half team two years ago. At the break they were 10 games over .500 and had a 5.5 game lead in the division. But they collapsed right after, fell all the way to .500, and rebounded enough to get close to the second wild card spot.

 

And this year’s team isn’t going to be rescued by anyone in their minor league system or one or two of the types of bullpen arms that would be available.

[Mudville9]

The crazy thing that I can't get over is that we are still only 1.5 games out. The way we've been playing lately it feels more like we should be 5-7 out. Heck we are only half a game out the WC. It will be interesting to see where we are in two weeks. I could see us being sellers if this continues, but we aren't going to sell any big pieces like Hader. It will be a bit of a salary dump for lottery tickets and try again next year. What a frustrating season to this point.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't buy into the DJ thing. Letting Miley walk for $4.5 million blew my mind at the time and now. I don't know what the hell he was thinking.

 

One decent starter missing did not cause the rest of the pitching staff to collapse. Burnes having a 8+ ERA and Barnes and Williams being gas cans this year has nothing to do with Miley.

 

Miley wasn't even pitching for the first half of last season.

 

Literally has nothing to do with what I said nor did I insinuate any of those things.

 

I am simply saying not bringing him back was stupid. It was stupid. A lot of people thought it was stupid, even at the time it was not done. I've said, one page ago, that this team has far more problems than would be fixed by signing one guy or doing one trade. But the Miley thing was still stupid.

[adambr2]

Brewcrewin07, I honestly don't know what you are looking for them to do. They are not one big trade away from contention. Stearns cannot wave a magic wand and fix every problem on this team. They could trade every useful prospect and still wouldn't have nearly as good of a team as the Dodgers. They cannot add much for payroll. They simply aren't in a great position to contend.

 

They can add payroll, don't believe that freaking fallacy...Get a TOR arm, a couple of lights out bullpen arms and how different does this team suddenly look??

 

How the heck are you going to add an ace pitcher and two lights out relievers with our limited trade capital competing with teams with great farm systems?

 

What TOR pitcher is even available?

[Brew crew 92]

This team is not that bad. Its been a second half team the last 2 years, a pen arm or two acquired at the deadline, a couple of call-ups, and we’re in business.

 

Not that it really matters, because each year’s team is different, but the Brewers weren’t a second half team two years ago. At the break they were 10 games over .500 and had a 5.5 game lead in the division. But they collapsed right after, fell all the way to .500, and rebounded enough to get close to the second wild card spot.

 

And this year’s team isn’t going to be rescued by anyone in their minor league system or one or two of the types of bullpen arms that would be available.

 

Ok, a great September team. And that’s your opinion about the farm and What Stearns can accomplish at the deadline. I happen to disagree. We have a couple strong pen arms that will be called up at some point, and I believe Stearns acquires a pen arm that helps our bullpen .like swarzak and soria helped our pen the last two years.

[82brewcrew82]

Yeah, the worst thing you can be is a middling team. Not good enough to be a serious contender but not bad enough to be sellers.

At the risk of triggering the delicate sensibilities of certain posters on this forum, this is exactly what they are and have been for quite some time now.

[adambr2]

I don't buy into the DJ thing. Letting Miley walk for $4.5 million blew my mind at the time and now. I don't know what the hell he was thinking.

 

One decent starter missing did not cause the rest of the pitching staff to collapse. Burnes having a 8+ ERA and Barnes and Williams being gas cans this year has nothing to do with Miley.

 

Miley wasn't even pitching for the first half of last season.

 

Literally has nothing to do with what I said nor did I insinuate any of those things.

 

I am simply saying not bringing him back was stupid. It was stupid. A lot of people thought it was stupid, even at the time it was not done. I've said, one page ago, that this team has far more problems than would be fixed by signing one guy or doing one trade. But the Miley thing was still stupid.

 

I wanted Miley back. But we don't know even know if he wanted to come back for the same deal as he got from Houston.

 

FWIW, his peripherals are not all that attractive. His BABIP is unsustainably low, his strand rate is unsustainably high. His FIP and xFIP are both 4.33, about league average. He plays in front of an elite defense-- playing in front of our mediocre defense, I'm not sure how attractive his numbers would really be.

 

Would he be helpful, yeah probably, just because our pitching staff is that bad, but I doubt he moves the needle as much as his ERA in Houston seems to indicate.