2019-07-06: Brewers (Houser) at Pirates (Agrazal) [Brewers lose, 12-2 -- Arcia injured after collision w/ Hiura]

[PeaveyFury]

The only poster that I’ve seen on this board that talks about the lack of payroll is me. Some talk about Stearns sitting on his butt, you know, blame Stearns. Not me, I’m the lone voice here that puts the blame where it belongs > Attanasio.

 

We've won the 8th most games in MLB since Attanasio hired Stearns.

 

I think they share the "blame" for that in some proportion (along with Counsell & the players themselves & the rest of the field staff & front office).

 

The Stearns hiring was brilliant on Attanasio’s part. He hired a boy genius that re-built this team with help from Melvin’s all time record hader houser Phillips Santana Trade, among other moves, in near record time. Avoiding a tank that would cost the team lots of revenue. My guess is Stearns has made Attanasio over 150 million in the last 3 years if playoff revenue is included.

 

2.5-3 million fans year after year, 20-60 million in profits every year. All we are is a fan, that continues to overperform their market size to the extreme. It’s laughable how much this fan base supports this team, and, that’s it’s NOT reciprocated with a payroll deserving of said fan. 127 million is embarrassing.

 

We’ve been through the financial discussions with you time and time again, and you just won’t acknowledge that it’s not as simple as you insist that it is.

[treego14]

The only poster that I’ve seen on this board that talks about the lack of payroll is me. Some talk about Stearns sitting on his butt, you know, blame Stearns. Not me, I’m the lone voice here that puts the blame where it belongs > Attanasio.

 

We've won the 8th most games in MLB since Attanasio hired Stearns.

 

I think they share the "blame" for that in some proportion (along with Counsell & the players themselves & the rest of the field staff & front office).

 

The Stearns hiring was brilliant on Attanasio’s part. He hired a boy genius that re-built this team with help from Melvin’s all time record hader houser Phillips Santana Trade, among other moves, in near record time. Avoiding a tank that would cost the team lots of revenue. My guess is Stearns has made Attanasio over 150 million in the last 3 years if playoff revenue is included.

 

2.5-3 million fans year after year, 20-60 million in profits every year. All we are is a fan, that continues to overperform their market size to the extreme. It’s laughable how much this fan base supports this team, and, that’s it’s NOT reciprocated with a payroll deserving of said fan. 127 million is embarrassing.

 

I believe this supports your cause/the fans cause quite a bit! Check out this:

[tomwopat]

 

We've won the 8th most games in MLB since Attanasio hired Stearns.

 

I think they share the "blame" for that in some proportion (along with Counsell & the players themselves & the rest of the field staff & front office).

 

The Stearns hiring was brilliant on Attanasio’s part. He hired a boy genius that re-built this team with help from Melvin’s all time record hader houser Phillips Santana Trade, among other moves, in near record time. Avoiding a tank that would cost the team lots of revenue. My guess is Stearns has made Attanasio over 150 million in the last 3 years if playoff revenue is included.

 

2.5-3 million fans year after year, 20-60 million in profits every year. All we are is a fan, that continues to overperform their market size to the extreme. It’s laughable how much this fan base supports this team, and, that’s it’s NOT reciprocated with a payroll deserving of said fan. 127 million is embarrassing.

 

I believe this supports your cause/the fans cause quite a bit! Check out this:

 

Now show us the numbers of how much profit the clubs make per average fan. And how many dollars per year each club makes on advertising, corporate sponsorships, suites, parking, television rights, merchandising, etc.

 

Making the Brewers competitive has cashed in the biggest opportunity for increasing the value of the franchise: raising gate receipts, but significantly improving the profit on the other revenue streams is a much tougher endeavor takes years of effort to deliver results on. And the simple stark reality is that the size and wealth of their market isn't comparable to the clubs in the next-higher-tier of payroll.

[PinaMadness]

The Stearns mantra of pitching depth is a failure. If you have alot of scrubs and AAAA pitching you don't have enough. Go get somebody anybody before they come back from the break. This team needs a spark.

Imagine this being a GM's philosophy to building a team.

Imagine the Brewers actually having good pitching.

Imagine thinking it's as easy as just signing/trading for somebody, anybody. As if it's guaranteed to pay off. Ask the Mets and Phillies how breaking the bank for players is working out for them.

[willie key]

The good news. By pulling out the “Salvage Game” yesterday, the Brewers won’t go into the break with a 6 game losing streak.

 

Salvage game is definitely a finalist for the name of the 2019 brewers season dvd

If you were to summarize the Brewers 2019 season with just one word, that word would be salvage.

 

Or if you made a 30 for 30 documentary

 

“What would you do if you played a three game series and lost the first two games......

 

Salvage Game. The Story of 2019 Baseball in Wisconsin”

[treego14]

@ tomwopat

 

And this goes to show what I've said a lot in this thread -- the MLB is UNFAIR -- even with the most loyal fan base theoretically, our owners/team still cannot make enough money to truly compete for available free agents nor in retaining stars!!!

 

Boo, MLB!

 

Small market fan bases should go on strike from the MLB -- bring the MLB to its knees until we have reform and fairness.

 

Small-market teams are glorified minor-league-teams in some respects for the big-market, deep-pocket teams!

 

Boo, MLB!

[pacopete4]

There’s been some IGT’s that are bad but this one may take the cake.

[treego14]

There’s been some IGT’s that are bad but this one may take the cake.

Yep, that is what big-market teams do ... they take your stars because you cannot afford them and then come to your town to beat you.

 

They take your cake and eat it, too!

 

Boo, MLB!

 

Fix this!

 

We couldn't afford Manny Machado last season, and he beat our brains out ... remember that?

 

We had to settle for Schoop ... remember that?

 

Go Brewers! Defy the odds! Play with a chip on your shoulder!!!!!

[sveumrules]

We couldn't afford Manny Machado last season, and he beat our brains out ... remember that?

 

What I remember is the Dodgers (& likely the Brewers & other interested teams) discussing trade scenarios with the Orioles leading up to the deadline.

 

Based on Machado being traded to Los Angeles it would seem as though Baltimore thought they offered the best prospects of the interested clubs.

 

The amateur market (where the prospects came from) already is capped with controlled spending.

 

I guess what I am struggling to understand is how not having a cap on MLB salaries prevented us from trading prospects for Manny Machado?

[clancyphile]

We couldn't afford Manny Machado last season, and he beat our brains out ... remember that?

 

What I remember is the Dodgers (& likely the Brewers & other interested teams) discussing trade scenarios with the Orioles leading up to the deadline.

 

Based on Machado being traded to Los Angeles it would seem as though Baltimore thought they offered the best prospects of the interested clubs.

 

The amateur market (where the prospects came from) already is capped with controlled spending.

 

I guess what I am struggling to understand is how not having a cap on MLB salaries prevented us from trading prospects for Manny Machado?

 

Or maybe the prospect package Baltimore wanted for Machado was too rich for the Crew, given that Machado was a short-term rental.

 

Three months of Machado would not have been worth a package that would have started at Burnes and Hiura.

[Brew crew 92]

We couldn't afford Manny Machado last season, and he beat our brains out ... remember that?

 

What I remember is the Dodgers (& likely the Brewers & other interested teams) discussing trade scenarios with the Orioles leading up to the deadline.

 

Based on Machado being traded to Los Angeles it would seem as though Baltimore thought they offered the best prospects of the interested clubs.

 

The amateur market (where the prospects came from) already is capped with controlled spending.

 

I guess what I am struggling to understand is how not having a cap on MLB salaries prevented us from trading prospects for Manny Machado?

 

Amateur spending on players is capped, yes, but, teams can spend as much as they want on scouting, logistics, etc. again, massive advantage to the large markets, able to scout many more players.

[Brew crew 92]

It’s not that simple?

 

What have I said that you KNOW is incorrect?

 

All anyone has done here is say it’s not that simple or how do you know this or show us the info.

 

I’ve shown the info over the last 5 months on this site and it just gets ignored. But I still get hammered. I started out as the lone voice on this, now, hopefully there’s a few that have opened their minds to the reality of the profits this team makes, year after year.

 

Profits, not the value of the franchise. If we talk about the value of the franchise it really gets all the more ridiculous. 152 million more in the last 15 months. 152 million, and people are in awe(Haudricourt)of a 127 million payroll, with another probable profit north of 30 million.

 

While Stearns has to bottom feed, waiver wire, yes sign > Grandal, but that money just got the payroll up to where the reds are at. The reds, a team with LESS REVENUE than the brewers!

 

I’m NOT suggesting Attanasio take a loss, even for just one year, I’m saying, for one year or two years, With a team recognized as a real contender, to payroll this team to CLOSE to breakeven. That could be 155-165, and trust Stearns to spend wisely, which we all know he will do, increasing the odds of a deep playoff run, which in turn, makes a profit again, builds the brand, adds value to the franchise.

 

Now why is it not this simple?

What is wrong with this scenario?

How many more years do we have to wait to win a series? It’s been 50.

Why should the best fans( Per capita )in baseball have a payroll not reflective of its fans?

 

If Bud selig still owned this team, what would he do?

 

I think we know the answer.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

It’s not that simple?

 

What have I said that you KNOW is incorrect?

 

All anyone has done here is say it’s not that simple or how do you know this or show us the info.

 

I’ve shown the info over the last 5 months on this site and it just gets ignored. But I still get hammered. I started out as the lone voice on this, now, hopefully there’s a few that have opened their minds to the reality of the profits this team makes, year after year.

 

Profits, not the value of the franchise. If we talk about the value of the franchise it really gets all the more ridiculous. 152 million more in the last 15 months. 152 million, and people are in awe(Haudricourt)of a 127 million payroll, with another probable profit north of 30 million.

 

While Stearns has to bottom feed, waiver wire, yes sign > Grandal, but that money just got the payroll up to where the reds are at. The reds, a team with LESS REVENUE than the brewers!

 

I’m NOT suggesting Attanasio take a loss, even for just one year, I’m saying, for one year or two years, With a team recognized as a real contender, to payroll this team to CLOSE to breakeven. That could be 155-165, and trust Stearns to spend wisely, which we all know he will do, increasing the odds of a deep playoff run, which in turn, makes a profit again, builds the brand, adds value to the franchise.

 

Now why is it not this simple?

What is wrong with this scenario?

How many more years do we have to wait to win a series? It’s been 50.

Why should the best fans( Per capita )in baseball have a payroll not reflective of its fans?

 

If Bud selig still owned this team, what would he do?

 

I think we know the answer.

 

You've been asked repeatedly to back up your claims. Yet all you do is continue to spout your claims over and over, almost as if you believe that if you say it enough times, it's a fact. You have NEVER presented any proof, other than saying "I've done my research". That is why no one is taking you seriously. You, like everyone else, have absolutely no clue what the Brewers revenue vs. expense numbers look like. We can make guesstimates, but as a privately held company, they aren't going to release those numbers, so it is simply a guess. The fact of the matter is billionaires don't buy major league baseball teams as a money-making venture. The investment is more for fun, and because they are baseball fans.

[xisxisxis]

You've been asked repeatedly to back up your claims. Yet all you do is continue to spout your claims over and over, almost as if you believe that if you say it enough times, it's a fact. You have NEVER presented any proof, other than saying "I've done my research". That is why no one is taking you seriously. You, like everyone else, have absolutely no clue what the Brewers revenue vs. expense numbers look like. We can make guesstimates, but as a privately held company, they aren't going to release those numbers, so it is simply a guess. The fact of the matter is billionaires don't buy major league baseball teams as a money-making venture. The investment is more for fun, and because they are baseball fans.

You spend you’re entire post arguing that we won’t know the actual revenue & expenses because the team is privately owned and yet you end it with a conclusion (“The fact of the matter”), which can only be made if you know the exact numbers. So is it a fact when you make it up and not when Brew Crew 92 makes it up? Or is it a fact when it’s positive for the Brewers and Attanasio/ and just made up when it’s negative?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

You've been asked repeatedly to back up your claims. Yet all you do is continue to spout your claims over and over, almost as if you believe that if you say it enough times, it's a fact. You have NEVER presented any proof, other than saying "I've done my research". That is why no one is taking you seriously. You, like everyone else, have absolutely no clue what the Brewers revenue vs. expense numbers look like. We can make guesstimates, but as a privately held company, they aren't going to release those numbers, so it is simply a guess. The fact of the matter is billionaires don't buy major league baseball teams as a money-making venture. The investment is more for fun, and because they are baseball fans.

You spend you’re entire post arguing that we won’t know the actual revenue & expenses because the team is privately owned and yet you end it with a conclusion (“The fact of the matter”), which can only be made if you know the exact numbers. So is it a fact when you make it up or when Brew Crew 92 makes it up? Or is it a fact when it’s positive for the Brewers and Attanasio/ and just made up when it’s negative?

 

Sorry ... I guess I misspoke. It can be assumed that people don't buy MLB teams as a money making venture. Perhaps that is wrong, and capitalists are lining up to buy MLB teams. I mean I just don't know.

 

That doesn't change the overall theme of my post, which is that BC92 has been asked by a lot of people for backup to support his claims.

[Brew crew 92]

It’s not that simple?

 

What have I said that you KNOW is incorrect?

 

All anyone has done here is say it’s not that simple or how do you know this or show us the info.

 

I’ve shown the info over the last 5 months on this site and it just gets ignored. But I still get hammered. I started out as the lone voice on this, now, hopefully there’s a few that have opened their minds to the reality of the profits this team makes, year after year.

 

Profits, not the value of the franchise. If we talk about the value of the franchise it really gets all the more ridiculous. 152 million more in the last 15 months. 152 million, and people are in awe(Haudricourt)of a 127 million payroll, with another probable profit north of 30 million.

 

While Stearns has to bottom feed, waiver wire, yes sign > Grandal, but that money just got the payroll up to where the reds are at. The reds, a team with LESS REVENUE than the brewers!

 

I’m NOT suggesting Attanasio take a loss, even for just one year, I’m saying, for one year or two years, With a team recognized as a real contender, to payroll this team to CLOSE to breakeven. That could be 155-165, and trust Stearns to spend wisely, which we all know he will do, increasing the odds of a deep playoff run, which in turn, makes a profit again, builds the brand, adds value to the franchise.

 

Now why is it not this simple?

What is wrong with this scenario?

How many more years do we have to wait to win a series? It’s been 50.

Why should the best fans( Per capita )in baseball have a payroll not reflective of its fans?

 

If Bud selig still owned this team, what would he do?

 

I think we know the answer.

 

You've been asked repeatedly to back up your claims. Yet all you do is continue to spout your claims over and over, almost as if you believe that if you say it enough times, it's a fact. You have NEVER presented any proof, other than saying "I've done my research". That is why no one is taking you seriously. You, like everyone else, have absolutely no clue what the Brewers revenue vs. expense numbers look like. We can make guesstimates, but as a privately held company, they aren't going to release those numbers, so it is simply a guess. The fact of the matter is billionaires don't buy major league baseball teams as a money-making venture. The investment is more for fun, and because they are baseball fans.

 

I have printed information in numerous threads, you just chose to ignore them, or haven’t seen them. It’s the easy fall to statement, we don’t know the expenses, dah. But if the brewers are in the top 5 of ALL TEAMS in gross profit, you can be sure they are making a healthy profit.

 

The one team who have had to spill the most information, the Braves, made over 100 million, with a terrible tv deal.

 

How can you say billionaire’s don’t buy teams to make money?

 

20(est)million times 15 = 300 million of which 38% is Attanasio’s = 114(est)million in profits

 

Team’s value > 1.2 billion -225 million(what he paid)= 975 million times 38 % = 371 million

 

371 + 114(est) = 485 million in 15 years = Attanasio’s

 

He’s not a billionaire yet, but he’s getting there.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

The team increasing in perceived value doesn't equal profits though. He'd have to sell his stake to realize that.

[xisxisxis]

That doesn't change the overall theme of my post, which is that BC92 has been asked by a lot of people for backup to support his claims.

Yes he does seem to make wild claims ALL THE TIME... In every post in every thread... every day.... multiple times a day... multiple times a post...

[PeaveyFury]

It’s not that simple?

 

What have I said that you KNOW is incorrect?

 

 

Come on, man. Making the 'I can state whatever I want because YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE it's wrong case is weak. What I DO know is that you've historically demonstrated a lack of understanding about how corporate finance works. That's not a personal dig, it's just that you can't go around blasting a point at full volume when you simply don't have all the facts. Sure, tout your opinion that they could support a $165 million payroll. Just don't assume or argue anything that suggests you're certainly right, or that the other side is certainly wrong.

[Pugger]

Houser has seen his ERA balloon from 2.27 to 4.08 since being pulled from the pen to be put in the rotation.

 

I pray he is back in the pen after the all star break.

[Pugger]

 

No, but I will no longer go to games(cancel season tickets) and will make sure I let Mark A know how I feel. Enough of this panzy GM stuff. be more like Doug Melvin.

 

I thought people were sick of Melvin and welcomed this change?

[Pugger]

Leadoff double is an automatic zero run inning for this team

 

This tendency for us to not be able to score most of the time without a HR is so damn frustrating to watch!

[Pugger]

Hiura is on everything tonight ... no results to show for it, sadly, though.

 

Gamel ... ugghh ... I wish we had Domingo!

 

Not me. Domingo isn't a decent outfielder.

[Pugger]

One team has gotten key 2 out hits tonight to drive in runs......one has failed in numerous attempts ......

 

Solo homers aren't going to win many games.

 

Until this team figures out how to play small ball and hit homers they are going to struggle scoring runs.

[Pugger]

Imagine the Brewers actually having good pitching.

 

Last night's blowout aside I don't think pitching is our biggest issue right now. Our anemic offense is a bigger concern lately. If we fall behind by more than 2 runs it feels like 3 times as much.